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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/17/2008 9:28:56 AM
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cow451
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I agree the editing job on that ABC interview was awful, but can you give me an example of a question Gibson asked Palin which was disrespectful?
Isn't editing out the truth by disolving the context of the answers disrespect enough?
And since you are numb to the ABC inteview edits, it's no surprise you take a distorted view of history as well.
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I hate to break this to you, but Vietnam is technically classified as a "police action" due to no formal declaration of war having been declared by Congress.
By comparison, Grenada was a weekend at Club Med.
I can read.
Well then read this my fellow revisionist, it was more premptive than the Bay of Pigs you conceded as one:
1. This was the first "war" between the U.S. and Cuba. Though some would say that the Bay of Pigs Invasion of 1961 could fall into that category, I do not count it in the category of an "official" shooting war or conflict.
2. Grenada was America's first military victory since well before the Vietnam War.
3. This was the first time since before World War 2 that an avowed Communist/Marxist government had been replaced with a pro-Western one. It should be noted though, that some governments which the United States and her allies claimed were communist (like the Arbenz government of Guatemala and the Mossadegh regime in Iran) did fall due to covert American (CIA) action. Again, I do not count them since they did not officially proclaim allegiance to the communist ideology or become overt allies of other communist nations.
President Reagan and his administration were concerned that the Marxist government of Prime Minister Maurice Bishop was allowing Cuba to gain undue influence in Grenada, specifically by constructing a military-grade airport with Cuban military engineers.
1. The Marxist, pro-Cuban governments of Bishop and Coard were eliminated and a regime friendly to American interests took over.
2. The Reagan Administration proved willing to use force to combat what it considered hostile governments in the area.
3. America's European allies expressed disapproval of the unilateral invasion of Grenada.
4. The invasion sent a message to Cuba and Nicaragua that they could only go so far in exporting revolution in Central America and the Caribbean without provoking an American military response.
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1. Kohn, George C. Dictionary of Wars. New York: Facts On File Publications. 1986.
And if you want to understand the history of the term police action as it does not mean a club med excursion as you imply or else the Korean War would also have been one.
http://www.answers.com/topic/police-action
In summary, If McCain/Palin is elected, hostile leaders will think twice before expanding their influence in our region. If the overtly indecisive, never-taking-a-side Obama is elected with his tweedle dumb side kick who graduated 78 out of 85 in his class, God help us.
What??????????? The US invading Grenada was like USC playing Panama City Community College in football. The "exporting of marxism (just like any political ideology, including democracy) is self-limiting. The USSR was over-extended in Afghanistan and had nothing to offer, especially since Grenada had no strategic significance. The invasion was hastily put together and just happened to take place shortly after the Beruit barracks bombing in the ill-fated US military involvement in Lebanon.
But we are getting off topic.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/17/2008 12:29:00 PM
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She is going to do a second interview, right before the VP debates with Katie Couric.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080917/ap_en_ot/tv_couric_palin
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/17/2008 1:58:10 PM
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She is going to do a second interview, right before the VP debates with Katie Couric.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080917/ap_en_ot/tv_couric_palin
That should be a good one. Katie is a huge liberal Democrat.
Shes also gonna be on Hannity tonight as well.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/17/2008 7:20:46 PM
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Shes also gonna be on Hannity tonight as well.
That should be hilarious (meaning Hannity pretending he's not an RNC flack, or at least for a minute or two).
Too bad I'll be watching the Cubs.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/17/2008 7:47:39 PM
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Shes also gonna be on Hannity tonight as well.
That should be hilarious (meaning Hannity pretending he's not an RNC flack, or at least for a minute or two).
Too bad I'll be watching the Cubs.
Isn't Hannity and Colmes an editorial show? At least I thought it was. Anyway, it was never supposed to be objective reporting.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/17/2008 8:15:15 PM
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Sure, how about when he asked her if it wasn't hubris for her to think she was qualified for the job? Do you think he would ever consider asking Obama that same question?
Obama has been asked that same question by the media - repeatedly.
Why shouldn't Palin be given the same standard of scrutiny?
As a matter of fact, it would be irresponsible not to ask Palin such a question considering the gravity of the position she's running for.
I was referring to the "hubris" comment. I have no problem with her being asked if she thinks she is qualified. I do however have a problem with Gibson asking her if that wasn't being arrogant.
Has anyone ever asked Obama if he was being "hubris" or arrogant in thinking he was qualified to be president? I think not!
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/18/2008 11:38:33 AM
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Sure, how about when he asked her if it wasn't hubris for her to think she was qualified for the job? Do you think he would ever consider asking Obama that same question?
Obama has been asked that same question by the media - repeatedly.
