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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/13/2008 12:43:46 AM
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By the 10th amendment where it says "anything not covered in this document is left up to the individual choice of the states". The Constitution does not cover when a life begins though Common Law was used for a long time so it is a decision left up to the individual states.
I am speaking to the much ignored supreme law, that being God's... The one everyone is held accountable to... Even those who don't believe...
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I am not PRO abortion in cases of rape or incest I will not however support the government or anyone else for that matter who wishes to make this decision for the victims or alleged victims.
You are either for or against it... Can't have it both ways... Well... I forgot where I am, of course you can here...
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This opinion is consistent with the pro life opinion of the President, McCain, Sarah Palin and pretty much every Republican I have ever seen take office at any level of government. As a matter of fact the same people you have promoted over the years.
For the record I believe Palin isn't for murdering the child in the case of rape, yet McCain and of course Obama and Biden are... At least one out of the four got it right...
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So since that is an opinion consistent with the people you support in office as being morally superior to the ones you don't, why bother making an issue of it?
I don't support those people...
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/13/2008 4:08:58 AM
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So, do you espouse abortion to take care of this "problem"? Or does a person make his/her own decisions? If they do, then they are accountable. It is not poverty begats poverty. It is no accountability.
No I do not. In the case of homes of young women who have children out of wedlock there is a consistent cycle of poverty. Not in every case but in many cases. As I pointed out half of all abortions are single women from ages 13 to 24 and 80% of the babies born to that demographic will spend a majority of their childhood in poverty. The fiscal cost of abortion vs. paying for these kids the former is more fiscally responsible it is however morally reprehensible. It would be more fiscally responsible for example to just take all of the felons in the US, put them in concrete chambers and allow them to inhale zyklon B for a little while to and then cremate them. That is morally reprehensible also.
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I don't support those people...
Who did you vote for President in the last 4 Presidential elections? How do you vote locally? Do you think it is important to compare actions to words? John that question wasn't directed at you it was directed at those politicians who claim to be pro life and yet getting elected is far more important to them than making a stand for what they claim to believe.
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I am speaking to the much ignored supreme law, that being God's... The one everyone is held accountable to... Even those who don't believe...
Yet the laws made by the government of this land were put in place by a government that God put in power. (Romans 13:1)
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You are either for or against it... Can't have it both ways
Why not? Because you say?
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/13/2008 8:44:01 AM
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As a pro life democrat, I hope this spreads thoughout the party and we return to the democratic party of my parents and grandparents.
Me too, but this thread has shown that Republicans only want to believe that we are all pro-choice, therefore easier to demonize, therefore easier to scare people into doing what the Republican power tells them to do.
Are you for greater protection of the environment? Are you for troop withdraw from Iraq? Well, you can't vote that way or else you'll be a baby killer!
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/13/2008 9:17:31 AM
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Are you for greater protection of the environment? Are you for troop withdraw from Iraq? Well, you can't vote that way or else you'll be a baby killer!
I've been called that for disagreeing with Dubya. I actually made a handle for it based on the names I have been called here on CW: "True-Liberal-Islamo-Fascist-Satanist-Commie" and yes disagreeing with his holiness Dubya is blasphemy. I've never even voted for a dem president and I get called that.
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/13/2008 12:12:51 PM
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Who did you vote for President in the last 4 Presidential elections?
The last time I voted for a major party for President was in 1984
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How do you vote locally?
I live in Northern California... Just about every candidate is pro-abortion leaving me without a person to even consider...
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Do you think it is important to compare actions to words? John that question wasn't directed at you it was directed at those politicians who claim to be pro life and yet getting elected is far more important to them than making a stand for what they claim to believe.
Getting elected is the most important thing for all politicians...
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Yet the laws made by the government of this land were put in place by a government that God put in power. (Romans 13:1)
That doesn't equate to all the laws man enacts as being just, nor all the actions taken be the government to be just...
Peter said... Honor the king, FEAR God... We ought to obey God over man... It's clear God is at the top and everything else is below...
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Why not? Because you say?
You can't be for and against the same thing...
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/13/2008 12:15:07 PM
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As a pro life democrat, I hope this spreads thoughout the party and we return to the democratic party of my parents and grandparents.
Me too, but this thread has shown that Republicans only want to believe that we are all pro-choice, therefore easier to demonize, therefore easier to scare people into doing what the Republican power tells them to do.
Are you for greater protection of the environment? Are you for troop withdraw from Iraq? Well, you can't vote that way or else you'll be a baby killer!
Simple question... Do you vote for people that champion abortion? How is being a pro-life Democrat matter if you are voting for pro-abortion candidates. And even the pro-life Democrats in office vote for leadership that is pro-abortion...
