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RE: I like Ike! - 9/15/2008 8:35:41 AM
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"More than 1.2 million people fled the Texas coast as Ike approached, but officials estimated as many as 140,000 defied evacuation orders and stayed to ride out the enormous Category 2 storm. Those who stayed were faced with flooding, flattened houses, strewn debris and downed power lines.
Authorities said at a news conference Sunday afternoon that 1,984 people had been rescued so far in Texas, including 394 by air.
Rescue crews were still finding it difficult to get into some flooded neighborhoods, and were angered so many people defied evacuation orders."
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So Texans are "smarter" than those ignorant people in NOLA.  "It's only a CAT 2, how bad can it be?"
I guess they forgot to look up the word mandatory in the dictionary. All the resources that have to be brought to bear to find these idiots who stayed behind which adds to the cost of the disaster. Next time leave when told! 
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RE: I like Ike! - 9/15/2008 1:26:22 PM
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"More than 1.2 million people fled the Texas coast as Ike approached, but officials estimated as many as 140,000 defied evacuation orders and stayed to ride out the enormous Category 2 storm. Those who stayed were faced with flooding, flattened houses, strewn debris and downed power lines.
Authorities said at a news conference Sunday afternoon that 1,984 people had been rescued so far in Texas, including 394 by air.
Rescue crews were still finding it difficult to get into some flooded neighborhoods, and were angered so many people defied evacuation orders."
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So Texans are "smarter" than those ignorant people in NOLA. "It's only a CAT 2, how bad can it be?"
I guess they forgot to look up the word mandatory in the dictionary. All the resources that have to be brought to bear to find these idiots who stayed behind which adds to the cost of the disaster. Next time leave when told!
I am reading news articles about the people who chose to stay behind and "ride out the storm" when they could have left, are not getting ANY sympathy from people who make comments after the new story (like on AOL).. as the above poster just wrote. Unfortunately, one news story on tv said that the rescuers could not even get to one person's house because they just could not get to them, due to the high water. now if i heard this right, the people who chose to ride out the storm wont be able to have power and stuff or be rescued for several weeks.
they needed to have left. just in case,, and since they were warned by their governor to leave.
the ironic part is that the dire warnings to the people in Louisiana for the hurricane that just happened and turned out to be not as bad, the people who fled came back "steaming mad" that they ran for nothing. But if it turned out that no dire warnings were given, they would have been steaming mad that they were not warned.
I just dont get it.. why dont people just listen to the authorities? and when the authorities try to help them, they just complain, and now the people in TX who did not leave, are stuck. Even if it turned out that the hurricane was not as bad, its better to be safe than sorry.
next time, if you chose to ride out the storm and got stuck, next time a warning is coming, will you again stay? or flee?
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RE: I like Ike! - 9/15/2008 1:33:43 PM
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"More than 1.2 million people fled the Texas coast as Ike approached, but officials estimated as many as 140,000 defied evacuation orders and stayed to ride out the enormous Category 2 storm. Those who stayed were faced with flooding, flattened houses, strewn debris and downed power lines.
Authorities said at a news conference Sunday afternoon that 1,984 people had been rescued so far in Texas, including 394 by air.
Rescue crews were still finding it difficult to get into some flooded neighborhoods, and were angered so many people defied evacuation orders."
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So Texans are "smarter" than those ignorant people in NOLA. "It's only a CAT 2, how bad can it be?"
I guess they forgot to look up the word mandatory in the dictionary. All the resources that have to be brought to bear to find these idiots who stayed behind which adds to the cost of the disaster. Next time leave when told!
I am reading news articles about the people who chose to stay behind and "ride out the storm" when they could have left, are not getting much sympathy as the above poster just wrote. Unfortunately, one news story on tv said that the rescueers could not even get to one person's house because they just could not get to them, due to the high water. now if i heard this right, the people who chose to ride out the storm wont be able to have power and stuff or be rescued for several weeks.
they should have left. just in case,, and especially since they were warned by their governor to leave.
the ironic part is that the dire warnings to the people in Louisiana for the hurricane that just happened and turned out to be not as bad, the people who fled came back "steaming mad" that they ran for nothing. But if it turned out that no dire warnings were given, they would have been steaming mad that they were not warned.
