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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 11:44:49 AM
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 12:42:09 PM
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So far, I have only seen the first installment of the interview with Charlie Gibson, but she did great!!!! She was fantastic and she is very sharp.
This woman has been so underestimated by so many...
i disagree that she was "fantastic". She did ok in some areas, but it is clear she wasn't very well prepared. It definitely wasn't a home-run and very obvious that she is weaker without a script written for her. I suppose with all the low expectations of her, then you can say compared to that she was "fantastic". She definitely isn't someone they can send out on all the Sunday shows just yet. She needs to keep cramming like a college student before finals.
But I really do think McCain needs to stop hiding behind her and trying to skate on her celebrity. Last time I checked, this is a McCain-palin ticket and not Palin-McCain. I'd like to get more focus on McCain.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 1:27:55 PM
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Al Queda planned the 911 attacks and they and those who support them are the ones being fought in Irag.
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COMPLETELY INCORRECT.
Iraqis of both the Sunni and Shia sects got fed up with non-Iraq Arab fighters who were wreaking havoc and they turned on them. Even so, "Al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia" was never an official or actual branch of the original Al-Qaeda.
Furthermore, the only reason foreign insurgents ever gained any foothold in Iraq - and statistically, they were always a small number if compared to Iraqi insurgent groups/militias - was the vacuum of power created by the removal of Saddam Hussein's regime. The Baath persecuted Islamic extremists mercilessly and the philosophical worldview of Hussein's government was completely opposed to that espoused by Osama Bin Laden.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 1:28:33 PM
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Someone was talking on the radio this morning about Charlie Gibson's treatment of Sarah Palin as opposed to his demeanor when interviewing Obama. It was said that he looked all chummy with Obama but seemed to be trying to intimidate Palin. Typical leftist liberal bias, perhaps?
If he was trying to intimidate her, I don't think it worked, but the whole solemn-faced-looking-over-his-glasses-and-down-his-nose bit was a tad obvious...
It was also brought up that Obama couldn't articulate what the Bush Doctrine was, either. So before you jump on Sarah, remember that the TOP of the other ticket also got it wrong.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 1:40:57 PM
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A vice presidential candidate should be familiar with the doctrine used to support the Iraq war...a war in which she is sending her own son.
...but even more alarming is what she told her son's unit before shipping off to Iraq:
"You'll be there to defend the innocent from the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the deaths of thousands of Americans because America can never go back to that false sense of security before September 11, 2001," link
...even the Bush Administration has abandoned the idea that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. It angers me that a governor would continue to propagate this falsehood...especially to troops who are about to put their lives on the line.
wing2000,
Actually, her statement is correct in the present tense. It may not have been correct 7 years ago, but the same terrorist bunch from 9/11 is now definitely in Iraq.
Ya might start asking just how that happened, since the Hussein government and al Qaeda were bitter enemies. Gee, what could have changed...let me think...oh yeah. George Bush and his playing with human beings as if they were his private set of toy soldiers happened.
Once you face up to that fact, try to make a convincing argument for electing someone who is 95% likely to carry on that tradition of failed decision-making.
I know that Islamic extremists hate Americans. That includes al Qaeda and Taliban. That translates to them going whereever Americans are to kill them. Guess what: Americans are in Iraq. That is the difference.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 1:44:28 PM
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A vice presidential candidate should be familiar with the doctrine used to support the Iraq war...a war in which she is sending her own son.
...but even more alarming is what she told her son's unit before shipping off to Iraq:
"You'll be there to defend the innocent from the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the deaths of thousands of Americans because America can never go back to that false sense of security before September 11, 2001," link
...even the Bush Administration has abandoned the idea that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. It angers me that a governor would continue to propagate this falsehood...especially to troops who are about to put their lives on the line.
wing2000,
Actually, her statement is correct in the present tense. It may not have been correct 7 years ago, but the same terrorist bunch from 9/11 is now definitely in Iraq.
