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And that the GOP is toying with a political rattlesnake by touting their intent to overturn Roe through the courts.

Even if it happens, nothing will change - even in states that ban it, those seeking abortions will either go across borders, or underground for local options.

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Well, that is true - but what if that definition is warped?

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In what way would a law against abortion be 'warped'?

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I wasn't speaking toward abortion, per se, just making a point that just because something is deemed illegal it doesn't mean the motives being that law are sensible (or sane).

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Higher standards equate to allowing gay membership and unions recognizes in the church. as well appeasement on abortion, and other things. You speak of standards yet the whole idea is to do away with standards, since that is the real issue, not how people are treated when they express their view.

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Even if it happens, nothing will change - even in states that ban it, those seeking abortions will either go across borders, or underground for local options.

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Establishing laws never stop crimes - they just define them.

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Even if it happens, nothing will change - even in states that ban it, those seeking abortions will either go across borders, or underground for local options.

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Some conservatives (and some liberals) have bought into this American/European brand of Christianity. Ever since Constantine embraced Christianity for political reasons, the centuries that follow our faith has been used as a tool for gaining worldly power, obtaining worldly wealth, an excuse for starting wars, an excuse to oppress others based on race, class and religion, and way to negatively control the masses. I still stick to my opinion that the early Christians were the ones who got it right and many of us (including myself) got so terribly wrong. What we have done to the Christian faith both conservatives and liberals in this country and on this board is embarrassing. We sit here bickering and attacking each other over political figures and political party’s and their respective ideologies and try to equate that to being a Christian or not a Christian. It’s like we have more faith in our party affiliation and political figures than we have in God. Mean spirited? Yes in some ways not only to each other within the body of Christ, but those outside the body of Christ also, all because others don’t support a certain political party or candidate. Conservatives, I hate to break this to you but we by no means have a monopoly on God. Just because many of us are against abortion and gay marriage is not going to get us any closer to Heaven. Our walk is all about our personal relationship with the Father through our Lord & Savior Jesus Christ and loving our friends and enemies. Everything else we do fall under that umbrella. This condescending, mean spirited attitude toward those who may not have the same belief system, opinions or political ideology is not Christian in fact it kind of remind me of the Pharisee. To keep it real and simple as a Christian we are commanded to love God, love our neighbor (friend and enemy), lovingly spread the gospel of Jesus Christ, make new disciples and of course obey. We are suppose to be planters for Jesus by planting those seeds of the gospel to the unbeliever, the back slider, and the unsure and pray that those seeds will grow within their spirit. Its sad that we here on Crosswalk and out in the real world are talking down and talking bad about people who don’t share the same political views, but then to make matters worse we turn around and start questioning people’s salvation, faith and relationship with God. WE don’t have a heaven or hell to put anyone in. That is not our place. WE are not God and honestly, we need to stop trying to be Him. I even say that about myself because there have been those on this board who have ****ed (excuse my language) me off and I have said some things in response I had no business saying. I can see why people outside the body think we are a bunch of mean spirited hypocrites because honestly we are putting ourselves out on Front Street with the way we openly act towards each other and the way we marginalize those outside of what we believe in.

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Even if it happens, nothing will change - even in states that ban it, those seeking abortions will either go across borders, or underground for local options.

My father us to say "locks" were only made to keep honest people out.

The same is true with laws. They are for honest people who want to obey the law. Those who don't want to obey them, break them and we have prisons for those people. People who want to murder do it. The law defines it as wrong and issues punishment for that. Those who are honest citizens obey the law.

I have many friends who if WvR had never happened would have never considered an "illegal" abortion much less going to another country to have one.

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Saying that a law "changes nothing" is completely false. If laws "change nothing" then we should just do away with speed limits, child porn restrictions, and bank robbing laws. Silly.

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That is true. What do you think would happen if there was a general vote held right now to outlaw abortion outright? How about outlawing all abortion except rape and incest? I think the public support is there.

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I wasn't speaking toward abortion, per se, just making a point that just because something is deemed illegal it doesn't mean the motives being that law are sensible (or sane).

I don't think the motives matter all that much - but I would say any law that protects human life is both sensible and sane.

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That is true. What do you think would happen if there was a general vote held right now to outlaw abortion outright? How about outlawing all abortion except rape and incest? I think the public support is there.

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That is true. What do you think would happen if there was a general vote held right now to outlaw abortion outright? How about outlawing all abortion except rape and incest? I think the public support is there.

I can't say I'm sure. I know what I hope would happen but there is much misinformation about abortion that makes it appear less henious than it really is.

My prayer (almost every night) is that one day abortion will be looked at with the same revulsion as slavery is now.

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Wouldn't you agree certain laws requiring to inform would reduce abortions?

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being a free thinking American it can be difficult to grasp the importance of motives...the motives behinde one's reasoning defines the "why" in creating the law...extreme example - the motives behinde establishing the state police in nazi Germany was to create a "watchdog" for the nazi government but was sold to the reichstag and people as a way of protecting the integrity and national security of the country

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Certainly; just as laws don't ever 'stop' a behavior, they almost inevitably reduce the incidence of that behavir

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The overwhelming source of vitriol and hatred here and elsewhere has come from left-wing secularists and their liberal Christian fellow travelers.

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While the discussion here certainly invites improvement,

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one need only spend ten seconds elsewhere to understand that it is the godless that create much of the poison that now infects our public discourse.

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Start a thread saying how you support, say, women's reproductive rights, and see how quickly the "discussion" descends into a flurry of self-righteous name-calling, brimstone, and general foaming of the mouth.

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Does that apply to illegal drugs? They're more prevalent than ever. Pot is as common as beer.