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PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/11/2008 9:01:21 AM
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Pro-life Democrats
The Democratic Party's strong commitment to human rights leads naturally to a pro-life position. Just as we Democrats care about children, the disabled, and the elderly, we care about unborn children and their mothers.
What Democrat can embrace the idea that a person's rights can depend upon being "wanted"? At the grass roots level, a large number, perhaps even a majority of Democratic voters, are pro-life. These voters now have a voice within the party. - Mission Statement of Democrats for Life of Texas
PRO-LIFE DEMS ARE MAKING A DIFFERENCE!
PRO-LIFE DEMOCRAT CAST KEY VOTE TO END STATE FUNDING
OF ABORTION
The Virginia Senate voted to end state funding of abortion largely due to a courageous pro-life democrat who stood by his commitment to protect the unborn. The House previously passed a similar Amendment.
Senator Charles Colgan cast the key vote on the Cuccinelli Amendment that would end funding to Planned Parenthood of Virginia which performs abortions in the Commonwealth of Virginia. In the Democratic controlled Senate, Colgan's vote led to a 20 to 20 tie. The Lieutenat Governor ultimately cast the tie-breaking vote that led to the Amendments passage.
PRO-LIFE DEMOCRAT OFFERS AMENDMENT TO MAKE RU-486
ILLEGAL
Twenty-six Democrats joined Representative Ray Salva to add the abortion drug mifepristone (also known as RU-486) to a list of Schedule I Controlled Substances -- those with a "high potential for abuse and have no accepted medical use or are unsafe."
DFLA praises Representative Salva for his leadership and for recognizing that abortion is harmful to women and their unborn children.
"What other drug could be more harmful (than one that takes) a life?" said Salva, "It is germane. RU-486 is a drug that takes a human life."
Salva's amendment passed by a vote of 113-36. The House is expected to continue consideration of the bill next week.
READ MORE HERE: http://www.democratsforlife.org
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/11/2008 10:48:50 AM
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Moving from Election 2008 to Current Events.
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/11/2008 11:05:32 AM
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As a pro life democrat, I hope this spreads thoughout the party and we return to the democratic party of my parents and grandparents.
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/11/2008 11:14:50 AM
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As a pro life democrat, I hope this spreads thoughout the party and we return to the democratic party of my parents and grandparents.
There is a saying that Today's republicans are yesterday's democrats, and today's democrats are yesterday's socialists.
(The great republican benchmark Ronald Reagon was originally a democrat)
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/11/2008 11:22:28 AM
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upNORTder: I typically vote Republican. One big issue for me is that of life. If I had oppurtunity to vote for a pro life Democrat, I would certainly take a hard look at both candidates. Unfortunately, there are so few Democrats who are pro life, I've never really had the chance to consider one.
One question for you. As a pro life Democrat, in a presidential election featuring 2 stongly pro life Republicans and 2 strongly pro choice Dems, who do you pull the lever for?
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/11/2008 11:58:09 AM
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As a pro life democrat, I hope this spreads thoughout the party and we return to the democratic party of my parents and grandparents.
There is a saying that Today's republicans are yesterday's democrats, and today's democrats are yesterday's socialists.
(The great republican benchmark Ronald Reagon was originally a democrat)
Hang on, here. There's another saying that today's Democrats are yesterday's Republicans and today's Republicans are yesterday's fascists.
In all honesty, there are a lot of formerly Democrat issues that are now Republican ones (social conservatism) and there are a lot of formerly Republican issues that are now Democratic ones (balanced budgets.)
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/11/2008 1:22:27 PM
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Total comedy...
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/11/2008 1:28:23 PM
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Pro-life Democrats
The Democratic Party's strong commitment to human rights leads naturally to a pro-life position. Just as we Democrats care about children, the disabled, and the elderly, we care about unborn children and their mothers.
"Pro-Life Democrat" is the mother (no pun intended) of all oxymorons.
The democrat platform just this year took "Rare" out of the language and left "Safe" and "Availabe" in the language. The Democratic candidate is for abortion, partial birt abortion, and even pushed infanticide while in the Illinois Senage.
