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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 9:30:45 AM
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I think she sounded like she was just repeating lines she was given
That's why they call them politicians
I agree, but that's why she was picked -- to not be just a "politician." I am willing to forgive her inexperience, if she brings her outsider mentality to the table.
I am a firm believer that it sometimes takes people who don't have the "bona fides" to be willing to ask the "dumb" question that might lead to an interesting and new solution. That is why her inexperience doesn't bother me, she brings the perspective of an outsider who wants to find the best solution rather than the status quo.
Since that's presumably why she was chosen, let her do that! I think she was overcoached, and probably would have done better if they just let her do it naturally.
The interview did not sway me from voting for her and McCain, but I will admit that I was a little disappointed in it. Some one else said B to B- and I would agree, maybe even as low as C+.
But, I thought it was interesting that they aired her weakest area first; I'd like to see how she responds to other areas like the economy, which I think she will bring a good perspective to.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 9:35:05 AM
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Was the invasion of Iraq, a country that posed no military threat to the United States, a "left-wing invention"?
Obviously the invasion was real, but the point is that the name is not in common usage. Gibson felt like it had a very specific meaning, but in talking to coworkers this morning, NONE of them had heard of that term.
I didn't know what he meant by the term, and from what I can tell from talking to others, I am not alone in that.
EVERY industry/field/etc. has "insider jargon" they use, and often use differently from everyone else, so this is one thing I would give her a pass on.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 9:40:25 AM
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Well. At least the media will know more about Palin than they will about Obama.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 9:46:59 AM
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There's inexperience, and there's ignorance. She's got a heaping helping of both, when it comes to the level of knowledge and experience needed for a position of this magnitude.
I was really hoping perhaps this interview would get a serious election back on track, but it just increased the mystification as to how people can take her seriously as a candidate for vice president of the United States of America (outside of how "cool" she is). It'd be downright laughable, if the stakes weren't so high.
...let's not forget that she did actually mention that if Georgia becomes part of NATO and Russia attacks it, we may have to go to war with Russia.
Ilan Goldenberg, the policy director of the National Security Network put it bluntly:
"No sane American or European leader would ever, ever, ever give an answer like that.
You do not get into hypotheticals about nuclear war. You just don't. Palin references the Cold War. The only reason the Cold War stayed cold is because our leaders understood the stakes of getting things wrong and saying things that could lead to catastrophic nuclear war.
During the Cuban Missile Crisis every word, every public statement, and any message that the Kennedy administration sent to the Soviets was checked, double checked, and triple checked to make sure it was sending precisely the right signal. This is what you are forced to do when you have thousands of nuclear weapons and so does your opponent. The stakes are simply too high.
And yet there is a nominee for the vice presidency of the United States who may one day have her hand on the button and she is casually talking about potential catastrophic nuclear war."
And ya know, if you're going to use your faith as a platform, then stick to it. But don't backtrack and try to downplay it.
Whether I agree or disagree with her policies, faith, etc. I definately do not agree with how her campaign is being run.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 9:50:49 AM
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There's inexperience, and there's ignorance. She's got a heaping helping of both, when it comes to the level of knowledge and experience needed for a position of this magnitude.
I was really hoping perhaps this interview would get a serious election back on track, but it just increased the mystification as to how people can take her seriously as a candidate for vice president of the United States of America (outside of how "cool" she is). It'd be downright laughable, if the stakes weren't so high.
...let's not forget that she did actually mention that if Georgia becomes part of NATO and Russia attacks it, we may have to go to war with Russia.
Ilan Goldenberg, the policy director of the National Security Network put it bluntly:
"No sane American or European leader would ever, ever, ever give an answer like that.
You do not get into hypotheticals about nuclear war. You just don't. Palin references the Cold War. The only reason the Cold War stayed cold is because our leaders understood the stakes of getting things wrong and saying things that could lead to catastrophic nuclear war.
During the Cuban Missile Crisis every word, every public statement, and any message that the Kennedy administration sent to the Soviets was checked, double checked, and triple checked to make sure it was sending precisely the right signal. This is what you are forced to do when you have thousands of nuclear weapons and so does your opponent. The stakes are simply too high.
And yet there is a nominee for the vice presidency of the United States who may one day have her hand on the button and she is casually talking about potential catastrophic nuclear war."
I agree. Those comments were idiotic.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 9:54:13 AM
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...let's not forget that she did actually mention that if Georgia becomes part of NATO and Russia attacks it, we may have to go to war with Russia.
Ilan Goldenberg, the policy director of the National Security Network put it bluntly:
"No sane American or European leader would ever, ever, ever give an answer like that.
Then Ilan Goldenberg (whoever that is) does not know diddly about NATO and the membership agreements.
