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One World Gov't/Relgion ? - 9/23/2008 2:45:17 PM
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Rick4Him
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I saw a headline on MSN.com yesterday stating the current economic tumoil maybe be able to be solved by a "One World Economy."
Is this the beginning of the One World Relgion also? What would be the One World Relgion? Is it the emergent church movement which seems to allow many beliefs?
These are troubling times unless you belong to Jesus.
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RE: One World Gov't/Relgion ? - 9/23/2008 5:23:03 PM
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No comments, hmmmmmmmmmm
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RE: One World Gov't/Relgion ? - 9/23/2008 6:31:13 PM
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Sorry, I am not a 'Left Behinder' Tim LaHaye type believer...
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RE: One World Gov't/Relgion ? - 9/23/2008 7:35:04 PM
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I saw a headline on MSN.com yesterday stating the current economic tumoil maybe be able to be solved by a "One World Economy."
Is this the beginning of the One World Relgion also? What would be the One World Relgion? Is it the emergent church movement which seems to allow many beliefs?
These are troubling times unless you belong to Jesus.
Rick
I had been thinking the world religion would be Islam, but...you make a good point. The emerging church seems like it would welcome "all faiths."
I don't think there has ever been a time that is as ripe as right now for a "one world" everything...government, church, financial system, health system...you name it.
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RE: One World Gov't/Relgion ? - 9/23/2008 11:34:21 PM
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Like earthless - I'm not quite sure if a one world government or a one world religion is what scripture actually says. I guess, I always think about Jesus - the scriptures pointed to him, the religious leaders of the day looked for him, yet he still came differently than they thought. God's ways are always higher than ours - we tend to think temporally.
But if the "one world" religion or government does come to pass, I personally think it will happen so transparently that we'll barely see it. Really, we already have a one world economic system. Certain countries are producers, others are consumers, still others supply raw materials. If the economy of one nation fails it affects the others - but only to a certain degree. So, we'll bail out Japan, but we won't bail out Zimbabwe for example - because of the effects that it has on other countries and the world economy. In the US, we say that we are a Christian nation and there are a lot of believers here. But to me, when I really listen to people, including many Christians, I hear New Age. I hear Eckhart Toll. Self help books are replete with this - and a lot of teaching that passes as Christian is actually New Age. This whole idea of being able to create your own reality with your words ... that is not Christian. (I'm not talking about being in agreement with God by saying what he says - that is something different). The emphasis of angels to the point of worship of them - that is not Christian (remember who the angel of light was/is). There are a lot of little things like that - not just differences in doctrine - but real attacks to the preeiminence of Christ and his Lordship in our lives.
I personally think that a form of one world religion/government is already here. I think it will come through a one world culture which is already here through the media which is converging, through the internet, through the entire world becoming more and more closely knit. More people know how Brittany Spears is than who the President of England is. Still more know who Aishwrya Rai (the Indian Bollywood star - Bollywood is a HUGE industry outside of the United States) is, than who even know where India is on a map. Our entire approach to life is influenced by those who dominate the media. Now, all media is not bad and not all practitioners are. But its power to influence our thinking and our emotions is not to be underestimated. And we don't even think very often about video games - particularly online massive multiplayer type games which connect people all around the world in real time and often deal with spiritual themes (like in World of Warcraft). If a dark and sinister power - satan - wanted to disseminate his religion and predispose people to accept his government, it would be quite easy to influence people using these types of means - and because we are so conditioned to consume, we would ingest it very easily. Think of the many instances of the occult that have flooded the airwaves over the past 10 or so years. We don't even bat an eyelash anymore at witches, vampires, psychics, mediums. But ... when was the last time that you saw anything Christian on the major networks (aside from the Billy Graham Crusade)? Do you remember when Jesus of Nazareth - the miniseries was on, or when they'd show The Ten Commandments? What about Davy and Goliath claymation? Or the last time that you heard the Christian message outside of the context of two issues - abortion and homosexuality? I was listening to messages from a major technology conference several months ago. A neuroscientist was talking about a stroke that she had - and about what if felt like to go through the whole experience of different parts of her brain shutting down. Her talk became very spiritual - but not Christian. In no time, she was giving her testimony - a very new age one - about becoming one with everyone and one with the universe - a very pantheistic theology. She received a standing ovation and her talk was disseminated to everyone on the mailing list. The fact that she was talking religion - but no one even thought to say anything about the separation of church and state was quite interesting to me. I'm not sure if the lack of objections would have been there if she had be christian and shared the gospel. I'm not picking on the conference - I'm just saying that this thing is so transparent, that unless you are vigilant - it will sneak in - in places where you least expect it. I'm talking about in a conference, school, tv show, film, video, book, self-help video, podcast - anywhere at anytime.