So please do not give me any of this "Pro-Life Demokratic" nonsense.
If someone is pro-life they will not pull the lever to put a serious abortion to the extreme candidate in office.
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/11/2008 2:04:07 PM
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"Pro-Life Democrat" is the mother (no pun intended) of all oxymorons.
The democrat platform just this year took "Rare" out of the language and left "Safe" and "Availabe" in the language.
Sorry, try again:
http://www.ourbodiesourblog.org/blog/2008/08/democratic-party-platform-includes-stronger-commitment-to-reproductive-rights-low-income-women
> Take a look at the 2004 version section on choice:
We will defend the dignity of all Americans against those who would undermine it. Because we believe in the privacy and equality of women, we stand proudly for a woman’s right to choose, consistent with Roe v. Wade, and regardless of her ability to pay. We stand firmly against Republican efforts to undermine that right. At the same time, we strongly support family planning and adoption incentives. Abortion should be safe, legal, and rare.
And the 2008 version:
The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman’s right to choose a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay, and we oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right.
The Democratic Party also strongly supports access to affordable family planning services and comprehensive age-appropriate sex education which empowers people to make informed choices and live healthy lives. We also recognize that such health care and education help reduce the number of unintended pregnancies and thereby also reduce the need for abortions.
The Democratic Party also strongly supports a woman’s decision to have a child by ensuring access to and availability of programs for pre- and post-natal health care, parenting skills, income support, and caring adoption programs. <
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/11/2008 2:29:06 PM
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"Pro-Life Democrat" is the mother (no pun intended) of all oxymorons.
The democrat platform just this year took "Rare" out of the language and left "Safe" and "Availabe" in the language.
Sorry, try again:
http://www.ourbodiesourblog.org/blog/2008/08/democratic-party-platform-includes-stronger-commitment-to-reproductive-rights-low-income-women
> Take a look at the 2004 version section on choice:
We will defend the dignity of all Americans against those who would undermine it. Because we believe in the privacy and equality of women, we stand proudly for a woman’s right to choose, consistent with Roe v. Wade, and regardless of her ability to pay. We stand firmly against Republican efforts to undermine that right. At the same time, we strongly support family planning and adoption incentives. Abortion should be safe, legal, and rare.
And the 2008 version:
The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman’s right to choose a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay, and we oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right.
The Democratic Party also strongly supports access to affordable family planning services and comprehensive age-appropriate sex education which empowers people to make informed choices and live healthy lives. We also recognize that such health care and education help reduce the number of unintended pregnancies and thereby also reduce the need for abortions.
The Democratic Party also strongly supports a woman’s decision to have a child by ensuring access to and availability of programs for pre- and post-natal health care, parenting skills, income support, and caring adoption programs. <
I don't see the term, Abortion should be safe, legal, and rare. in the 2008 version...
It was removed because it is said to undermined the right to abort...
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/11/2008 2:34:11 PM
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Anyway, what does the 2008 party stance on abortion have to do with pro life Democrats. Pro life Democrats are against abortion, other Democrats are very much for abortion, very much for the right to choose to have unwanted babies disposed of.
Also, as SIH pointed out, yes, RC is correct, the term "rare" was dropped from the party platform in 2008.
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/11/2008 2:53:26 PM
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I don't see the term, Abortion should be safe, legal, and rare. in the 2008 version...
Try reading it again - hint, a thesaurus was not a denizen of the Jurassic Era.
The Democratic Party also strongly supports access to affordable family planning services and comprehensive age-appropriate sex education which empowers people to make informed choices and live healthy lives. We also recognize that such health care and education help reduce the number of unintended pregnancies and thereby also reduce the need for abortions.
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It was removed because it is said to undermined the right to abort...
And you know this because...how, again? Press release? Convention speech? Minutes of the platform committee? Or good old Republican telepathy?
Enquiring minds want to know.
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/11/2008 2:55:21 PM
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Anyway, what does the 2008 party stance on abortion have to do with pro life Democrats. Pro life Democrats are against abortion, other Democrats are very much for abortion, very much for the right to choose to have unwanted babies disposed of.