I just dont get it.. why dont people just listen to the authorities? now they are stuck.
I guess the old saying "Better be safe than sorry" has no meaning.
I'm so sorry that evacuations couldn't be made easier for you! Next time we'll send a limo for you with a moving truck!
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RE: I like Ike! - 9/15/2008 1:45:03 PM
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I'd run.. especially if i had pets! i feel bad for the pets who are stuck in the muck.
ok ok someone will say i dont have a heart of love for the people who chose to ride out the storm and are now stuck, but please next time you get a warning please heed it! then we wont have to worry about you..
everyone is worrying about Ben! i wish he would have left when they told him to. even if it meant a false alarm.
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RE: I like Ike! - 9/15/2008 1:57:02 PM
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but please next time you get a warning please heed it! Does the government help with the expenses of people leaving an area every time they're told to? I suspect for many it's not financially easy to leave and while staying carries a greater risk, it's something they can afford.
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RE: I like Ike! - 9/15/2008 2:03:41 PM
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but please next time you get a warning please heed it! Does the government help with the expenses of people leaving an area every time they're told to? I suspect for many it's not financially easy to leave and while staying carries a greater risk, it's something they can afford.
Then maybe the rest of us taxpayers who flit the bill for them ignoring a mandatory evacuation order can just ignore their cries for help as they cling to their stairways and rooftops?
There are evacuation centers set up by the government where they get free food and a warm dry place to stay. The biggest cost to them is boredom. The government even payed for the buses to get them there.
So what cost are you talking about?
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RE: I like Ike! - 9/15/2008 2:05:33 PM
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everyone is worrying about Ben! i wish he would have left when they told him to. even if it meant a false alarm.
Ben was NOT in an area told to evacuate. The people in HIS area were told to stay put. If you don't know the man, please don't criticize his decisions.
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RE: I like Ike! - 9/15/2008 2:27:55 PM
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but please next time you get a warning please heed it! Does the government help with the expenses of people leaving an area every time they're told to? I suspect for many it's not financially easy to leave and while staying carries a greater risk, it's something they can afford.
well, if you have feet, you can be like the folks in the Godzilla movie and when they see the monster, they RUN!!!
i read that some people were safer leaving the beachcoast and to sit all night in thier car more inland away from the water, as opposed to staying by the water.
Those houses on stilts were pretty amazing, they were still standing ON THE STILTS, only the rooves had damage. Those stilt houses were so amazing to see them standing. how do they do that?
listen, again, if you think im heartless and "dont judge unless your in a hurricane" please, we who are outside of the area cannot figure out why people dont run when told. Your life is more important than your stuff. its not a time to be brave - JUST RUN walk or jog, whatever you need to do.
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RE: I like Ike! - 9/15/2008 2:44:22 PM
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everyone is worrying about Ben! i wish he would have left when they told him to. even if it meant a false alarm.
Ben was NOT in an area told to evacuate. The people in HIS area were told to stay put. If you don't know the man, please don't criticize his decisions.
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RE: I like Ike! - 9/15/2008 2:53:04 PM
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Those houses on stilts were pretty amazing, they were still standing ON THE STILTS, only the rooves had damage. Those stilt houses were so amazing to see them standing. how do they do that?
They're not that amazing.....maybe one out of thirty of those "stilt" houses were still standing. From the footage I've seen.
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RE: I like Ike! - 9/15/2008 2:53:28 PM
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 You're welcome, Becky. Someone wrongly criticizes my friends, I can get cantankerous and ugly.
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RE: I like Ike! - 9/15/2008 3:34:09 PM
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everyone is worrying about Ben! i wish he would have left when they told him to. even if it meant a false alarm.
Ben was NOT in an area told to evacuate. The people in HIS area were told to stay put. If you don't know the man, please don't criticize his decisions.
ok but people were worried about him - read some of the earlier posts.. and he said in his earliest post that he decided to ride it out. scroll up and read for yourself.
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RE: I like Ike! - 9/15/2008 3:39:39 PM
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Yep, he said that... but he also said that on Wednesday night ~ when the storm was meant to go 'right by him'. My understanding of that was that he may have to deal with some of the effects of Ike, but it wasn't going to cause major devestation to the area he lives in. It's hard to tell on a Wednesday where something is going to hit exactly some days later.