For Ms. Palin spoke the absolute truth about it.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 9:57:20 AM
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Whether I agree or disagree with her policies, faith, etc. I definately do not agree with how her campaign is being run.
You do realize it's not her campain right? and that she is not running for President?
Do you think you are able to contrast her views with those of BO? or even the failed ideas of Biden?
Are you able to articulate and explain the "level and knowledge and experience that is needed for a position of that magnitude?"
Yep that's right, I called your bluff.
Or are you not up to that and prefer just to fling insults?
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 10:10:57 AM
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...let's not forget that she did actually mention that if Georgia becomes part of NATO and Russia attacks it, we may have to go to war with Russia.
Ilan Goldenberg, the policy director of the National Security Network put it bluntly:
"No sane American or European leader would ever, ever, ever give an answer like that.
Then Ilan Goldenberg (whoever that is) does not know diddly about NATO and the membership agreements.
For Ms. Palin spoke the absolute truth about it.
Thsnks
RC
She may be factually correct. That doesn't mean that she should not have exercised more discretion and wisdom when shaping her answers. Such blunt, confrontational comments can have disastrous consequences. If you're pro-family and pro-life, how would that jive with potentially instigating a war with Russia?
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 10:13:00 AM
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There is a real problem with the VP candidate getting more attention than the candidate himself.
I realize that the American people want to get to know her. I just think that in order to get to know her, she needs to speak for herself, not a rehearsed question and answer session. The people would rather hear her say, I don't know than to hear her jumble words in attempts to save face.
I'm looking for a real candidate that says what they believe without fear of repercussions from public criticism.
With her, I now see that she plays to what she thinks the people want to hear. I did not hear sincerity. I did not see her standing up for what she believes.
If she plays politics to tickle ears, that means she does the same with her faith.
I notice the same with all of them, not exclusively just her. I don't want people without backbone running this country. And yes, I know, it will be a cold day......before that happens.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 10:18:49 AM
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She may be factually correct. That doesn't mean that she should not have exercised more discretion and wisdom when shaping her answers. Such blunt, confrontational comments can have disastrous consequences. If you're pro-family and pro-life, how would that jive with potentially instigating a war with Russia?
-Dan.
Personally I like straightforward blunt truthful statements.
All this wishy washy spin, and inuendo that most politicians puke out is very problamatic.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 10:22:42 AM
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I notice the same with all of them, not exclusively just her.
However, she is the only one that deserves your incessant, unabridged verbal berating ?
I realize from your other posts you do not consider yourself conservative.
Do you consider yourself fair?
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 10:25:29 AM
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Was the invasion of Iraq, a country that posed no military threat to the United States, a "left-wing invention"?
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Obviously the invasion was real, but the point is that the name is not in common usage. Gibson felt like it had a very specific meaning, but in talking to coworkers this morning, NONE of them had heard of that term.
A vice presidential candidate should be familiar with the doctrine used to support the Iraq war...a war in which she is sending her own son.
...but even more alarming is what she told her son's unit before shipping off to Iraq:
"You'll be there to defend the innocent from the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the deaths of thousands of Americans because America can never go back to that false sense of security before September 11, 2001," link
...even the Bush Administration has abandoned the idea that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. It angers me that a governor would continue to propagate this falsehood...especially to troops who are about to put their lives on the line.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 10:26:06 AM
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She may be factually correct. That doesn't mean that she should not have exercised more discretion and wisdom when shaping her answers. Such blunt, confrontational comments can have disastrous consequences. If you're pro-family and pro-life, how would that jive with potentially instigating a war with Russia?
-Dan.
Personally I like straightforward blunt truthful statements.
All this wishy washy spin, and inuendo that most politicians puke out is very problamatic.
Thanks
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In general, I agree with you. But it's a different ballgame when dealing with complex foreign issues and foreign powers that have the ability (and occasional desire) to mess us up pretty badly.
-Dan.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 10:28:17 AM
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I wonder what makes some of you on this thread experts about foreign policy?
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 10:30:05 AM
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Sarah is an expert on oil. That is her thing so to speak. Because we transfere so much of our wealth to other countries I believe we need an expert in the whitehouse on that issue. I do see how that if a foundational issue for this country.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 10:30:22 AM
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Such blunt, confrontational comments can have disastrous consequences.
-Dan.
True, I would expect a statement like this from someone like Henry Kissinger,,,, but from you? Who are you? What is your vocation in life Dan?
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 10:31:35 AM
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She may be factually correct. That doesn't mean that she should not have exercised more discretion and wisdom when shaping her answers. Such blunt, confrontational comments can have disastrous consequences. If you're pro-family and pro-life, how would that jive with potentially instigating a war with Russia?
