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RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 9/24/2008 7:45:30 PM
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todd_t
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todd, why is it "desparate" to point out where a presidential candidate stands on a Constitutional right? No, Obama wouldn't be able to ban guns on his first day if he got elected, but 4 years (possibly 8) is a long time in which to work his corrosion on the Constitution.
No judge is going to upend the Bill of Rights. Period.
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So when the bogeyman comes knocking down your door and wants to rape your wife and daughters, go ahead and offer him tea and crumpets.
I don't have a wife and kids, and there's no such thing as a bogeyman.
I agree that people have every right to defend themselves and their property, but the gun culture in this country is driven by fear and paranoia.
My grandfather once kept a gun in the house for protection. He got rid of it the morning after he almost killed my uncle, believing him to be a prowler.
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In the mean time, I hope you have a patriotic Christ-like neighbor with a 12 gauge that can hear your screams for help.
Right, because everyone knows that Jesus packed heat.
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RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 9/24/2008 7:46:01 PM
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So when the bogeyman comes knocking down your door and wants to rape your wife and daughters, go ahead and offer him tea and crumpets. In the mean time, I hope you have a patriotic Christ-like neighbor with a 12 gauge that can hear your screams for help.
Yeh and the bogeyman may be an armed enemy within, as women's parteners who carry their guns and are abusive towards their wives and kids...thank God for women shelters that are secretive places because there are abusers among law enforcement men carrying their guns...
Having a gun or carrying a gun does not mean we are safe and have a heroe around!
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RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 9/24/2008 8:03:28 PM
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as women's parteners who carry their guns and are abusive towards their wives and kids...
That is a completely baseless claim.
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RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 9/24/2008 8:13:17 PM
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AdrianaS
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as women's parteners who carry their guns and are abusive towards their wives and kids...
That is a completely baseless claim.
What claim, that abusive men can carry legaly a gun? Why? There are many abuse going on in homes people do not know the abuser in question is a "monster"...some people may look quite decent and kind to outsiders and is a different person inside their homes.
There are lots of murder suicide going on . This country have lots of veterans comming from war with lots of issues etc..I supose military men do own weapons.
If ALL persons carrying weapons can snap of course not.
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RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 9/24/2008 8:49:55 PM
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Yep the Scriptures says that and much more about him, including that he was a man of blood, a warrior and etc
As The Bible say much aout Paul a killer who became a man of God with marks on his body because of sooo much beating because of the Lord's cause..even when he got beaten illegaly as Roman citizen with Silas in prision, do you remember?
I also remember that I am not Paul and don't serve the Lord in his capacity... If my family is threatened I am to guard them and if that means dealing with whomever attempts to harm them I will trust in the Lord like David did with Goliath...
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We sure have much examples in the Bible even Lord Jesus "gluing" the soldier ear when Mr. Peter "hot blooded"cut it of..
Yes because Peter knew better and didn't want Christ to give himself...
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RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 9/24/2008 8:53:58 PM
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No judge is going to upend the Bill of Rights. Period.
I had to sell a gun I legally bought in California because the government banned it... Judges upheld it... A direct assault on my rights...
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I agree that people have every right to defend themselves and their property, but the gun culture in this country is driven by fear and paranoia.
The real paranoia is founded in the ant-gun camp...
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My grandfather once kept a gun in the house for protection. He got rid of it the morning after he almost killed my uncle, believing him to be a prowler.
Not everyone is able to handle a weapon and the situation....
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RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 9/24/2008 9:20:01 PM
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AdrianaS
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Yep the Scriptures says that and much more about him, including that he was a man of blood, a warrior and etc
As The Bible say much aout Paul a killer who became a man of God with marks on his body because of sooo much beating because of the Lord's cause..even when he got beaten illegaly as Roman citizen with Silas in prision, do you remember?
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I also remember that I am not Paul and don't serve the Lord in his capacity... If my family is threatened I am to guard them and if that means dealing with whomever attempts to harm them I will trust in the Lord like David did with Goliath...
You see what happens when we bring Bible personas? We are ourselves imitating Lord Jesus and we are different people with different temperaments!
Of course I understand you protecting your family , I was not afraid of my own Dad and trust him to protect us also.
But we do have to come up with provision of different sides of reality in this world, that not all families are functional and adults in their dysfuction may hurt those who they supose to love in healthy manners, instead of protecting, may hurt them!
You are a good husband father and protector as may males are but there are those who are not, and "they" may still have not police files, "yet" and for this motive can buy guns and etc.
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We sure have much examples in the Bible even Lord Jesus "gluing" the soldier ear when Mr. Peter "hot blooded"cut it of..
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Yes because Peter knew better and didn't want Christ to give himself...
Yeh, I was hot blooded as Peter for long time, I kind understand his ways very much.. now I am much better, thank Lord Jesus..but as we see he got transformed later and maturing in the faith and knowlegde of the Lord, he did became more lovely as all do because looks more like the Lord, we are suppose to look more like Him not others who follow Him
I still hold position I wish to live in a non weapon state, and you guys use yours around your state.
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RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 9/24/2008 9:48:20 PM
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No judge is going to upend the Bill of Rights. Period.
Wow, is that a statement you'd like to guarantee?
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I don't have a wife and kids, and there's no such thing as a bogeyman.
Perhaps you don't have a family of your own at this time. But, someday you may. And the boogeyman, well he/she comes in all forms. Just ask the clerk at the convenience store that was robbed while I was on shift the other day. Ask the families that awoke to find a stranger in the house going through belongings. Ask the woman who woke up to find a man pleasuring himself over her while she slept.
