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RE: Winchester Outpouring-here we go again - 9/9/2008 9:56:09 AM
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so are we going to focus on looking for bad fruit or on good fruit?
Do you look for good spiritual fruit from occult meetings? Or Mormon meetings?
I look for GOD and HIS Presence Everywhere.....
So you would worship and pray alongside occult members and Jehovah Witnesses?
yes I would be worshiping the Most HIGH GOD the ONLY ONE TRUE GOD ...what do you think I am doing when I am in the mall, waiting in line, grocery shopping....worshiping and talking to GOD...HE is stronger and mightier than the enemy and the false teachings...I am constanting talking to HIM asking HIM is this truth? or error? I may not know the scripture to back all things up but when it is error HE shows me...then later I am shown the scripture to back up what I have heard. the Spirit of GOD lives in me so where ever I go HE is there...
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RE: Winchester Outpouring-here we go again - 9/9/2008 10:01:47 AM
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yes I would be worshiping the Most HIGH GOD the ONLY ONE TRUE GOD
You're missing the point of my question. Please allow me to clarify: Would you stand with a Mormon in prayer as he prays to a false god that does not exist? Would you join hands with a Jehovah's Witness and agree with him when he speaks about a Jesus that does not exist?
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...what do you think I am doing when I am in the mall, waiting in line, grocery shopping....worshiping and talking to GOD...HE is stronger and mightier than the enemy and the false teachings...I am constanting talking to HIM asking HIM is this truth? or error? I may not know the scripture to back all things up but when it is error HE shows me...then later I am shown the scripture to back up what I have heard. the Spirit of GOD lives in me so where ever I go HE is there...
That's great, but not what I was inferring.
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RE: Winchester Outpouring-here we go again - 9/9/2008 10:55:47 AM
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To emerging and teclils,
First and foremost good morning (it's 10:29am on the East Coast) and God bless.
The fact of the matter is you two seem to be misunderstanding something for some reason. No one in this thread is saying that God is not everywhere at once. However that doesn't mean you can go and sit under teaching from LDS, Christian Science, JWs, because God is there and I can worship Him wherever I am. That is certainly true, that you can worship Him in anyplace buy that doesn't warrant worshiping Him in everyplace. A Christian shouldn't come together in agreement about things of God with anyone that teaches a different God unless unless they are bring said person to correction.
I'm sure you wouldn't say I can worship the Most High at a strip club because I can worship God wherever I am.
Now when we as fellow Christian know something is deathly wrong with ______________ teaching we need to warn people. Again and I can't stress this enough, we here aren't talking about differences such as baptism by sprinkling or full immersion in water; that is one thing. However when people sit under teaching that says Jesus went to hell, got tortured by demons, fought Satan for the keys of life and death and became the first born-again man do we just sit back warning no one? How about when they punch/kick people in the name of healing and say it's of God? How about when they prophecy and have to approximate the date, "It will be around 1995 - 2010 such and such will happen?"
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RE: Winchester Outpouring-here we go again - 9/9/2008 2:27:21 PM
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Can someone explain to me the importance of gold teeth? I am having some difficulty understanding how God would chose to make that a priority as far as miracles go, when there are so many people in need of salvation, healing, shelter, and food.
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RE: Winchester Outpouring-here we go again - 9/9/2008 2:54:34 PM
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To emerging and teclils,
First and foremost good morning (it's 10:29am on the East Coast) and God bless.
The fact of the matter is you two seem to be misunderstanding something for some reason. No one in this thread is saying that God is not everywhere at once. However that doesn't mean you can go and sit under teaching from LDS, Christian Science, JWs, because God is there and I can worship Him wherever I am. That is certainly true, that you can worship Him in anyplace buy that doesn't warrant worshiping Him in everyplace. A Christian shouldn't come together in agreement about things of God with anyone that teaches a different God unless unless they are bring said person to correction.
I'm sure you wouldn't say I can worship the Most High at a strip club because I can worship God wherever I am.
Now when we as fellow Christian know something is deathly wrong with ______________ teaching we need to warn people. Again and I can't stress this enough, we here aren't talking about differences such as baptism by sprinkling or full immersion in water; that is one thing. However when people sit under teaching that says Jesus went to hell, got tortured by demons, fought Satan for the keys of life and death and became the first born-again man do we just sit back warning no one? How about when they punch/kick people in the name of healing and say it's of God? How about when they prophecy and have to approximate the date, "It will be around 1995 - 2010 such and such will happen?"
I have sit in meetings like these and NEVER heard these teachings....
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RE: Winchester Outpouring-here we go again - 9/9/2008 2:56:37 PM
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I have sit in meetings like these and NEVER heard these teachings....
