Which presidential ticket do you trust more on economic issues?
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Which presidential ticket do you trust more on economic... - 9/18/2008 5:54:33 AM
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raspberry331
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Which presidential candidate do you trust more on economic issues?
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/18/2008 5:58:48 AM
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Oh my goodness! Let me think...do I trust Mr. Obama? Yea, sure! I'm glad we've finally got a Presidential candidate who sees how horrible the United States is and recognizes that Capitalism is a "failed philosophy".
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This country can’t afford another four years of this failed philosophy. For years, I have consistently called for modernizing the rules of the road to suit a 21st century market – rules that would protect American investors and consumers. And I’ve called for policies that grow our economy and our middle-class together. That is the change I am calling for in this campaign, and that is the change I will bring as President.
(of course I'm not serious)
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/18/2008 8:16:31 AM
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Oh my goodness! Let me think...do I trust Mr. Obama? Yea, sure! I'm glad we've finally got a Presidential candidate who sees how horrible the United States is and recognizes that Capitalism is a "failed philosophy".
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This country can’t afford another four years of this failed philosophy. For years, I have consistently called for modernizing the rules of the road to suit a 21st century market – rules that would protect American investors and consumers. And I’ve called for policies that grow our economy and our middle-class together. That is the change I am calling for in this campaign, and that is the change I will bring as President.
(of course I'm not serious)
The alternative is to trust a campaign which, until very recently, had as co-chair and senior economic adviser the guy who authored the bill that allowed things to get out of control in the first place, Phil Gramm.
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/18/2008 8:26:17 AM
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I trust those who are not part of the good ole boys club. The ones who allow corruption to go on under everyone noses and get money from the corruption or favors for their children.
I am for the ones who will come in and not allow "status quo" to continue. Stand up for corruption in BOTH parties and get this country back on track.
Joe has never done that, nor has Obama.
The ONLY ones who have stood up for the Taxpayers OVER their party is Sarah and McCain.
I want people in office who are "Pro America" not "Pro a Political Party"
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/18/2008 8:27:56 AM
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I don't trust either candidate because neither will just let capitalism play out.
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/18/2008 8:52:57 AM
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I trust those who are not part of the good ole boys club. The ones who allow corruption to go on under everyone noses and get money from the corruption or favors for their children.
I am for the ones who will come in and not allow "status quo" to continue. Stand up for corruption in BOTH parties and get this country back on track.
Joe has never done that, nor has Obama.
The ONLY ones who have stood up for the Taxpayers OVER their party is Sarah and McCain.
I want people in office who are "Pro America" not "Pro a Political Party"
To "stand up for corruption" is to advocate corruption, and I agree, Obama hasn't done that, to the best of my knowledge. Joe has a slightly more spotty record, but, barring his being beholden to the banking industry, I don't think there's much to be concerned about there.
McCain has lobbyists running his campaign, and, though he champions an end to government pork, he accepts Palin as his VP, from the wonderful state of Alaska? Isn't that pretty much the worst state in the Union with respect to pork? Remember the Bridge to Nowhere that Palin supported?
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Anyways, I don't think you understood the question. It's about economics, not corruption. Who's better with economics? The guy who admitted he doesn't know much about economics, and has Phil Gramm as his economics adviser? If McCain had picked Romney as veep, I would have rested a lot easier about his economics policy, but... Palin really adds nothing to the ticket on this one.
And by the way people, "fundamentals are strong" McCain's been talking a lot about regulation lately.
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/18/2008 8:56:23 AM
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Out of the only two choices we have?
McCain/Palin
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/18/2008 8:57:06 AM
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To "stand up for corruption" is to advocate corruption
ROFLLLLLLLLLL you got me on that one! Good catch. 
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It's about economics, not corruption. Who's better with economics?
Believe it or not in my local area a hundred million dollar project that "I" am helping to fund through higher local taxes is about corruption. So for me they go hand in hand. It's hard to have a good economic policy or plan when those in the chicken house are corrupt. The people who benefit from that corruption are more times than not very wealthy folks.
The "regulations" concern me. I am not into big government. I want to hear from people wiser than I am what exactly those regulations are and what long term impact they may have.
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/18/2008 9:14:40 AM
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Out of the only two choices we have?
McCain/Palin
Don't buy into that lie, you have more than 2 choices.
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/18/2008 9:24:31 AM
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Out of the only two choices we have?
McCain/Palin
Don't buy into that lie, you have more than 2 choices.
McCain, Obama, or abstain are the only effective choices Americans are presented with at the presidential level.
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/18/2008 9:31:08 AM
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McCain, Obama, or abstain are the only effective choices Americans are presented with at the presidential level.
I agree. For me to vote third party or sit at home on Nov. 4th is for me nothing more than saying I want the candidate I "least" want to be in office to win.
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/18/2008 9:39:39 AM
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Hmmm, which ticket do I trust more on economic issues?