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RE: I like Ike! - 9/15/2008 4:17:48 PM
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We live in a place not far from Houston that has some damage from the hurricane. We rode it out as well. The reason was those in leadership who had a plan for the coming hurricane specifically said that if you are not in the mandatory evacuation places, if possible, just hunker down. The reason being so that the roads would not get so clogged.
So actually, we were just doing as we were told.
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RE: I like Ike! - 9/15/2008 5:12:25 PM
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"More than 1.2 million people fled the Texas coast as Ike approached, but officials estimated as many as 140,000 defied evacuation orders and stayed to ride out the enormous Category 2 storm. Those who stayed were faced with flooding, flattened houses, strewn debris and downed power lines.
Authorities said at a news conference Sunday afternoon that 1,984 people had been rescued so far in Texas, including 394 by air.
Rescue crews were still finding it difficult to get into some flooded neighborhoods, and were angered so many people defied evacuation orders."
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So Texans are "smarter" than those ignorant people in NOLA. "It's only a CAT 2, how bad can it be?"
I guess they forgot to look up the word mandatory in the dictionary. All the resources that have to be brought to bear to find these idiots who stayed behind which adds to the cost of the disaster. Next time leave when told!
I am reading news articles about the people who chose to stay behind and "ride out the storm" when they could have left, are not getting ANY sympathy from people who make comments after the new story (like on AOL).. as the above poster just wrote. Unfortunately, one news story on tv said that the rescuers could not even get to one person's house because they just could not get to them, due to the high water. now if i heard this right, the people who chose to ride out the storm wont be able to have power and stuff or be rescued for several weeks.
they needed to have left. just in case,, and since they were warned by their governor to leave.
the ironic part is that the dire warnings to the people in Louisiana for the hurricane that just happened and turned out to be not as bad, the people who fled came back "steaming mad" that they ran for nothing. But if it turned out that no dire warnings were given, they would have been steaming mad that they were not warned.
I just dont get it.. why dont people just listen to the authorities? and when the authorities try to help them, they just complain, and now the people in TX who did not leave, are stuck. Even if it turned out that the hurricane was not as bad, its better to be safe than sorry.
next time, if you chose to ride out the storm and got stuck, next time a warning is coming, will you again stay? or flee?
I can speak from experience about not evacuating for Gustav even though there was a mandatory evacuation in my area. I was ready to leave but saw that the storm was weakening then moving east. I also lived where the impact would be on the southwest quadrant of which is the weakest side of the storm where there was a lot of shear. I did not pay attention to the hype and hysteria that was happening but listened to my local met who was one of the very few who was giving out the plain facts about the storm. Another news anchor also questioned whether or not the OEP (office of emergency preparedness) was acting on facts or hype. They both were here for Rita and understood the issue quite well. The people here did what they were told and came back to absolutely zero impact from Gustav. Most people don't get paid when they can't work during a mandatory evacuation. The loss of wages hurt a whole lot of people.
Ike was a different storm for this area. For starters we were on the dirty side of the storm (northeast quadrant) where the most damage occurs. It wasn't that bad here for those outside of the flood zones. To be honest it doesn't even look like a storm passed through because there was very little wind damage. I left for Ike but as soon as possible I came home to zero damage. The lights were off for about 24 hours. Many people were preparing to leave when the storm surge hit a lot sooner than was predicted. Many have rebuilt to the new Miami-Dade codes and to the FEMA flood recommendations. Ike pushed more water than Rita. The winds weren't the issue this time.
People from Southwest Louisiana know about storms. It's a part of life here. It used to be easy to evacuate but because the actions of the inner city New Orleans residents during Katrina the authorities have gotten a bit heavy handed. There has hardly ever been a problem here with looters and criminals. Looters were dealt with immediately. For Gustav when people left as they were told to do in order to return to start picking up the pieces they had to have a valid driver's license, a letter from the CEO of where they worked and a work badge. There were no exceptions at all. That left a lot of people unable to return until the mandatory evacuation was lifted, like children. Needless to say people here were not happy with "the authorities".