It has been taught by Joel Osteen, Joyce Meyer, Jesse Duplantis, Paul Avanzini, TD Jakes, Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, Creflo Dollar, Paula White, etc etc..
Joyce Meyers goes as far to say that if you do not believe that about Jesus that you're not saved.
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RE: Winchester Outpouring-here we go again - 9/9/2008 3:29:22 PM
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really?...never heard it
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RE: Winchester Outpouring-here we go again - 9/9/2008 3:35:55 PM
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Here's the ultimate seeker friendly church.
Remember, we have no politically correct right to make judgments.
The "ME" Church.
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RE: Winchester Outpouring-here we go again - 9/9/2008 3:44:59 PM
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really?...never heard it
We have threads on nearly each one of the individuals I mentioned - replete with video, audio, written documentation.
And a huge one-stop 'Word of Faith' thread that delves further into the heretical teachings of such.
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RE: Winchester Outpouring-here we go again - 9/9/2008 3:55:41 PM
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Can someone explain to me the importance of gold teeth? I am having some difficulty understanding how God would chose to make that a priority as far as miracles go, when there are so many people in need of salvation, healing, shelter, and food.
I would like to know that as well.
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RE: Winchester Outpouring-here we go again - 9/9/2008 5:12:07 PM
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really?...never heard it
We have threads on nearly each one of the individuals I mentioned - replete with video, audio, written documentation.
And a huge one-stop 'Word of Faith' thread that delves further into the heretical teachings of such.
Thanks Earthless but I am not willing to go there...I would rather the LORD teach me what it Truth and what is Error.. but I thank you for the info
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RE: Winchester Outpouring-here we go again - 9/9/2008 5:13:40 PM
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Thanks Earthless but I am not willing to go there...I would rather the LORD teach me what it Truth and what is Error.. but I thank you for the info
God knows......He's trying to............... 
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RE: Winchester Outpouring-here we go again - 9/9/2008 5:15:45 PM
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Thanks Earthless but I am not willing to go there...I would rather the LORD teach me what it Truth and what is Error.. but I thank you for the info
God knows......He's trying to...............
Yes HE is and does everyday...
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RE: Winchester Outpouring-here we go again - 9/9/2008 5:16:27 PM
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really?...never heard it
We have threads on nearly each one of the individuals I mentioned - replete with video, audio, written documentation.
And a huge one-stop 'Word of Faith' thread that delves further into the heretical teachings of such.
Thanks Earthless but I am not willing to go there...I would rather the LORD teach me what it Truth and what is Error.. but I thank you for the info
Huh? These are documented things from people that (maybe) you pay heed to. How do you know that Christians like myself and others is not God using us to show you how their teachings are false?
Your sentiment reminds of a make-believe story of the believer that was drowning.. asked God to help him and, long story short, after God sent him a multitude of people.. the guy kept insisting that God help him - he drowned, died, and God shook His head when He saw him.
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RE: Winchester Outpouring-here we go again - 9/9/2008 6:04:33 PM
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This is why we bring up warning topics like this. We care and love our brethren enough to warn them of the false teachings out there.
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RE: Winchester Outpouring-here we go again - 9/9/2008 7:20:47 PM
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really?...never heard it
We have threads on nearly each one of the individuals I mentioned - replete with video, audio, written documentation.
And a huge one-stop 'Word of Faith' thread that delves further into the heretical teachings of such.
Thanks Earthless but I am not willing to go there...I would rather the LORD teach me what it Truth and what is Error.. but I thank you for the info
Huh? These are documented things from people that (maybe) you pay heed to. How do you know that Christians like myself and others is not God using us to show you how their teachings are false?
Your sentiment reminds of a make-believe story of the believer that was drowning.. asked God to help him and, long story short, after God sent him a multitude of people.. the guy kept insisting that God help him - he drowned, died, and God shook His head when He saw him.
how do you know I "pay heed to" these people...you don't know me enough to say that. I have a brain thank you and I always consult the LORD to show me the truth or non truth of what people are teaching ...
just because I am not revealing to you what I am asking the LORD doesn't mean I am denying GOD helping me...besides just because you all say such and such doesn't make it Truth either. That is what I am saying is all.
I don't want to focus my time on negative but Positive and do what JESUS said to do...
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RE: Winchester Outpouring-here we go again - 9/9/2008 7:40:57 PM
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Why you would listen to these people is the question?
Also why do you refuse to read, watch, and listen to documented evidence?
I mean it may seem to you that you are taking some high ground by saying, "I just leave it to God to show me." However God shows us through His word and other people. He isn't going to always speak to you so to speak.
Saying I have heard them say these things, then basically having a wait and see attitude is very off.