Ya might start asking just how that happened, since the Hussein government and al Qaeda were bitter enemies. Gee, what could have changed...let me think...oh yeah. George Bush and his playing with human beings as if they were his private set of toy soldiers happened.
Once you face up to that fact, try to make a convincing argument for electing someone who is 95% likely to carry on that tradition of failed decision-making.
I know that Islamic extremists hate Americans. That includes al Qaeda and Taliban. That translates to them going whereever Americans are to kill them. Guess what: Americans are in Iraq. That is the difference.
One wonders whether the actual members of the US military in Iraq approve of your tactic of staking them out as bait.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 1:46:31 PM
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That translates to them going whereever Americans are to kill them. Guess what: Americans are in Iraq. That is the difference.
It seems to me that we could certainly reduce the kill rate by leaving. Getting out of their turf might be a good start....
just sayin...
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 1:59:12 PM
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That translates to them going whereever Americans are to kill them. Guess what: Americans are in Iraq. That is the difference.
It seems to me that we could certainly reduce the kill rate by leaving. Getting out of their turf might be a good start....
just sayin...
Save your energy.
SAveLP pretty well shredded the 'better to fight them in Iraq" argument further up the page, and Wesp chose to throw himself into the brick wall again anyway.
By the way - better to fight them where they ARE, a theory Bush forgot back in 2003 and now doesn't have to worry about, since his error then means that they are everywhere now.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 2:02:42 PM
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A vice presidential candidate should be familiar with the doctrine used to support the Iraq war...a war in which she is sending her own son.
...but even more alarming is what she told her son's unit before shipping off to Iraq:
"You'll be there to defend the innocent from the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the deaths of thousands of Americans because America can never go back to that false sense of security before September 11, 2001," link
...even the Bush Administration has abandoned the idea that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. It angers me that a governor would continue to propagate this falsehood...especially to troops who are about to put their lives on the line.
wing2000,
Actually, her statement is correct in the present tense. It may not have been correct 7 years ago, but the same terrorist bunch from 9/11 is now definitely in Iraq.
Ya might start asking just how that happened, since the Hussein government and al Qaeda were bitter enemies. Gee, what could have changed...let me think...oh yeah. George Bush and his playing with human beings as if they were his private set of toy soldiers happened.
Once you face up to that fact, try to make a convincing argument for electing someone who is 95% likely to carry on that tradition of failed decision-making.
I know that Islamic extremists hate Americans. That includes al Qaeda and Taliban. That translates to them going whereever Americans are to kill them. Guess what: Americans are in Iraq. That is the difference.
One wonders whether the actual members of the US military in Iraq approve of your tactic of staking them out as bait.
I can tell you were never in the military because calling them "bait" is an incendiary slap in the face at our military. I doubt you would say that to the face of my marine nephew who has been in Iraq or any other marine.... type is cheap. They understand the fight is coming to them and why, and in many cases they take it to those who desire to harm us here at home.
There you go again, redefining people's post by spinning it to a different meaning than intended , you did it with mine and now you are doing it again.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 2:22:36 PM
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I know that Islamic extremists hate Americans. That includes al Qaeda and Taliban. That translates to them going whereever Americans are to kill them. Guess what: Americans are in Iraq. That is the difference.
"that translates to them (Al-Qaeda and Taliban) going wherever Americas are to kill them... Americans are in Iraq."
Factual error #1: the Taliban is not and has never been in Iraq.
Factual error #2: just as RCJames earlier, you appear to think that the Al-Qaeda of Osama Bin Laden is in Iraq. It is not and has never been. Any fringe group, whether of a few dozen or five or four angry men can make a video, put on masks, wield AK-47s, and use the rubric "al-Qaeda." This doesn't mean they are actual soldiers of Bin Laden.
