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RE: "Racially Charged Doll Removed From Home" - 9/8/2008 1:23:48 PM
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cow451
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Actually I would have found it offensive, but I would have rather it been left alone. It wasn't a threat to my or my child's safety, or a public hazard. Just some idiot showing the world that he is an idiot. Better to KNOW where those that have these views live that to be oblivious to the fact that these people live in neighborhoods like yours and mine.
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But that's the thing. If someone hung a racially hateful object in their yard, it'd be threatening to me (depending on what it was). And there have been cases where objects like that have been put out, then a hate crime followed. (Happened to a cousin of mine, unfortunately.)
The neighbors admitted being afraid, which was part of the purpose. Fortunately this slime is not the property owner. Freedom of expression is not unlimited. In this case the landlord provided the limiting.
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RE: "Racially Charged Doll Removed From Home" - 9/8/2008 2:57:23 PM
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From the article linked in the OP:quote:
The law can’t stop Foote from displaying the controversial doll, but his landlord could.
After hearing that KETV NewsWatch 7 was investigating the incident, landlord Mike Limmer took the doll down.
Thank goodness for the Landlord.
I agree with you on this one. While this moron may have the First Amendment right to prove he's brain dead that doesn't mean the Landlord has to allow it on his property
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RE: "Racially Charged Doll Removed From Home" - 9/8/2008 3:02:36 PM
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rhippie
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Would we be defending the tenets of free speech if:
Instead of hanging a black doll on a cross, this man had hung a figure of Jesus from a noose?
Instead of a hanging black doll on a cross, this man hung an effigy representing followers of Jesus?
Instead of displaying a confederate flag, this man had hung a banner that said "Death to Christians"?
Instead of naming his dog Hitler, this man had named the dog "Lucifer"?
Instead of his current ink, his tattoo said "Satanic Pride, World Justice"?
Instead of this guy, we were talking about Andres Serrano? (He's the fellow who submerged a crucifix in a glass of urine and called it "art".)
As offensive as that would be I must answer "Yes" to all of these although in the case of Serrano since it was "public" money then the "public" has a right not to fund such garbage. If you believe in the First Amendment and the rights of free speech how could you answer otherwise?
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RE: "Racially Charged Doll Removed From Home" - 9/8/2008 3:05:43 PM
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rhippie
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Actually I would have found it offensive, but I would have rather it been left alone. It wasn't a threat to my or my child's safety, or a public hazard. Just some idiot showing the world that he is an idiot. Better to KNOW where those that have these views live that to be oblivious to the fact that these people live in neighborhoods like yours and mine.
Blessings,
Garsy
But that's the thing. If someone hung a racially hateful object in their yard, it'd be threatening to me (depending on what it was). And there have been cases where objects like that have been put out, then a hate crime followed. (Happened to a cousin of mine, unfortunately.)
And you have absolute proof that it was directly related to such an offensive item or is it just supposition on your part?
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RE: "Racially Charged Doll Removed From Home" - 9/8/2008 3:24:19 PM
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I guess what I'm saying is that - I would rather know where the people are that hate me and mine for whatever reason are then to have them living in obscurity right next door. Removing an object is not going to remove the threat. The person that would carry through with the threat is STILL there. Removing the object is not going to actually improve this guys attitude nor is it going to make anyone in the neighborhood any safer. I mean who's to say that this man that displayed this piece of garbage still won't follow up with a hate crime of some sort. With that piece displayed on his home at least his neighbors would have an idea of who their children need to stay away from and who is capable of vile and horrible things. Yes I would still be offended and possibly threatened by an object that is sitting in someones house or yard but the real threat is not going to be removed.
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RE: "Racially Charged Doll Removed From Home" - 9/8/2008 3:24:25 PM
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No supposition. It's already been proven (happened a while ago), but I'm not sure what punishment these people got. My cousin and family have moved since then though. There's a town here where that happens quite a bit, and it's known for it. No black people will move there unless they are just ignorant of the fact. We won't even stop there if we are coming into town from a trip. I'm not sure if his town was that way, but that's what came to mind.
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RE: "Racially Charged Doll Removed From Home" - 9/9/2008 11:34:40 AM
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I must apologize. I have not read the entire thread. But from what I did read, this stood out.
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Why must racists use a cross?!
Because they've bought into the lies of the father of lies.
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Would we be defending the tenets of free speech if:
Instead of hanging a black doll on a cross, this man had hung a figure of Jesus from a noose?
Instead of a hanging black doll on a cross, this man hung an effigy representing followers of Jesus?
Instead of displaying a confederate flag, this man had hung a banner that said "Death to Christians"?
Instead of naming his dog Hitler, this man had named the dog "Lucifer"?
Instead of his current ink, his tattoo said "Satanic Pride, World Justice"?
Instead of this guy, we were talking about Andres Serrano? (He's the fellow who submerged a crucifix in a glass of urine and called it "art".) Only speaking for myself, what other people do in the name of free speech doesn't bother me either. If this man had done any of those things, I'd still fight for his freedom of speech because if he loses his, I lose mine. And I would want to tell this man about Jesus.
Remember this. The Constitution does not protect us from being offended, nor is it our right to not be offended. Heck, some entertainers thrive on offending people. That's how they get press.
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RE: "Racially Charged Doll Removed From Home" - 9/9/2008 1:45:34 PM
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Remember this. The Constitution does not protect us from being offended, nor is it our right to not be offended. Heck, some entertainers thrive on offending people. That's how they get press.
In most cases I would agree. But in this particular case, the landlord has the right to remove whatever he believes is inappropriate. As the property owner this is HIS right.
Remember, the Constitution also protects the rights of property owners.
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RE: "Racially Charged Doll Removed From Home" - 9/9/2008 1:46:59 PM
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armydude
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Remember this. The Constitution does not protect us from being offended, nor is it our right to not be offended. Heck, some entertainers thrive on offending people. That's how they get press.
In most cases I would agree. But in this particular case, the landlord has the right to remove whatever he believes is inappropriate. As the property owner this is HIS right.
Remember, the Constitution also protects the rights of property owners.
(Not arguing)
Where? Can you point that out please? One of my classes is in Business Law, so I'll ask my instructor tomorrow.
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