I think that perhaps this is one reason that Jesus told us to watch and pray. We need to be able to be alert and not be lulled into something that isn't right. We have to be alert and aware - and always listening to God to see what he has to say to us through his word.
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RE: One World Gov't/Relgion ? - 9/24/2008 10:52:42 AM
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To the last three posters, I guess you make good points. We do seem to belong to a one world economy/Gov't. Look at how our financial crisis is playing out on the world scene. But to say we are a one world religion even if kinda hidden, is a stretch don't you believe?
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RE: One World Gov't/Relgion ? - 9/24/2008 2:39:41 PM
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When we all use euros then the one world economy will be complete but even Great Britain held onto their British pound. So I think it is premature to declare victory for the New World Order just yet!
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RE: One World Gov't/Relgion ? - 9/24/2008 3:02:08 PM
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I had been thinking the world religion would be Islam, but...you make a good point. The emerging church seems like it would welcome "all faiths."
I don't think there has ever been a time that is as ripe as right now for a "one world" everything...government, church, financial system, health system...you name it.
That sounds like it's right off a Baha'i statement of beliefs.
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RE: One World Gov't/Relgion ? - 9/24/2008 3:13:51 PM
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I had been thinking the world religion would be Islam, but...you make a good point. The emerging church seems like it would welcome "all faiths."
I don't think there has ever been a time that is as ripe as right now for a "one world" everything...government, church, financial system, health system...you name it.
That sounds like it's right off a Baha'i statement of beliefs.
Is that were they shout "Hallelujah for Bahá'u'lláh"? 
With only 6 million adherents, they have a long way to go to become a one world religion! It sounds like just modern day Zoroastrianism to me!
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RE: One World Gov't/Relgion ? - 9/25/2008 12:43:11 AM
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To the last three posters, I guess you make good points. We do seem to belong to a one world economy/Gov't. Look at how our financial crisis is playing out on the world scene. But to say we are a one world religion even if kinda hidden, is a stretch don't you believe?
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I don't think that everyone has embraced a one world religion - but I guess I'm looking at what I keep seeing in many different places. I attend a university and have been watching academic discussions, conferences, etc. In my classes, many of my professors have been able to espouse more "new age" type views - and no one sees it as being religious. No one cries separation of church and state because they don't recognize it. I read self-help or career books and again - there is "new age" again - but no one sees it as religious - it is just being wise or being spiritual. I turn on the tv, I watch movies - again - we see the same themes over and over again. Man is God. We create our own reality. Self actualization. "The Universe" - not God (worship of creation). Many paths to God. God is in everything. We are all one. My happiness is my highest good. It is this same message over and over and over again - and we hear it so much that we don't even recognize it. I've heard church going people - of all ages say these same types of things - not even realizing that it is not Christian. This past Sunday we had a guest preacher - the man actually said (and I'm paraphrasing here) 'we can speak whatever we want into existence because we are Gods - like God is God.' No one batted an eyelash. Inside my spirit said "no - this is heresy." Immediately I felt sick as if I'd eaten something bad and needed to vomit. I didn't, but I had a physical reaction to this thing that this false prophet said.
What I am saying is that as the people in the world communicate more and adopt each others ideas (it is becoming easier and easier to do so) - this new "religion" - can easily spread. I personally believe that it can spread easily and without ruffling feathers because it doesn't require that you actually give up what you currently practice. It sits very comfortably alongside whatever you believe - like a virus that attaches itself to something healthy - and it can infiltrate even the most innocuous things. I'm not saying that everyone has embraced this - but I am saying that it is more widespread than we think - and if we are not careful - that way of thinking - that new "religion" (which really is an old one) can supplant the gospel or any number of other religious systems - because morphs and adapts itself to whatever culture it is in. And it is everywhere - even were least expect it (so you aren't putting up defenses). So most people will say, what is the harm in believing this - "I can be a progressive Christian (or fill in the blank with some other religion) - and read and follow Eckhart Tolle (or a Course in Miracles, or something else of that persuasion) because this is just a harmless addition. And since there are many Gods, I have lots to choose from, and I choose THIS path because it is my tradition." In doing, their faith becomes secondary to this other belief system.
I hope this makes sense ... it is just something that I've been seeing in a lot of different places ... this is why I am saying that it is here, but largely undetected.
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RE: One World Gov't/Relgion ? - 9/25/2008 11:44:57 AM
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Is this the beginning of the One World Relgion also? What would be the One World Relgion? Is it the emergent church movement which seems to allow many beliefs?