Well, I can either choose Obama, who is a dedicated socialist, who admires and mimics his communist father's economic ideas, who will destroy small business and redistribute wealth to those who didn't earn it, who lied about public financing because he saw he could get more by going back on hi word, who is so greedy he dontes near zilch to charity, who accepted large amounts of campaign money from Freddie/Fannie when they were near collapse, whose economic advisers were part of the corruption, who partook in shady real estate deals.... OR....
I could go with McCain and Palin, both of whom have a great record of getting the their financial houses in order, both of whom have cut wasteful spending, and both of whom who are dedicated to take these things to Washington.
Hmm, what a hard choice 
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/18/2008 9:51:45 AM
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I don't trust either party. That's why I'd hate to see one party control the White House and both houses of congress.
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/18/2008 9:55:34 AM
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I don't trust either party. That's why I'd hate to see one party control the White House and both houses of congress.
I don't completely "trust" either party either. It is more about the lesser evil. Obama is a shady cat with bad economic mojo. Supporting him would mean almost certain financial disaster for the US, while supporting McCain/Palin gives at least an inkling of hope.
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/18/2008 9:57:24 AM
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I don't trust either party. That's why I'd hate to see one party control the White House and both houses of congress.
I don't completely "trust" either party either. It is more about the lesser evil. Obama is a shady cat with bad economic mojo. Supporting him would mean almost certain financial disaster for the US, while supporting McCain/Palin gives at least an inkling of hope.
It's easier for me to support McMaverick knowing the odds that the dems will win both houses.
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/18/2008 9:59:54 AM
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That is a good point that I don't hear many talking-heads discussing.
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/18/2008 10:19:29 AM
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I don't trust either candidate because neither will just let capitalism play out.
See, the problem with this statement is that the current financial system of America today is NOT capitalism - at the least, it's a low-level government regulated system of socialism, not pure capitalism.
CAPITALISM (a la Adam Smith) is a system that regulates itself by supply and demand-CONCRETE supply and CONCRETE demand. Money is money-not "fiat" pieces of paper that can be printed at will and backed by a "promise" from a government.
CREDIT is extended based upon one's ability to repay (and is consequently almost ALWAYS short term)-not based upon the potential for profit from the creditor.
PURCHASING POWER is determined by the amount of MONEY one has - if there is no money, satisfaction is delayed until one does have money-the "slack" is not picked up by nebulous "credit".
NONE of these are a part of the present U.S. "financial system". Credit is a "creator" of wealth-in other words, "fortunes" are made out of thin air. The government keeps pumping enough "money" (really just green pieces of paper) into the system to keep the bubbles building. It is impossible to call America's "free market system" literal capitalism. Since it is created so much by government intervention and "pie in the sky" monetary standards, yes, the government must continue to keep it afloat. Long and short, the U.S. government made this beast when it abandoned hard money standards and created entitlement programs, etc. Now if they pull out, the mess is much bigger than if they let this "farce" of capitalism play out on it's own.
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/18/2008 10:22:54 AM
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That is a good point that I don't hear many talking-heads discussing.
Because most talking heads have a partisan bias. And, cooperation is not very newsworthy.
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/18/2008 10:34:09 AM
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I don't trust either party. That's why I'd hate to see one party control the White House and both houses of congress.
I don't completely "trust" either party either. It is more about the lesser evil. Obama is a shady cat with bad economic mojo. Supporting him would mean almost certain financial disaster for the US, while supporting McCain/Palin gives at least an inkling of hope.
Just wondering what you base your opinion of Mr. Obama's "economic mojo" on?
Also, what of Mr. McCain and Mrs. Palin's Plans give you an "inkling of hope?"
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/18/2008 11:05:25 AM
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I don't trust either party. That's why I'd hate to see one party control the White House and both houses of congress.
There's no way to win with fedzilla. Our best hope lies in gridlock.
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/18/2008 11:43:30 AM
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Out of the only two choices we have?
McCain/Palin
Don't buy into that lie, you have more than 2 choices.
McCain, Obama, or abstain are the only effective choices Americans are presented with at the presidential level.
There are legitimate 3rd parties that could do a heck of a lot better than the two choices you mentioned above. And as long as we continue to buy the lie that a 3rd party vote is a wasted vote, then nothing will ever change.
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/18/2008 12:32:05 PM
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cow451
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ORIGINAL: rgsoundguy
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ORIGINAL: earthless
Out of the only two choices we have?
McCain/Palin
Don't buy into that lie, you have more than 2 choices.
McCain, Obama, or abstain are the only effective choices Americans are presented with at the presidential level.
There are legitimate 3rd parties that could do a heck of a lot better than the two choices you mentioned above. And as long as we continue to buy the lie that a 3rd party vote is a wasted vote, then nothing will ever change.
As long as third parties produce candidates like Boob Barr and L. Ron Paul, I stick with my assessment. I don't think any vote cast is wasted, but to think a third party has any hope is silly.
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