The problem with people around here speaking of pro-life Democrats is that the person they are going to vote for isn't one... As well, being against abortion should entail removal of oneself from the group... There is a point where even though you speak out against something your actions overall are complicit to the act in the bigger picture. Are these pro-life Democrats supporting Obama for President? Did they vote the likes of Pelosi to Speaker?
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/11/2008 3:16:03 PM
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As a pro life democrat, I hope this spreads thoughout the party and we return to the democratic party of my parents and grandparents.
Might be nice. But don't hold your breath.
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/11/2008 3:57:43 PM
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Try reading it again - hint, a thesaurus was not a denizen of the Jurassic Era.
The Democratic Party also strongly supports access to affordable family planning services and comprehensive age-appropriate sex education which empowers people to make informed choices and live healthy lives. We also recognize that such health care and education help reduce the number of unintended pregnancies and thereby also reduce the need for abortions.
It's an appeasement statement... Here's a hint, take a course in politics you seem to have dropped any sort of critical thinking at the door... The above is nothing but political ploy to allow folks who claim Christ to support Obama who supports abortion... In fact the new plank is more to the left than the last one and the one before it, and so on...
Position on Roe
2000: “stands behind” the right of women to choose abortion, “consistent with Roe“
2004: “we stand proudly behind” the right of women to choose abortion, “consistent with Roe“
2008: “strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a women’s right to choose”
2000: “less necessary and more rare”
2004: “safe, legal, and rare”
2008: “safe and legal”
Read this again... It might ring a bell..
The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v Wade and a woman's right to choose a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay, and we oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right.
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And you know this because...how, again? Press release? Convention speech? Minutes of the platform committee? Or good old Republican telepathy?
Enquiring minds want to know.
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=c03e5f26-5dd3-4274-ba69-901e15bf0d8d
In 2004, Democrats removed language from their platform calling for a reduction in the abortion rate. Abortion was still to be "safe, legal and rare," but no longer "more rare," as the plank had stated in 1996 and 2000. As with most platform tussles, the language here is a proxy war in a larger internecine face-off: What role should pro-life activists play in a pro-choice political party? Though their advocacy is welcomed by some Democrats as a way to broaden the party's support, others see them threatening the party's principles. "It's been our view as Democrats that women should make their decisions based on their moral values," says former NARAL president Kate Michelman. "The pro-life Democrats' language is a means to an end, and the end is to limit abortion."
To many pro-choice activists, pro-life Democrats are little more than wolves in sheep's clothing, luring the party away from their core values. "We need to restore first principles," says former NARAL President Michelman. She compares the issue of abortion to tax cuts or global warming. "On those issues, the party wouldn't go out of its way to take an opposite side and give it credibility. But for some reason, women's rights are the first ballast to be cast overboard."
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/08/13/conservative_dems_hail_party_p.html
"Interpretation" is the key word. Some pro-life voters willing to place stock in the new platform might be deterred by the fact that abortion rights supporters are also claiming victory in the language, which they like for its statement of "unequivocal" support of abortion rights and for its elision of the existing conciliatory line that some found overly pat and judgmental, that abortions should be "safe, legal and rare."
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/11/2008 4:22:58 PM
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There is really no reason to cover your retreat from the original complaint - now proven false - by smokescreening it with a different complaint.
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/11/2008 4:41:35 PM
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There is really no reason to cover your retreat from the original complaint - now proven false - by smokescreening it with a different complaint.
You are in absolute denial; the 2008 version drops the term rare; period.
From SovereignIsHe's post
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2000: “stands behind” the right of women to choose abortion, “consistent with Roe“
2004: “we stand proudly behind” the right of women to choose abortion, “consistent with Roe“
2008: “strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a women’s right to choose”
2000: “less necessary and more rare”
2004: “safe, legal, and rare”
2008: “safe and legal”
So duh! it cannot be more plain than that.
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/11/2008 5:13:03 PM
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There is really no reason to cover your retreat from the original complaint - now proven false - by smokescreening it with a different complaint.
Your surrender is accepted...Thanks for playing...
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/11/2008 9:35:33 PM
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A problem I can see at the federal level is that even if a Democrat is pro-life, voting for that person helps keep people like Pelosi and Reid in power. The question then becomes do they go against the party leadership on the issue?
