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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/18/2008 12:49:49 PM
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There are legitimate 3rd parties that could do a heck of a lot better than the two choices you mentioned above. And as long as we continue to buy the lie that a 3rd party vote is a wasted vote, then nothing will ever change.
As long as third parties are used as 2nd chances for ex-Republicans who couldn't win in the primaries they will not be taken seriously.
3rd party candidates need to start at the local level. Get them in as mayors, governors, state senates, etc. Build up from the grassroots. Don't just wait every 4 years and run for the presidency. Get some credibility at the local level then people will take them a little more seriously.
Palin is a good example of this, even though she is a Republican, she ran on her own funding, took on her own party and moved her way up the ladder one step at a time.
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/18/2008 1:08:02 PM
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3rd party candidates need to start at the local level. Get them in as mayors, governors, state senates, etc. Build up from the grassroots. Don't just wait every 4 years and run for the presidency. Get some credibility at the local level then people will take them a little more seriously.
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/18/2008 4:21:12 PM
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I don't think any vote cast is wasted, but to think a third party has any hope is silly.
You are entitled to your opinion. However, if the current trend continues and people continue to be fed up, they will start looking.
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/18/2008 4:25:06 PM
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There are legitimate 3rd parties that could do a heck of a lot better than the two choices you mentioned above. And as long as we continue to buy the lie that a 3rd party vote is a wasted vote, then nothing will ever change.
As long as third parties are used as 2nd chances for ex-Republicans who couldn't win in the primaries they will not be taken seriously.
3rd party candidates need to start at the local level. Get them in as mayors, governors, state senates, etc. Build up from the grassroots. Don't just wait every 4 years and run for the presidency. Get some credibility at the local level then people will take them a little more seriously.
Palin is a good example of this, even though she is a Republican, she ran on her own funding, took on her own party and moved her way up the ladder one step at a time.
Umm, they do run on local and state tickets as well. But the presidential ticket is the one that garners the most attention. You may recall that Jesse Ventura was elected the Governer of Minnesota on the Reform Party ticket.
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/18/2008 4:51:24 PM
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Umm, they do run on local and state tickets as well. But the presidential ticket is the one that garners the most attention. You may recall that Jesse Ventura was elected the Governer of Minnesota on the Reform Party ticket.
Yes I am aware that some 3rd party candidates do run on the local lever, quite a few actually. But my point is they need to start winning on the local level, they need to start holding offices on the local level and then run for president.
The people we get now are disgruntled Republicans, weirdo corporate billionaires and unknowns.
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/18/2008 5:11:32 PM
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Status: online Barack Obama has continually criticized McCain for questioning his patriotism.
Well now Joe Biden is telling everyone that they need to be patriotic and pony up the cash.
"We want to take money and put it back in the pocket of middle-class people," Biden said in an interview on ABC's "Good Morning America."
Noting that wealthier Americans would indeed pay more, Biden said: "It's time to be patriotic ... time to jump in, time to be part of the deal, time to help get America out of the rut."
Time to move everything into offshore accounts...?
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/18/2008 5:23:34 PM
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But I don't see Biden calling on the US government to exercise some restraint in spending, or any other measure of fiscal responsibility...
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/18/2008 5:38:41 PM
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Well, considering who's been in office for the last 8 years I'd have to vote Democrate.
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/20/2008 1:35:19 AM
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Which party has been in office for the last 8 years is somewhat irrelevant in this presidential race.
McCain is so different than Bush, they never even cared much for each other. McCain was regarded as an outsider of the Republican Party by Republicans, so in a sense, by electing McCain/Palin, they would be the closest to a "3rd party" candidate in my lifetime (first voted in 1980).
Obama is the antithesis of "change". Is he even real? He reminds me of "Gumby". He is being flexed and manipulated by his handlers - who happen to be uberliberal. If you're Gumby, you can't really change by yourself (maybe Pokey, I mean Biden, can pull him along).