Rick
C Peter Wagner and his NAR cohorts in the Latter Rain/Dominionist cult seek to create a One World Church
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RE: One World Gov't/Relgion ? - 9/25/2008 5:32:29 PM
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Whether or not the scripture predicts a "One World Government/Religion" isn't particularly important because it is what the world is angling towards anyway. In 1992 a journalist for the NYT wrote an editorial that predicted that by the end of the 21st century the phrase "Global Citizen" would take on actual meaning because all national boundaries will have been dissolved. Kind of a spooky idea, eh? Considering that the UN is pretty much doing to various nations what the North was doing to the South prior to the Civil War, I'm more than willing to believe that we will have the same result... a "Civil War" ending with one Nation where there had been two.quote:
C Peter Wagner and his NAR cohorts in the Latter Rain/Dominionist cult seek to create a One World Church **sigh** Apples an Oranges, sir... Wagner and the NAR want to see a global CHRISTIAN church, whereas the current question is centered on the idea of a syncretistic pseudo-religion to replace all others. When He returns, Jesus is going to set up a global empire where He is the center of all religion. So the NAR isn't too far off, they are just wrong on their timing.
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RE: One World Gov't/Relgion ? - 9/25/2008 7:56:14 PM
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In 1992 a journalist for the NYT wrote an editorial that predicted that by the end of the 21st century the phrase "Global Citizen" would take on actual meaning because all national boundaries will have been dissolved.
Obama has already declared himself a "citizen of the world".
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RE: One World Gov't/Relgion ? - 9/25/2008 11:10:21 PM
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In 1992 a journalist for the NYT wrote an editorial that predicted that by the end of the 21st century the phrase "Global Citizen" would take on actual meaning because all national boundaries will have been dissolved. Kind of a spooky idea, eh?
I think that would be ideal, not spooky. Free trade and free migration go hand in hand.
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RE: One World Gov't/Relgion ? - 9/26/2008 4:12:06 AM
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Whether or not the scripture predicts a "One World Government/Religion" isn't particularly important because it is what the world is angling towards anyway. In 1992 a journalist for the NYT wrote an editorial that predicted that by the end of the 21st century the phrase "Global Citizen" would take on actual meaning because all national boundaries will have been dissolved. Kind of a spooky idea, eh? Considering that the UN is pretty much doing to various nations what the North was doing to the South prior to the Civil War, I'm more than willing to believe that we will have the same result... a "Civil War" ending with one Nation where there had been two.
Adam, this is interesting - do you happen to have any more details about the NYT article? I'd love to read that. I really think that global citizenry is something that will happen even if national borders remain intact and there are no civil wars within countries - or even if the UN were to dissolve tomorrow. I think that technology is making the world smaller. People are able to communicate and collaborate in ways that they haven't been able to before. I wonder sometimes if that will lead to different class and societal structures that transcend national boundaries. Remember the book called "The Creative Class" that was out a few years ago? He primarily talked about Americans, but I could see people with means moving across borders without a thought (which they've already been able to do). And currently, there are people that are internationals - I know someone like this. She is American and loves this country - but has lived in so many different countries over the years that her entire identity has somehow changed. I don't think she'd embrace the term global citizen - but I can see how others might.
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RE: One World Gov't/Relgion ? - 9/26/2008 8:33:30 AM
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I think the whole world religion would be simply one that is enforced by a one world government. It would not be one that the whole world necessarily believed because there will be those who still follow their faiths, especially those who follow Christ.
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RE: One World Gov't/Relgion ? - 9/27/2008 2:50:54 AM
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I think the whole world religion would be simply one that is enforced by a one world government. It would not be one that the whole world necessarily believed because there will be those who still follow their faiths, especially those who follow Christ.
Good point - I could definitely see this - it is something to consider.
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RE: One World Gov't/Relgion ? - 9/27/2008 1:12:37 PM
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What a great question! And upon reading the posts, I had to share my thoughts on the subject!
There is no doubt in my mind that this world is most definitely a one world economy. That fact is obvious. As well, the world is moving towards one government. Obviously we are not there yet but there can be no denying of the 'trend's' signs ... the United Nations comes to mind right off the bat! Isn't it interesting to think that the creation of such a "union of nations" would have come about at all ... and why?
The next logical step for the 'nations of this world' to take would be some form of "one world government". Most recently there has been an international "talk/push" towards a 'one world' justice system. Do you not recall President Bush saying no to U.S. involvement on such a thing? I do.
And what about the other "unions of nations" that have taken shape in our lifetime? Do you not know about the unions of Middle Eastern countries that have recently developed?
The point is: there have always been unions/allies that develop between nations - history clearly reveals this fact about "civilizations" - and to presume that such would not continue to take place/evolve/move towards (as time marches on) could (quite frankly) be argued as delusional.
Which brings us back to the question of whether or not a "true" one world government could actually happen. Well, yes it could. Is it taking shape/form now? Well, yes it is .... and for no other plausible reason than it just makes "logical" sense that such a progression could/would take place given that all the economies of all the nations that exist in the world today have evolved to the point of being tied to a "global" economy in some way shape or form.