I guess I'm saying that one shouldn't just think about the individual that one is voting for, but who will that party support for positions like Speaker and Majority Leader.
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/12/2008 2:08:56 AM
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Pro-life Democrats
The Democratic Party's strong commitment to human rights leads naturally to a pro-life position. Just as we Democrats care about children, the disabled, and the elderly, we care about unborn children and their mothers.
"Pro-Life Democrat" is the mother (no pun intended) of all oxymorons.
The democrat platform just this year took "Rare" out of the language and left "Safe" and "Availabe" in the language. The Democratic candidate is for abortion, partial birt abortion, and even pushed infanticide while in the Illinois Senage.
So please do not give me any of this "Pro-Life Demokratic" nonsense.
If someone is pro-life they will not pull the lever to put a serious abortion to the extreme candidate in office.
Thanks
RC
If republicans had a true desire to stop or even severely limit abortions, they would have introduced an amendment to the constitution to establish when human life begins when they had control of the congress and senate. I saw no real action when they had the chance. I prefer to push for change in my own party.
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/12/2008 3:13:07 AM
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I'm a Christian and a Democrat but I don't consider myself to be pro-life or pro-choice. They are extreme views IMO. I don't want to make an ultimatum when it comes to abortion because they are always special circumstances. For example, if a woman's life is at risk then I support an abortion in that situation. I think most people agree with that.
If a woman is the victim of rape then I also support abortion. But even then it depends on the circumstances. I wouldn't dream of making a rape victim live with a living, breathing reminder of probably the most traumatic experience of her life if she didn't want to. But if she was prepared to have the baby and give it up for adoption, then I'd favor that over abortion but I still wouldn't be totally against abortion. In the case of rape, it's definitely the victims choice to have the baby or not IMO.
Whereas if a 17-year-old girl has casual sex with her boyfriend and falls pregnant, she made the choice to have sex and she should face up to the consequences. So I wouldn't support an abortion in that circumstance. Although I'd probably encourage the teenage parents to find a more mature couple to raise the child. If abortion was ever an option for a teenager who had fallen pregnant, that obviously she's not truly ready for a child. So I'd really encourage the young girl to give her baby up for adoption.
But again, in the case of teen pregnancy it's still hard to take a stance on abortion. You have to think about what happens if you do make an ultimatum and you ban abortions. How many pregnant teens will you find lying dead in a pool of their own blood with a coat hanger stuck half-way up themselves? It's a scary thought. That's why I can't firmly say I'm pro-choice or pro-life. Even considering what the Christian stance on this is. I just can't make an ultimatum when it comes to abortion.
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/12/2008 3:47:45 AM
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Pro-life Democrats
The Democratic Party's strong commitment to human rights leads naturally to a pro-life position. Just as we Democrats care about children, the disabled, and the elderly, we care about unborn children and their mothers.
"Pro-Life Democrat" is the mother (no pun intended) of all oxymorons.
The democrat platform just this year took "Rare" out of the language and left "Safe" and "Availabe" in the language. The Democratic candidate is for abortion, partial birt abortion, and even pushed infanticide while in the Illinois Senage.
So please do not give me any of this "Pro-Life Demokratic" nonsense.
If someone is pro-life they will not pull the lever to put a serious abortion to the extreme candidate in office.
Thanks
RC
If republicans had a true desire to stop or even severely limit abortions, they would have introduced an amendment to the constitution to establish when human life begins when they had control of the congress and senate. I saw no real action when they had the chance. I prefer to push for change in my own party.
This is exactly how I feel. Within the next twenty years the parties will have a major shift in this area. If John McCain would have had his way he would have chosen a pro-choice running mate but the leaders of the RNC told him no way. The Republicans don't really want abortion illegal because it gives them something to run on every election cycle. It is pro-life evangelicals that keep the republican party afloat. If they showed their true colors about abortion or if abortion was already illegal then they would lose every election.
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/12/2008 8:49:13 AM
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I think there are more pro life dems than Log Cabin Republicans and I hear more from the latter than the former.
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