"Al-Qaeda in Iraq" or "Al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia" is at best very remotely related or linked to the Al-Qaeda we should have been hunting relentlessly since September 11, 2001. AQI/AQM never numbered more than a few thousand men; they, and whatever other ragtag non-Iraqi Arab fighters who engaged in violence in Iraq, could not possibly ever have hoped to hold over 100,000 combat troops of the planet's finest military to a standstill. The bulk of the fighting our soldiers encountered were against Iraqi insurgents, many if not most of them former soldiers of the Iraqi army from the Hussein era (which L. Paul Bremer III infuriated with his decision to disband the Baath-era military).
Moreover, these external combatants were able to even enter Iraq, let alone to wage war, only because the Baath government was deposed. The Baaths were notorious in the Arab world for their secularism and their opposition to Islamic extremists.
Sunni and Shia Iraqis realized they hated these foreign non-Iraq Arab fighters even more than they hated our soldiers for the very important fact that, while small in number, these outside belligerents opted for "spectacular" tactics, such as the bombing of the Al-Askari Mosque, which enraged Iraqi Shiites. And while US troops' work was significant - paying off former insurgents, etc. - we can credit Iraqis for fighting off the incorrectly named yet so unnecessarily feared and mythologized "Al-Qaeda in Iraq," which were never and will never be one and the same with the Al-Qaeda that George W. Bush's so-called war on terror all but forgot about beginning on March 19, 2003.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 2:25:21 PM
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There is a real problem with the VP candidate getting more attention than the candidate himself.
I realize that the American people want to get to know her. I just think that in order to get to know her, she needs to speak for herself, not a rehearsed question and answer session. The people would rather hear her say, I don't know than to hear her jumble words in attempts to save face.
I'm looking for a real candidate that says what they believe without fear of repercussions from public criticism.
With her, I now see that she plays to what she thinks the people want to hear. I did not hear sincerity. I did not see her standing up for what she believes.
If she plays politics to tickle ears, that means she does the same with her faith.
I notice the same with all of them, not exclusively just her. I don't want people without backbone running this country. And yes, I know, it will be a cold day......before that happens.
She's not playing politics - she's playing second fiddle for now to McCain - that's what she's supposed to do! As I said elsewhere, it's not about her, or it's not supposed to be. The media, and to some extent the campaign, are perpetuating this and she's getting into an impossible position. She has to promote McCain's agenda and McCain's policies. Whatever nuances differ from her own are not important right now. It's really not important for us to get to know her past the VP role right now - and that role is back up for McCain. I do think the campaign rode the tide of the bump from her announcement, now they're going to have to move past that quickly or this whole thing (the election, not just his campaign) could be completely derailed. It's going to be hard because we all know the media would just as soon keep it spiralling out of control like it is right now.
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A vice presidential candidate should be familiar with the doctrine used to support the Iraq war...a war in which she is sending her own son.
It's not a doctrine!! And this illustrates my point about the mainstream media thinking they're running this show and even calling policy. The "Bush Doctrine" is a fabricated, derogatory (in intention) term given to Bush's rational. I'm a bit surprised both Obama and Palin didn't know what it was, real or not. But it's also entirely possible that she (and maybe both of them) would rather not have dignified it with an answer the way it was posed and a matter of policy which it most certainly never was. Palin very well may have known exactly what he was talking about, IMO...but, if she did, I wish she'd called him on it - so I guess she didn't. I wonder, though, what her answer would've been if he'd asked about the National Security Strategy of the NSC which is real and is policy - but sounds too official and important, probably for the media so they prefer the snidely talk about the "Bush Doctrine" like he's been making this stuff up. It's really gotten out of control.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 2:27:12 PM
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"that translates to them (Al-Qaeda and Taliban) going wherever Americas are to kill them... Americans are in Iraq."
Factual error #1: the Taliban is not and has never been in Iraq.
Factual error #2: just as RCJames earlier, you appear to think that the Al-Qaeda of Osama Bin Laden is in Iraq. It is not and has never been. Any fringe group, whether of a few dozen or five or four angry men can make a video, put on masks, wield AK-47s, and use the rubric "al-Qaeda." This doesn't mean they are actual soldiers of Bin Laden.