This week has been so interesting, watching the "talking heads" appear as if they know what to do about the economy. Even the economists haven't figured out the complexities of derivitives and forecast the dire consequences looming around the corner of our fragile economy. The blame game is so dumb to me at this point, given the complexities and fragilities of balancing the global economy. Greed and corruption is part of this evil world. Even in the best laid plans, evil looms.
It's unbelievably drastic to consider disposing of capitalism in favor of socialism. Our country survived the great depression and we will survive this down turn as well. I believe that McCain was correct when he referred to the resolve of Americans being a great asset.
Since they become "figureheads" to some degree, their worldview is most important. They both know they must rely on expert economists, etc. to guide and advise them.
As a Christian, it seems pretty obvious which ticket to vote for.
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/20/2008 4:39:35 AM
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To answer the OP: neither
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/20/2008 7:30:30 AM
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It's unbelievably drastic to consider disposing of capitalism in favor of socialism. Our country survived the great depression and we will survive this down turn as well. I believe that McCain was correct when he referred to the resolve of Americans being a great asset.
I hope you and McCain are correct. I fear we've lost so much of that American resolve. Half the population during the Great Depression weren't asking for socialism.
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/20/2008 8:52:26 AM
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I don't trust either party. That's why I'd hate to see one party control the White House and both houses of congress.
I don't completely "trust" either party either. It is more about the lesser evil. Obama is a shady cat with bad economic mojo. Supporting him would mean almost certain financial disaster for the US, while supporting McCain/Palin gives at least an inkling of hope.
This is exactly where I'm at; however, I heard a speech this morning by McCain that was fantastic. He was addressing a Chamber of Commerce group in Wisconsin. There was a lot of good meat, and his delivery was really good as well. I hope the American people see more of this McCain, but I don't hold my breath with the mainstream media we have.
BTW, I saw this on C-Span, and they showed a speech from Obama immediately following it. This one took place in Coral Gables, Florida and was on the same subject. Both speeches were aired in their entirety with no editing. Obama's speech was more of the same rhetoric (socialistic "chicken in every pot", "blame the Republicans") and no meat. Meanwhile I'm asking myself, "where is the money going to come from? The government is already broke. Are we going to borrow more money from the likes of China and get further in their pocket? Or is it going to come through tax hikes on the rich, who will in turn pass that on to the little guy?"
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/20/2008 9:46:13 AM
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Which party has been in office for the last 8 years is somewhat irrelevant in this presidential race.
McCain is so different than Bush, Oh, yes it does, and oh, no he's not! This is the man who is on video stating that he voted "with Bush" over 90% of the time. Give me a break. He's Bush III.
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He is being flexed and manipulated by his handlers - Unlike McCain, who has 7 lobbyists running his campaign? Seriously, who do you think is going to be running the government if he gets elected? Here's a clue....it WON'T be McCain.
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It's unbelievably drastic to consider disposing of capitalism in favor of socialism. Gross exaggeration. No one is doing this. Not McCain, Not Obama, NO ONE.
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Half the population during the Great Depression weren't asking for socialism. LOL, yeah, the half that didn't lose everything. Good grief. My ultra conservative grandmother would roll in her grave if she heard drivel like this.
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/20/2008 9:52:01 AM
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It's unbelievable that charges about lobbyists can be made against McCain when Obama has the two guys who helped corrupt Fannie Mae as two of his advisers and one of them headed the VP selection. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac helped big time to run us into this mess.
But then I recall when I was saying we were headed for this mess a year ago you talked about how real estate is local and everything was fine in your neck of the woods. I remember my response: Real estate may be local but credit is not.
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/20/2008 9:56:47 AM
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how real estate is local and everything was fine in your neck of the woods. Believe it or not, it still isn't too bad here. Less units selling overall, but prices are pretty much holding in most areas. There are some where the prices have fallen but the area is a very large metro area so that's to be expected. I've actually been pleasantly surprised.
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Real estate may be local but credit is not. Very true. First time buyers are now having to put some "skin" into their transactions (which isn't a bad thing), and they need higher credit scores to get good interest rates. But I still have buyers and sellers, so I really can't complain.