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/13/2008 2:00:46 PM
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The last time I voted for a major party for President was in 1984
Then you're consistent and I respect that.
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You can't be for and against the same thing...
I'm against it but I will never condone allowing the government to make the decision (in cases of rape and incest) for the victim. That may be inconsistent but that's what I think about it.
Isn't California the state that hasn't elected a pro life governor or member of Congress in a couple of decades?
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/13/2008 2:02:30 PM
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Me too, but this thread has shown that Republicans only want to believe that we are all pro-choice, therefore easier to demonize, therefore easier to scare people into doing what the Republican power tells them to do.
Are you for greater protection of the environment? Are you for troop withdraw from Iraq? Well, you can't vote that way or else you'll be a baby killer!
Since the demokrat party increasingly pushes abortion on demand, even to the word rare out of their platform, and the congretional votes on partial birth abourt are a majority yes do it, and since the head of the Party Obama pushed for infanticide in the Illinois senate; anyone who pulls the lever for a dmokrat president is either pro-abortion or just plain dumb.
The same goes for the promotion of the sin of abortion and gay marriage; a person is either fer it or agin it, and they who vote a demokratic president are either fer it or just plain dumb.
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/13/2008 2:18:25 PM
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As a pro life democrat, I hope this spreads thoughout the party and we return to the democratic party of my parents and grandparents.
Me too, but this thread has shown that Republicans only want to believe that we are all pro-choice, therefore easier to demonize, therefore easier to scare people into doing what the Republican power tells them to do.
Are you for greater protection of the environment? Are you for troop withdraw from Iraq? Well, you can't vote that way or else you'll be a baby killer!
Simple question... Do you vote for people that champion abortion? How is being a pro-life Democrat matter if you are voting for pro-abortion candidates. And even the pro-life Democrats in office vote for leadership that is pro-abortion...
What has the republican party done to stop abortions besides talk about it? Where is the amendment to the Constitution that would stop abortions? Republicans did virtually nothing to change the status quo when they had control of the white house, the congress and senate.
It is easier in my opinion to change the party from within. Do you think a democratic politician cares what a republican thinks? About the same as what a republican politician thinks of a democrats opinion. When members of thier own party call for change, they must listen or face a loss of support.
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/13/2008 2:34:39 PM
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What has the republican party done to stop abortions besides talk about it? Where is the amendment to the Constitution that would stop abortions? Republicans did virtually nothing to change the status quo when they had control of the white house, the congress and senate.
It is easier in my opinion to change the party from within. Do you think a democratic politician cares what a republican thinks? About the same as what a republican politician thinks of a democrats opinion. When members of thier own party call for change, they must listen or face a loss of support.
When ever bills were brought up, they were filibustered and could not be overridden because the majority was not sufficient.
President Bush has used as much "Executive Order" power as possible in this area.
You want something done elect McCain and a veto proof Republican congress and then sit back and watch.
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/13/2008 5:03:23 PM
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When ever bills were brought up, they were filibustered and could not be overridden because the majority was not sufficient.
President Bush has used as much "Executive Order" power as possible in this area.
You want something done elect McCain and a veto proof Republican congress and then sit back and watch.
What laws were stalled in the Senate from January 2001 through Jan 2007? To get an amendment passed one of two things need to happen - you need 2/3 House, Senate, President to sign and for 2/3rds of the states to jump on. That won't ever happen. Or we would need for the states to call another Constitutional Convention which I pray never happens because of the wackos.
So why don't the various state houses keep sending laws up that force a decision? I don't believe there is a filibuster rule in either of Ohio's 2 Houses and we had Republicans in control of all three through 2006. As a matter of fact if they could have pulled it off we may have even elected a governor who was in favor of banning ALL abortion. Instead we had the Big *8* Bob Taft (8 was his approval rating) who was without question the worst governor of my lifetime- even worse than Dick Celeste. Picture Strickland going up against the GOP here in '06 after the Republicans forced and bullied there way to try and get some kind of law passed that potentially could have forced another look at Roe. Instead the big winds of the GOP were licking their wounds in ineptitude, incompetence and scandal and Strickland cleaned house.
There were other states to that could have passed laws or attempted to pass laws. Talk is cheap and so is Republican resistance to Roe.
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/13/2008 6:06:20 PM
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What has the republican party done to stop abortions besides talk about it? Where is the amendment to the Constitution that would stop abortions? Republicans did virtually nothing to change the status quo when they had control of the white house, the congress and senate.
It is easier in my opinion to change the party from within. Do you think a democratic politician cares what a republican thinks? About the same as what a republican politician thinks of a democrats opinion. When members of thier own party call for change, they must listen or face a loss of support.