"Al-Qaeda in Iraq" or "Al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia" is at best very remotely related or linked to the Al-Qaeda we should have been hunting relentlessly since September 11, 2001. AQI/AQM never numbered more than a few thousand men; they, and whatever other ragtag non-Iraqi Arab fighters who engaged in violence in Iraq, could not possibly ever have hoped to hold over 100,000 combat troops of the planet's finest military to a standstill. The bulk of the fighting our soldiers encountered were against Iraqi insurgents, many if not most of them former soldiers of the Iraqi army from the Hussein era (which L. Paul Bremer III infuriated with his decision to disband the Baath-era military).
Sunni and Shia Iraqis realized they hated these foreign non-Iraq Arab fighters even more than they hated our soldiers for the very important fact that, while small in number, these outside belligerents opted for "spectacular" tactics, such as the bombing of the Al-Askari Mosque, which enraged Iraqi Shiites. And while US troops' work was significant - paying off former insurgents, etc. - we can credit Iraqis for fighting off the incorrectly named yet so unnecessarily feared and mythologized "Al-Qaeda in Iraq," which were never and will never be one and the same with the Al-Qaeda that George W. Bush's so-called war on terror all but forgot about beginning on March 19, 2003.
So you would contend Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was unrelated to Bin Laden's Al-Qaeda?
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 2:38:19 PM
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Factual error #1: the Taliban is not and has never been in Iraq.
I did not make that statement, so....what is your point?I used them as examples of extremists. You made them into something different.
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Factual error #2: just as RCJames earlier, you appear to think that the Al-Qaeda of Osama Bin Laden is in Iraq. It is not and has never been. Any fringe group, whether of a few dozen or five or four angry men can make a video, put on masks, wield AK-47s, and use the rubric "al-Qaeda." This doesn't mean they are actual soldiers of Bin Laden.
So they do not cooperate or agree in any way? How can you or anyone else know exactly which individuals were or are associated with him? That is near to claiming omniscience as far as I can tell. They have most of the same beliefs, so how do you rationalize your argument?
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 2:43:05 PM
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I did not make that statement, so....what is your point?I used them as examples of extremists. You made them into something different.
You lumped the Taliban w/ Al-Qaeda.
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So they do not cooperate or agree in any way? How can you or anyone else know exactly which individuals were or are associated with him? That is near to claiming omniscience as far as I can tell. They have most of the same beliefs, so how do you rationalize your argument?
PROVE that Osama Bin Laden's Al-Qaeda is sending money, resources, etc., to Islamic extremists from outside Iraq who entered Iraq after we took down Saddam. All you've done is insinuate that they are all one and the same. Things are far more complex than that.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 2:51:40 PM
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 3:10:26 PM
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Didn't Obama suggest he would support invading Pakistan, our ally? That's pretty stupid, too. So is negotiating with terrorists like....Ahc...Acma....Achma....that crazy Iranian without pre-conditions. He wants to do that, too. Just pointing out the double standards.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 5:12:11 PM
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During the Cuban Missile Crisis every word, every public statement, and any message that the Kennedy administration sent to the Soviets was checked, double checked, and triple checked to make sure it was sending precisely the right signal. This is what you are forced to do when you have thousands of nuclear weapons and so does your opponent. The stakes are simply too high.
And yet there is a nominee for the vice presidency of the United States who may one day have her hand on the button and she is casually talking about potential catastrophic nuclear war."
For those of you making the argument that Palin might be president look at that statement regarding Kennedy again. It states that everything that came out of his administration was checked, double-checked and triple-checked. Do you not think that the same thing would be the case with Palin IF Georgia were part of NATO and IF Russia attacked?
Secondly, article 5 of the The North Atlantic Treaty specifically states:
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The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security . The North Atlantic Treaty
Thirdly, Palin did not say she would attack, her exact response was:
So under the NATO alliance, Gibson asked, would the United States have to go to war in response to a Russian invasion of Georgia?
"Perhaps so," she responded. "I mean, that is the agreement when you are a NATO ally, is if another country is attacked, you're going to be expected to be called upon and help."