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RE: I like Ike! - 9/15/2008 5:20:56 PM
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but please next time you get a warning please heed it! Does the government help with the expenses of people leaving an area every time they're told to? I suspect for many it's not financially easy to leave and while staying carries a greater risk, it's something they can afford.
No they don't. In fact that was one reason why many stayed in my area. They had just spent a lot of money to evacuate for Gustav, they had no income for that time off and had to leave again in about a week.
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RE: I like Ike! - 9/15/2008 5:22:52 PM
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You're welcome, Becky. Someone wrongly criticizes my friends, I can get cantankerous and ugly.
She was not criticizing him, she was just expressing concern. Ben was in a mobile home and we were strongly urging him to go to a friend's brick house where he sent his daughters. The last we heard, we did not know if he left the mobile home or not.
Many of us have been very concerned but that does not mean we are criticizing. Be critical of us if we do not express concern but please do not rush to judgement when we are expressing concern.....
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RE: I like Ike! - 9/15/2008 5:26:34 PM
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everyone is worrying about Ben! i wish he would have left when they told him to. even if it meant a false alarm.
Ben was NOT in an area told to evacuate. The people in HIS area were told to stay put. If you don't know the man, please don't criticize his decisions.
ok but people were worried about him - read some of the earlier posts.. and he said in his earliest post that he decided to ride it out. scroll up and read for yourself.
The main issue with hurricanes is the storm surge. That is what kills most people. If people don't live in the surge area they don't usually have to leave if they live in a sturdy home.
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RE: I like Ike! - 9/15/2008 5:31:07 PM
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but please next time you get a warning please heed it! Does the government help with the expenses of people leaving an area every time they're told to? I suspect for many it's not financially easy to leave and while staying carries a greater risk, it's something they can afford.
No they don't. In fact that was one reason why many stayed in my area. They had just spent a lot of money to evacuate for Gustav, they had no income for that time off and had to leave again in about a week.
Thanks for understanding what I was trying to say.
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RE: I like Ike! - 9/15/2008 9:02:29 PM
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Hi - ok please dont get mad at me now. Instead of worrying about him, lets pray for him so that God will take care of him and find him water and protection and that they will get the place up and working in less than a few weeks.
Maybe your friend is a brave guy who trusts God and/or made a decision to stay rather than leave coz he trusts God. He might be somewhere right now safe or in a shelter or trying to find water and maybe he is where there is a generator, and what little power he has typing to us on a computer might be the last thing on his mind IF they even have electricity (some people who have generators have a little power). I can imagine that the first priority is finding water, food, and shelter and not typing on a computer to us.
So lets pray for him that God is taking care of him and will give him the grace to endure.
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RE: I like Ike! - 9/16/2008 5:46:24 PM
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It seems like power is being restored very quickly in the inland areas affected by the hurricane. We just had power restored this afternoon after just three days. The coastal communities will take much longer to restore power, however due to the extensive damage.
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RE: I like Ike! - 9/16/2008 5:48:43 PM
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It seems like power is being restored very quickly in the inland areas affected by the hurricane. We just had power restored this afternoon after just three days. The coastal communities will take much longer to restore power, however due to the extensive damage.
Thank you for the information. So glad you are alright
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RE: I like Ike! - 9/16/2008 7:11:09 PM
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I'm sure our little bunny is fine. He's probably draining out the rabbit holes. :) Stamper is a wascly wabbit. He'll be fine. :)
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Hi - ok please dont get mad at me now. Instead of worrying about him, lets pray for him so that God will take care of him and find him water and protection and that they will get the place up and working in less than a few weeks.
Maybe your friend is a brave guy who trusts God and/or made a decision to stay rather than leave coz he trusts God. He might be somewhere right now safe or in a shelter or trying to find water and maybe he is where there is a generator, and what little power he has typing to us on a computer might be the last thing on his mind IF they even have electricity (some people who have generators have a little power). I can imagine that the first priority is finding water, food, and shelter and not typing on a computer to us.
So lets pray for him that God is taking care of him and will give him the grace to endure.
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RE: I like Ike! - 9/16/2008 8:25:47 PM
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I'm sure our little bunny is fine. He's probably draining out the rabbit holes. :) Stamper is a wascly wabbit. He'll be fine. :) heehee
And I agree.
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