Why shouldn't Palin be given the same standard of scrutiny?
As a matter of fact, it would be irresponsible not to ask Palin such a question considering the gravity of the position she's running for.
I was referring to the "hubris" comment. I have no problem with her being asked if she thinks she is qualified. I do however have a problem with Gibson asking her if that wasn't being arrogant.
Has anyone ever asked Obama if he was being "hubris" or arrogant in thinking he was qualified to be president? I think not!
Wow, I hadn't thought of it that way before. "Are you qualified?" is a fair question. The hubris question is Gibson implying, "Obviously you're not, so how can you say you are?" That's just rude.
(He's of course entitled to his opinion, but he should save it for an editorial.)
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/19/2008 8:39:13 AM
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I'm curious how you supporters of her feel about her statement on Hannity last night, "I think evolution should be taught in schools" comment meshes with your values?
Many of you have taken the position of her High moral s and Christian faith. Yet she supports evolution in the classroom. How is that different from being pro-life?
She supports pro-life because she supports evolution? 
What you are not realizing is that she is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Whether she truly believes in the support of evolution teaching in schools or not remains to be seen, but there is no doubt in my mind that it was a statement to appeal to the non-Christian population.
Or maybe she's just had a coherant thought or two in her lifetime and isn't buying some irrational agenda. Maybe her positions are genuine and if she doesn't buy the whole package of the extreme religious right (the ones who don't think before they speak, just drone on what they've heard elsewhere) because she thinks for herself on these things!
Good grief people! No one's more pro-life and pro-creationism than I am but stop driking the kool-aid! I hate that expression but there's no other way to explain it when people say such ridiculous things.
Evolution and creationism are both scientific theories. Naturally, if you believe in the Bible, you realize creationism is more than that. But what do we really want taught in our schools? Do we want science or religion - and think before you answer! If you say religion, that's all well and good if it's religion according to you - what happens when you're not the majority or the prevailing dominant religion or school of thought - in fact, you're not now so you need to be careful! Trust me, that's not a road you want to go down. Any thinking person knows our children need and deserve to be taught, first and foremost, how to think, not what to think. Evolution and creationism both need to be taught for what they are. That's true in public schools or, IMO, in the private Baptist school my kids attend. I don't want my kids going to college never having had evolution explained to them so that they're blindsided by some mean-spirited liberal professor and they're left equipped with no rational scientific information to counter.
It's really not hard to see why the world sees Christians the way they do.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/19/2008 9:17:12 AM
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The USSR was over-extended in Afghanistan and had nothing to offer,
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especially since Grenada had no strategic significance.
A military airfield is no strategic significance? You are a military strategist now along with being a rocket scientist?
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The invasion was hastily put together and just happened to take place shortly after the Beruit barracks bombing in the ill-fated US military involvement in Lebanon.
Subjective + Irrelevant
Your loose term "involvement" was actually called a "peace keeping force" though in spite of your igorance of what was happening there you may continue to trivialize the U.S. military and the sacrifice they make around the world if you choose to do so. It's obvious you don't even know what was going on there. I was off the coast when the marine barracks was blown up by a terrorist and we took out Syrian missle sites that were hostile to the area as well.
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The "exporting of marxism (just like any political ideology, including democracy) is self-limiting.
I believe I used the term "hostile leaders" NOT "Marxism", perhaps you are debating someone in your head or from some other time and place.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/19/2008 10:56:39 AM
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cow451
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A military airfield is no strategic significance? You are a military strategist now along with being a rocket scientist?
Yup. Our allies were helping build the airfield and Margaret Thatcher opposed the US invasion. If it looked as though the airfield was actually going to be used for military purposes, it could easily have been taken out of service.
Re: Lebanon: I never questioned our motives. But the US did a quick and quiet exit shortly after the barracks bombing (and subsequent tough talk). In the big picture, the US efforts had no lasting impact and Reagan surely recognized the futility. None of this is a slap at the military, so you may want to secure the chip on your shoulder.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/19/2008 4:40:48 PM
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Naturally, if you believe in the Bible, you realize creationism is more than that. But what do we really want taught in our schools? Do we want science or religion - and think before you answer!
How about both?
But that is not what she said. She specifically stated evolution. That is what I have a problem with. Your bolded statement is exactly my thoughts, as a Christian that is what we would advocate, noy advocating the monkey theory!