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/20/2008 9:57:37 AM
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neither will just let capitalism play out.
Thank goodness. Capitalism left alone is like sleeping in a den of hungry lions.
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/20/2008 10:08:51 AM
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Whereas socialism is putting the hungry lions in charge over everyone. If I had to choose between the two, I'll take capitalism -- barbaric as it can be at times. I would much rather the dollar decide things than a very small group of people making decisions about what's good for the rest of us. At least with our current system (sick as it is) we still have some voice. With socialism we would have less of a voice.
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/20/2008 10:13:35 AM
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I didn't mean we should become socialists but capitialism should be regulated were abuse is obvious
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/20/2008 10:20:13 AM
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I didn't mean we should become socialists but capitialism should be regulated were abuse is obvious
We agree. Capitalism cannot exist in its purest form because there is sin in the world. It's great we live in a free country so that how much it's regulated can be part of the public debate.
This mortgage mess is the result of letting the fox guard the hen house. The fact that Christopher Dodd was receiving the most money from Fannie Mae and and Freddie Mac while he is the senior member of the committee that oversees them ought to be criminal. This was a list of donations going back 19 years, and with only a few years in the Senate, Obama was receiving the second most contributions. I wish the mainstream media would air this until we're sick of it. But they won't because they're in the tank for Obama. They're not going to taint him even if it means holding back the truth. Their silence is deafening. By the way, Chris Cox needs to be held to account as well. Let him tell his story if he's got one.
And if John McCain has some skeletons, let's get those out too. Let's get it all out, so the American people can truly make an informed decision.
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/20/2008 11:21:59 AM
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I don't think any vote cast is wasted, but to think a third party has any hope is silly.
You are entitled to your opinion. However, if the current trend continues and people continue to be fed up, they will start looking.
Whenever a third party is successful in any major election, it's quickly gobbled up by one or both of the existing two major parties come the next election cycle.
That is how it has been, that is how it will continue to be. That's how the game works. At the level of the presidential election, barring two disastrously unpopular candidates, a third party vote is indeed a wasted one that ultimately favors the candidate you desired least.
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/20/2008 11:37:11 AM
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I didn't mean we should become socialists but capitialism should be regulated were abuse is obvious
We agree. Capitalism cannot exist in its purest form because there is sin in the world. It's great we live in a free country so that how much it's regulated can be part of the public debate.
I think the imperfection of information and perception are two of the biggest reasons pure capitalism can't possibly work. People simply cannot be exposed to and understand all the information necessary to make an informed decision about many, many things. There is a paucity of time and attention on the part of individuals, and putting under-informed individuals with not a lot of free time into groups isn't going to necessarily make things any better.
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RE: Which presidential ticket do you trust more on econ... - 9/20/2008 11:39:07 AM
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It's unbelievable that charges about lobbyists can be made against McCain when Obama has the two guys who helped corrupt Fannie Mae as two of his advisers and one of them headed the VP selection. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac helped big time to run us into this mess.
They're trying to talk about how many "lobbyists" McCain has working for him to draw attention from the very questionable people Obama is being advised by, you're right. What people don't realize is what a lobbyist is or who "lobbyists" are. Sure, there are lobbyists for big "evil" corporations, making back room deals, financing campaigns and pet projects for favors from legislators but, if you really took an honest look at that, you'd see it runs both ways probably exactly equally between parties.
But to say that McCain has 50-something "lobbyists" working on his campaign is silly. I've been a SAHM for about 7 years and I teach group fitness part time....not exactly a political power broker. But, if I took some little job on the McCain campaign, they could add one more to the number of "lobbyists and former lobbyists" working on the campaign and try to make some false point about him being influenced in some way. People from all over, all kinds of organizations and companies, have to register as lobbyists for various reasons to conduct all sorts of business with Legislators.
As usual, Obama relies on the ignorance of the electorate to let him get away with levying ridiculous and even meaningless claims against McCain with a sinister tone so that it then becomes an issue where there was none.
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