I don't look to the Republican Party for the answer, yet I don't believe voting for those who champion the cause of abortion is the answer either...
For the record those neck deep in abortion believe the somebody is at least attempting something since they balk at the slightest bit of restriction regarding abortion. Who and what are the abortion providers, feminist and many in the Democratic Party afraid of if the Republicans are really doing anything?
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/14/2008 2:32:12 AM
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Sovereign,
Slightly off-topic: But is that Dr. "House" in your picture? Didn't he promote a pro-abortion view on one of his episodes?
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/14/2008 2:36:47 AM
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As a pro life democrat, I hope this spreads thoughout the party and we return to the democratic party of my parents and grandparents.
Me too, but this thread has shown that Republicans only want to believe that we are all pro-choice, therefore easier to demonize, therefore easier to scare people into doing what the Republican power tells them to do.
Are you for greater protection of the environment? Are you for troop withdraw from Iraq? Well, you can't vote that way or else you'll be a baby killer!
Your intellectual ancestors voted for people who wanted slavery.
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/14/2008 9:13:51 AM
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Sovereign,
Slightly off-topic: But is that Dr. "House" in your picture? Didn't he promote a pro-abortion view on one of his episodes?
The fictional character?
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/14/2008 11:54:14 AM
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As a pro life democrat, I hope this spreads thoughout the party and we return to the democratic party of my parents and grandparents.
Me too, but this thread has shown that Republicans only want to believe that we are all pro-choice, therefore easier to demonize, therefore easier to scare people into doing what the Republican power tells them to do.
Are you for greater protection of the environment? Are you for troop withdraw from Iraq? Well, you can't vote that way or else you'll be a baby killer!
Your intellectual ancestors voted for people who wanted slavery.
And yours voted to kill Civil Rights in 1960's America. Who cares about then? We're talking about now, and the reality that abortion is not the only life or death issue facing this world.
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/14/2008 12:05:58 PM
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As a pro life democrat, I hope this spreads thoughout the party and we return to the democratic party of my parents and grandparents.
Me too, but this thread has shown that Republicans only want to believe that we are all pro-choice, therefore easier to demonize, therefore easier to scare people into doing what the Republican power tells them to do.
Are you for greater protection of the environment? Are you for troop withdraw from Iraq? Well, you can't vote that way or else you'll be a baby killer!
Your intellectual ancestors voted for people who wanted slavery.
And yours voted to kill Civil Rights in 1960's America. Who cares about then? We're talking about now, and the reality that abortion is not the only life or death issue facing this world.
For the record, it was Democrats who opposed civil rights. They are the party of segregation, slavery and the KKK. I have nothing in common with them. Like yesterday, today they demand that poor black children go to the worst schools government can create.
I desire civil rights for everyone, not just those who can escape abortionists.
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/14/2008 12:18:43 PM
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For the record, it was Democrats who opposed civil rights. They are the party of segregation, slavery and the KKK. I have nothing in common with them. Like yesterday, today they demand that poor black children go to the worst schools government can create.
I desire civil rights for everyone, not just those who can escape abortionists.
Is it fun rewriting history? Allright then, I'll let you have your fantasies.
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/14/2008 12:30:47 PM
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For the record, it was Democrats who opposed civil rights. They are the party of segregation, slavery and the KKK. I have nothing in common with them. Like yesterday, today they demand that poor black children go to the worst schools government can create.
I desire civil rights for everyone, not just those who can escape abortionists.
Is it fun rewriting history? Allright then, I'll let you have your fantasies.
History...
Civil Rights Act vote 1964... Clearly the majority of Republicans were for the Act...
By party
The original House version:[9]
* Democratic Party: 152-96 (61%-39%)
* Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)
The Senate version:[9]
* Democratic Party: 46-21 (69%-31%)
* Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)
The Senate version, voted on by the House:[9]
* Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%-37%)
* Republican Party: 136-35 (80%-20%)
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/14/2008 6:32:25 PM
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Sovereign,
Slightly off-topic: But is that Dr. "House" in your picture? Didn't he promote a pro-abortion view on one of his episodes?
The fictional character?
I may be wrong, but it kinda looks like him.
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/14/2008 7:18:51 PM
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Sovereign,
Slightly off-topic: But is that Dr. "House" in your picture? Didn't he promote a pro-abortion view on one of his episodes?
The fictional character?
I may be wrong, but it kinda looks like him.
I think Dr. House did promote pro-abortion views...or so I think I remember him doing that...probably more than once. I believe in one episode he admitted that the believed it was a life, but that she should abort to save herself.
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/14/2008 9:10:30 PM
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What?
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RE: PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS - 9/14/2008 9:20:56 PM
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I think Sovereign IS Hugh Laurie (Dr. House)... and he's just messing with us.
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