She said "perhaps" meaning that it could come to that, she did not say "absolutely", "definitely", "you betcha cowboy!" She said "perhaps".
The treaty states that members may use such action as it deems necessary
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 5:24:01 PM
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...at the end of the day, her interview did not instill any confidence that she has the experience and knowledge to complete the duties of Vice President. Frankly, how could any one expect her to?
John McCain made an irresponsible decision in selecting her as VP. Secretary of Energy would have been a more appropriate position.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 7:07:47 PM
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I just watched the second part of the interview, and I think she did much better.
I especially liked when she said her life as a candidate is an open book, and she will tell people her personal opinion, and that people should realize it may not always be the same as "official policy."
Frankly, that is what I am looking to her for -- her views, not the official party line.
She seemed more relaxed and more willing to speak her mind in this one.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 7:08:22 PM
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Do you not mean ask her three times to try and get her to say what he wanted her to say.
When Gibson brought up the Bush Doctrine, Palin had no idea what he was talking about. Otherwise, why did she have to ask "You mean his world view"?
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The so-called "Bush Doctrine" doesn't exist. It is a liberal invention!
If you believe that, I have a very large parcel of land in ANWR to sell you.
No matter what one calls it, the Bush Doctrine sums up the entire reason the White House ordered an invasion of Iraq (dumb) and Afghanistan (no-brainer).
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 8:18:41 PM
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Do you not mean ask her three times to try and get her to say what he wanted her to say.
When Gibson brought up the Bush Doctrine, Palin had no idea what he was talking about. Otherwise, why did she have to ask "You mean his world view"?
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The so-called "Bush Doctrine" doesn't exist. It is a liberal invention!
If you believe that, I have a very large parcel of land in ANWR to sell you.
No matter what one calls it, the Bush Doctrine sums up the entire reason the White House ordered an invasion of Iraq (dumb) and Afghanistan (no-brainer).
Oh the pompous piety of the faith forum world experts.
And the REAL answer is Todd, ,,, there were 4 Bush doctrines and Charlie didn't even get it right.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/12/AR2008091202457.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
Why do so many people on here pretend to know things they don't?
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 9:18:16 PM
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And the REAL answer is Todd, ,,, there were 4 Bush doctrines and Charlie didn't even get it right.
Oh Lord, talk about splitting hairs.
All of the doctrinal philosophies that Krauthammer cites are parts of the same whole.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/12/2008 9:34:43 PM
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Oh Lord, talk about whittling hairs.
All of the doctrinal philosophies that Krauthammer cites are parts of the same whole.
todd - it's not whittling hairs- there is no definitive 'Bush Doctrrine'. From th Washington Post:
What Is the Bush Doctrine, Anyway?
Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin's evident cluelessness when asked in an interview yesterday if she agreed with the Bush Doctrine is appropriately being seen as emblematic of her ignorance of foreign policy.
But as it happens, I'm not sure anyone is entirely clear on what the Bush Doctrine is at this particular moment.
When Palin asked ABC anchor Charlie Gibson what he meant by the Bush Doctrine, Gibson clarifed: "The Bush doctrine, enunciated September 2002, before the Iraq war." That should have helped. After it was obvious Palin still didn't know what he was talking about, Gibson ventured further: "The Bush doctrine, as I understand it, is that we have the right of anticipatory self-defense, that we have the right to a preemptive strike against any other country that we think is going to attack us. Do you agree with that?"
Palin's reply: "If there is legitimate and enough intelligence that tells us that a strike is imminent against American people, we have every right to defend our country. In fact, the president has the obligation, the duty to defend."
But Gibson was making a common error, and what Palin said in her response did not actually address what was so radical about Bush's contribution to American foreign policy. Preemption has in fact been a staple of our foreign policy for ages -- and other countries' as well. The twist Bush put on it was embracing "preventive" war: Taking action well before an attack was imminent -- invading a country that was simply perceived as threatening.
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It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first..
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