Could a "one world government" actually work? Well, why not? We already have an "international" space station!
And so the root of the success of anything "international/global/worldly" really comes down to the "willingness" of the participants. Does it not? And now you have to factor in 'human nature' (in all it's glory AND in all it's non-glory!)
So, could a one world "religion" come to pass? In my opinion, it already exists in the flaw/sin of human nature - i.e. I am god and there is no other! Is this not a form of religion? If so, then what would a form of "one world religion" look like? Easy ... it would be self-centered, self-absorbed, self-deceived because "religion" is creation attempting to achieve (for itself) some form of god-like status. And that is the difference between all other forms of religions that now exist (or ever will or ever have) and Christianity!
Friends, we live in a fallen world, and we are all fallen creations. This world is not ruled by God! This world is ruled by (and under the influence of) the Prince of Deception - Satan. Therefore, this "world" is never going to evolve/move towards Godly values and principles! It is going to evolve/take shape/form/move towards ungodly values and principles!
We are all made in the image of God, which means that at our core of existence, we are made (we are wired!) to live in unity with God, the One who created us. But because of SIN, we do not, and as long as we live in this fallen state, and in this fallen world, we never will be in full unity with the One True God of all creation! Is He or is He not going to recreate this world and His people? Yes He is! But until then ..............
It is my opinion that because we are "wired" to move towards "unity" of some form, we (as created beings) will instinctively move towards unity of some form. Yet, because of SIN, we will naturally move towards unity in what is ungodly. And so it should not surprise us to see why and how it is that this world we live in (because of SIN) will also move towards unity in "fleshly" ideals (i.e. power, greed, lust, etc....) Will this world come under the powerful influence of the "antichrist" or will it not? God's Word says it will! Read Revelation 13.
Is this world moving towards one government/one religion? Yes. Is that one government and one religion Godly? No, because this is a fallen world.
Can you see signs of this being true? Yes! But you have to have God's wisdom to see it. He tells us what the signs are. He tells us the fruits of the spirit will reveal the truth. What do you see are the signs and fruit?
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RE: One World Gov't/Relgion ? - 9/28/2008 1:40:56 AM
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I am convinced that because of so many politicians' lax attitude about border security that there is some back room dealings going on preparing the way for some sort of MexAmeriCanada Union. And of course such a thing would make it so much easier for us to enter the One World Government. Scary stuff.
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RE: One World Gov't/Relgion ? - 9/28/2008 4:53:06 AM
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rgod... I will have to see if I can find the various details, but I will get back to you ASAP.
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RE: One World Gov't/Relgion ? - 9/28/2008 5:38:57 AM
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I am convinced that because of so many politicians' lax attitude about border security that there is some back room dealings going on preparing the way for some sort of MexAmeriCanada Union. And of course such a thing would make it so much easier for us to enter the One World Government. Scary stuff.
Uh...
Why is that scary?
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RE: One World Gov't/Relgion ? - 9/28/2008 8:22:34 PM
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If it were to happen I would expect it to be a dictatorship of some sort considering the way many elites in many countries despise nationalism and patriotism. We would most likely find our inalienable freedoms intruded upon by those in power to maintain control and make us do as they wished. Political correctness is a method of this by trying to marginalize and eliminate thoughts not conducive to the new paradigm.
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RE: One World Gov't/Relgion ? - 9/28/2008 10:38:10 PM
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If it were to happen I would expect it to be a dictatorship of some sort considering the way many elites in many countries despise nationalism and patriotism. We would most likely find our inalienable freedoms intruded upon by those in power to maintain control and make us do as they wished.
How do you figure? In China, nationalism and patriotism is like the bread and butter of political capital. They encourage it relentlessly. The same in... well, pretty much any authoritarian country.
Are you talking about a world government, or are you talking about the joining of Mexico, the U.S., and Canada? In the former situation, I see no reason to assume that it would be anything like an existing government. I imagine it would be a gradual process of a massive number of treaties between a variety of groups and countries that eventually ends up tying the world together into a large patchwork.
In the latter situation, the E.U. doesn't seem to be breaking under the yoke of its new dictatorship, and I don't see Canada or Mexico inducing us into that sort of situation, ever.
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Political correctness is a method of this by trying to marginalize and eliminate thoughts not conducive to the new paradigm.
Such has how "torture" has been replaced by any number of euphemisms in the U.S.? I eagerly await my marginalization and elimination. Come get me.
No, political correctness is largely social pressure on people to not use language that offends various identity groups, like the disabled and the elderly. Sometimes it can go too far, but that's largely an issue with fringe groups.
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