She didn't say anything about 'instigating' a war with Russia - she was talking about our response to Russia instigating a war by attacking a NATO partner, in this case hypothetically Georgia. That is after all the purpose of NATO.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 10:38:35 AM
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I was disappointed by the interview. She was all hyped up to be a straight talking woman. Her answers were rehearsed and she repeated like a Mina bird what and how she was to answer. We did not get to see who she really is but who the campaign wants her to be. My position has not been swayed.
Harsh
I agree with Deedee Meyers (former Clinton Press Secretary) comments this a.m. She said if you like Palin, you'll think she did pretty well, but the other party will most likely say she didn't convince anyone she is ready.
I personally think she has high intelligence and can adjust to any steep learning curve presented her, she has demonstrated that in spades.
I think that is why Democrats are focusing so much on destroying her early before she builds up steam. She can probably become in 3 years what took Hillary a life time to achieve.
Hope you're sitting down because I basically agree. We McCain supporters need to get her down from the pedestal. McCain needs to move past using her celebrity as a major campaign tool. he is not acting like the head of the ticket and seems to be letting her carry the load. He got the bump from her nomination, but she needs to settle into the number two slot and catch up on areas where she is less proficient. Baracudda is a quick study, but needs some time.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 10:49:54 AM
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And ya know, if you're going to use your faith as a platform, then stick to it. But don't backtrack and try to downplay it.
I caught that too - and it makes me wonder WHY she would so eagerly backflip away from her earlier position, and just how serious IS her faith if she is willing to deny it so easily?
More to the point, if she's willing to start denying the parts of her statements that have not already been shown to be lies, how trustworthy IS she in anything she says?
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 10:52:15 AM
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A vice presidential candidate should be familiar with the doctrine used to support the Iraq war...a war in which she is sending her own son.
...but even more alarming is what she told her son's unit before shipping off to Iraq:
"You'll be there to defend the innocent from the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the deaths of thousands of Americans because America can never go back to that false sense of security before September 11, 2001," link
...even the Bush Administration has abandoned the idea that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. It angers me that a governor would continue to propagate this falsehood...especially to troops who are about to put their lives on the line.
wing2000,
Actually, her statement is correct in the present tense. It may not have been correct 7 years ago, but the same terrorist bunch from 9/11 is now definitely in Iraq.
Ya might start asking just how that happened, since the Hussein government and al Qaeda were bitter enemies. Gee, what could have changed...let me think...oh yeah. George Bush and his playing with human beings as if they were his private set of toy soldiers happened.
Once you face up to that fact, try to make a convincing argument for electing someone who is 95% likely to carry on that tradition of failed decision-making.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 10:56:01 AM
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I did not like the way the interview was staged, she looked almost like she was cowering in front of Gibson.
I did not like that she purposefully avoided the question about crossing into Pakistan three times, when a simple yes would have sufficed.
The video was also horribly edited, leaving one to wonder what was left out.
Not a great first interview, but not one that wil do her much harm either. I'm hoping she gets her media legs by the time the ext one rolls around...
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 11:01:38 AM
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A vice presidential candidate should be familiar with the doctrine used to support the Iraq war...a war in which she is sending her own son.
...but even more alarming is what she told her son's unit before shipping off to Iraq:
"You'll be there to defend the innocent from the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the deaths of thousands of Americans because America can never go back to that false sense of security before September 11, 2001," link
...even the Bush Administration has abandoned the idea that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. It angers me that a governor would continue to propagate this falsehood...especially to troops who are about to put their lives on the line.
wing2000,
Actually, her statement is correct in the present tense. It may not have been correct 7 years ago, but the same terrorist bunch from 9/11 is now definitely in Iraq.
Al-Qaeda in Iraq is different to Bin Laden's Al-Qaeda. Bin Laden's Al-Qaeda is not in Iraq, all intelligence leads to them being in Pakistan. But even so, the US is not fighting Al-Qaeda in Iraq. I believe the statistic is that Al-Qaeda in Iraq make up for 5% of the Iraqi insurgency. We aren't fighting anyone who was responsible for 9/11. Everyone responsible for 9/11, expect Osama Bin Laden, is either dead or detained.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 11:02:02 AM
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In general, I agree with you. But it's a different ballgame when dealing with complex foreign issues and foreign powers that have the ability (and occasional desire) to mess us up pretty badly.
-Dan.
About "Secret" things, but the agreements of the NATO countries is public and has been so since it was formed way back when.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 11:04:40 AM
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...even the Bush Administration has abandoned the idea that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. It angers me that a governor would continue to propagate this falsehood...especially to troops who are about to put their lives on the line.
And she was 100% correct; Who are we fighting in Irag at the present time which is what she is referring to. We are fighting Al Queda, and winning by the way.
Al Queda planned the 911 attacks and they and those who support them are the ones being fought in Irag.
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