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/19/2008 5:05:03 PM
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At the risk of starting an evolution debate, evolution is more than just an "ape to human" thing. There are little changes within species that are considered evolution and that are verifiable and repeatable. I didn't see that section of the interview, but even the most ardent 6-day, 24 hours creationist agrees that there is SOME form of evolution. This might've been the type she was referring to when she stated she supports teaching evolution in schools.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/19/2008 5:10:20 PM
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I didn't see that section of the interview, but even the most ardent 6-day, 24 hours creationist agrees that there is SOME form of evolution. This might've been the type she was referring to when she stated she supports teaching evolution in schools.
In all fairness, she didn't specify. I was taken aback though that coming from this woman who has had her faith plastered all over the news would profess this so boldly, without further explanation. Daddy being a science teacher just doesn't cut it as being enough of an answer.
I mention this because I do believe that she will say what pleases the people more so than following her own convictions. It's politics, that's what they do. But so many, believe every word that she says. It's something we need to be leary of. Obama too for that matter.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/19/2008 5:22:36 PM
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"The monkey theory"? That's how we marginalize ourselves and look like kooks.
I didn't see that part of it either but maybe she is concerned about the separation of church and state and doesn't think public schools have any business teaching creationism. I don't agree with that but you could certainly make that argument.
I don't know how it was asked or how it was edited but, she's absolutely right that evolution needs to be taught in schools. How it's taught is the issue and she probably understands this better than any of us by virtue of living with a science teacher most of her life. It's just petty to second guess her on something like this.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/19/2008 5:52:20 PM
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It's just petty to second guess her on something like this.
Really? So it's just petty to say Obama is a muslim too? Or is it petty to expect a leader of our government to say what they mean and mean what they say?
Sorry but her statement doesn't line up with all of her proposed faith, but then again it wouldn't for any professed believer either, without further explanation.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/19/2008 6:09:34 PM
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It's just petty to second guess her on something like this.
Really? So it's just petty to say Obama is a muslim too? Or is it petty to expect a leader of our government to say what they mean and mean what they say?
Sorry but her statement doesn't line up with all of her proposed faith, but then again it wouldn't for any professed believer either, without further explanation.
What says she owes you an explanation of her faith. Just because it might not line up with your list of rules for a "good Christian" doesn't mean she has to live by YOUR rules; it's between her and God. And this is the danger in putting yourself out there like she has. In a way, it really is a no-win situation to be in. I appreciate her beliefs and know she and I share a lot of common ground but I wouldn't be legalistic enough to demand that she meet my requirements on every issue. I'd rather she think for herself than do what she thinks I want her to say or do. If you think you can find a candidate who lives up to "her proposed faith" any better, good luck.
BTW, some of the allegations about Obama being muslim have been pretty petty, yes. But if we need to question his ties to or infinity for Islam it's because they're trying to bomb us!! I don't know of any Assembly of God members who'd like to take down American and kill innocent people!
And it is petty to want her to mean what you want her to mean.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/19/2008 6:22:26 PM
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I also think this issue is really pointless but this is what Sarah Palin has said during a debate when she was running for governor:
Palin was answering a question from the moderator near the conclusion of Wednesday night's televised debate on KAKM Channel 7 when she said, "Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important, and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both."
Here is the link:'Creation science' enters the race
Here is the quote from the Hannity interview:
HANNITY: Did you only want to teach creationism in school and not evolution?
PALIN: No. In fact, growing up in a school teacher's house with a science teacher as a dad, you know, I have great respect for science being taught in our science classes and evolution to be taught in our science classes.
Notice that the question was creationism and NOT evolution.
Her answer was consistent with what she has said before... NO.
The questioning from Hannity was rather rapid and she did not elaborate on her view that she would favor BOTH... but that was not the question she was asked.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/19/2008 6:22:28 PM
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If you think you can find a candidate who lives up to "her proposed faith" any better, good luck.
Hello, this is my point. A big portion of the people who support her have based their support on her pronouncement of her faith, "because she is a good Christian woman....".
If her faith hadn't of been such a focal point for her advocates, then I wouldn't have noticed. When you do put yourself out there, you can expect scrutiny. I do watch what people say and watch to see if their actions line up with it.
This has nothing to do with my "good Christian rules". I simply find it very interesting that faith being one of the talking points for her, others aren't questioning it as well. Or do we have a schism in what we think is ok? Had she of said creationism, her proponents would be singing her praises. Because she didn't, she has been excused rather than held to account.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/19/2008 6:31:08 PM
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Had she of said creationism, her proponents would be singing her praises. Because she didn't, she has been excused rather than held to account.
Nothing was excused, it just wasn't jumped to any unwarranted conclusion or any disconnect automatically read into what she was saying. As Dubya just found for us in the post above, there is no inconsistency.
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RE: Governor Sarah Palin and Her First Interview - 9/19/2008 6:42:11 PM
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I stand corrected. Thank you Dubya.
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