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RE: Winchester Outpouring-here we go again - 9/9/2008 9:33:22 PM
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And right back at you! However, none of this answers to the scriptures and questions presented to you. By avoiding these issues, it definitely sends a message that you are either unwilling or unable to defend the position you so strongly argued for and claimed was Biblical. It's something to think about.
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RE: Winchester Outpouring-here we go again - 9/9/2008 9:34:58 PM
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how do you know I "pay heed to" these people...you don't know me enough to say that.
Which is why I said 'maybe'.
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besides just because you all say such and such doesn't make it Truth either.
What part of evidence/documentation did you not understand? Not being sarcastic.
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I don't want to focus my time on negative but Positive and do what JESUS said to do...
God (Jesus) tells us that the Apostle Paul instructed Timothy, that we are to zealously guard the purity of the message God has entrusted to us, and for good reason (1 Timothy 1:18-19; 6:20; 2 Timothy 4:2-5).
We read in such passages as Acts chapter 20, and 2 Peter chapter 2, that false teachers will arise, bringing with them destructive heresies, distorting the truth and destroying the faith of some. Moreover, friend, it is clear that these teachers will come not only from outside the church, but also from within the body of Christ as well.
It is therefore imperative that we test all things by Scripture (1 Thessolanians 5:21).
It was in this spirit that the Bereans examined the words of the Apostle Paul, for which they were reckoned as noble in character (Acts 17:11). Indeed, not only can the Bible be used for preaching, teaching and encouragement, but it is equally valuable for correcting and rebuking (2 Timothy 4:2).
As a matter of fact, we as Christians are held accountable for proclaiming the whole will of God, warning others of false teachings. (Acts 20:26-28; Ezekiel 33:7-0; 34:1-10)
This is not merely a suggestion, it is, in fact, a divine mandate. Of course if heresies are coming from teachers within the church, we ought to try and approach them first with our concerns.
Should that fail to resolve the problem, we are told in Matthew 18 to expose their errors to the church; and if need be, divulge their names. (1 Timothy 1:20; 2 Timothy 2:17-18; 4:14-15; 3 John 9-10).
We would, therefore, do well to heed Scripture's explicit warning to be on guard for false teachings (Romans 16:17-18; 1 Timothy 1:3-4; 4:16; 2 Timothy 1:13-14; Titus 1:9; 2:1), and to point them out to brothers and sisters in Christ (2 Timothy 4:6).
Jesus, in His Word, says all of the above and more. You can, because of your free-will disobey it and deny it, sure.. but that's like trying to block out the sun with your hand.
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RE: Winchester Outpouring-here we go again - 9/10/2008 9:17:34 AM
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I will look at the scriptures you posted...
but like I said not sure which thread ...it is your approach in making your point on this board (not just you Earthless but others) you come across condemning and harsh and not in love...maybe in your heart you are doing it in love but your words are often harsh and always about how bad the teacher or leader is instead of focusing on JESUS and what HIS Word says etc...do you see what I mean.
I can say something in many ways without focusing on the negative...I feel when you focus on the negative you are giving the enemy credit more than worshiping the FATHER
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RE: Winchester Outpouring-here we go again - 9/10/2008 9:48:57 AM
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I will look at the scriptures you posted...
but like I said not sure which thread ...it is your approach in making your point on this board (not just you Earthless but others) you come across condemning and harsh and not in love...maybe in your heart you are doing it in love but your words are often harsh and always about how bad the teacher or leader is instead of focusing on JESUS and what HIS Word says etc...do you see what I mean.
I can say something in many ways without focusing on the negative...I feel when you focus on the negative you are giving the enemy credit more than worshiping the FATHER
Do you find the Apostle Paul, Jesus, and others in Scripture as harsh and unloving when they used (much stronger words and terms) than I do when warning others about false teachers and false prophets?
They named names, etc...
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RE: Winchester Outpouring-here we go again - 9/10/2008 9:57:54 AM
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I will look at the scriptures you posted...
but like I said not sure which thread ...it is your approach in making your point on this board (not just you Earthless but others) you come across condemning and harsh and not in love...maybe in your heart you are doing it in love but your words are often harsh and always about how bad the teacher or leader is instead of focusing on JESUS and what HIS Word says etc...do you see what I mean.
I can say something in many ways without focusing on the negative...I feel when you focus on the negative you are giving the enemy credit more than worshiping the FATHER
Do you find the Apostle Paul, Jesus, and others in Scripture as harsh and unloving when they used (much stronger words and terms) than I do when warning others about false teachers and false prophets?
They named names, etc...
Also, Paul was pretty harsh with those who put up with false teachers and false prophets in 2 Corinthians 11:19-20.
For you, being so wise, tolerate the foolish gladly. For you tolerate it if anyone enslaves you, anyone devours you, anyone takes advantage of you, anyone exalts himself, anyone hits you in the face.
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