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I agree that people have every right to defend themselves and their property, but the gun culture in this country is driven by fear and paranoia.
Really? Want to see fear and parnoia, check out Adriana's post after yours:
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Yeh and the bogeyman may be an armed enemy within, as women's parteners who carry their guns and are abusive towards their wives and kids...thank God for women shelters that are secretive places because there are abusers among law enforcement men carrying their guns...
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What claim, that abusive men can carry legaly a gun? Why? There are many abuse going on in homes people do not know the abuser in question is a "monster"...some people may look quite decent and kind to outsiders and is a different person inside their homes.
There are lots of murder suicide going on . This country have lots of veterans comming from war with lots of issues etc..I supose military men do own weapons.
If ALL persons carrying weapons can snap of course not.
Seems to me the paranoia has been instilled by the left though the media. The messages we've been getting since the 70's is that people are essentially good, if we get rid of the guns we won't kill each other. Problem is, the left ignores the fact that we are all sinners and that we've been killing each other since we discovered how to use our fists.
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I still hold position I wish to live in a non weapon state, and you guys use yours around your state.
I'm not going to tell you to move elsewhere. I want to ask you what you fear more. The gun or the person carrying it? I want to ask you and Todd, and others that don't like guns, where does this fear come from? What is your experience with guns? Is your experience limited to information obtained from the media? Or, does it involve the actual handling of firearms?
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RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 9/24/2008 10:26:27 PM
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AdrianaS
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I'm not going to tell you to move elsewhere. I want to ask you what you fear more. The gun or the person carrying it? I want to ask you and Todd, and others that don't like guns, where does this fear come from? What is your experience with guns? Is your experience limited to information obtained from the media? Or, does it involve the actual handling of firearms?
Well, I was born in a militar Navy base hospital, come from 3 generations of miliatry from Brazilian Army and Navy, live in military base 1/2 of my life, carrying weapons was commom, on top of that was born during the military dictatorship, military and weapons around. Plus after the military went out of power and democratic Gov came and family move out from bases and start living in regular metropolitan city in Latin American country and crimes and etc
Live in England where the police do not carry no guns, at least when I lived there..it says much about a country I supose..move here to Boston never had any problems ever. Move to Atlanta almost 10 years ago never seen no need buy any gun for my protection.
Why am I going to purchase a gun? I have no need for any guns at all and on top of that I don't want to carry or have to use one to protect myself and end up killing people. Things goes well in movies, I supose. How many guns are taking during robber at peoples home? How guns end up into criminal hands if they cannot purchase because of background checks?
Now those people who carry guns I supose they carry them around all over the place, I have problem with that big time.
Another at least 3 points I do find strange in your posts is that use of "paranoia", the "left", "media" and that you are a cop asking why I am uncomfortable reggarding guns and weapons. And I may say, this a mindset you may see only in the USA. 
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RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 9/24/2008 10:44:04 PM
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Why am I going to purchase a gun? I have no need for any guns at all and on top of that I don't want to carry or have to use one to protect myself and end up killing people.
Now that you're an American citizen maybe you should read the Constitution and embrace your responsibility (even if only in principal) to be ready to defend the freedoms you enjoy here.
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RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 9/25/2008 3:38:47 AM
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The ignorance of the anti-gun crowd is remarkable.
BTW...Adriana...That nice lovely London England where even the police dont carry guns, STILL has violence. In fact their crime rates went UP after they banned guns from private hands. And it went up AGAIN when police stopped carrying firearms.
If you trully believe that it is the gun that makes people violent, then I truly pitty you and your small little world you live in. You know the one with Santa, the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, and all other sorts of make believe myths that exist only in that small little world.
Again, as others have said, read the Constitution. Specifically the Bill of Rights, which are Laws, that are designed to limit the powers of the Federal Government. The Second Amendment, was expressly designed so the Federal Government could NOT take away firearms from the General Public. And the facts are, that militias in that day, were NOT government controlled. Militias were formed BY the people, to protect the people. That is why in Wars up until the turn of the century, you had say the 301st Missouri Brigade, or the 92nd Pennsylvania Brigade. After the nationalization of the military, the true concepts of the militias were LOST. Facts are, the Guard Units are NOT militia, but are RESERVE Units. They are apart of the Regular Military. True militias are gone. But the key in the 2nd Amendment, is that it says "In order to FORM". Meaning that the right of the people, to beable to FORM a militia, and to arm themselves in defense of the country (from foes foreign AND domestic) CAN NOT per the Constitution, be taken away. And they day it is, by those liberals on the left, is the day this country stops being what it was, and becomes a tyrannical state which oppresses the people, and uses the police and military to FORCE the people into compliance. What happens, if in the next 10 years more and more of the leaders in thsi country try to lean towards a Communist State where they place income limits on every profession. What happens, when they start telling you what your career MUST be for the good of socieity. What happens when they force people to have abortions and sterilizations to curb the population growth. Dont think it can happen here? These things have happened else where.
Now I will say soemthing that will REALLY get the blood of the liberal anti-gun wackos rilled up.
If, the government of this nation, makes owning firearms illegal, and tries to go door to door confiscating any and/or all firearms, I WILL join the first group I can in order to do ANYTHING and EVERYTHING to oppose this breach of our TRUE rights as afforded by the United States Constitution. And YES that does mean VIOLENT resistance. And as a Christian, as a Seminary Student, I do NOT find that in violation of my beliefs, my faith, or anything of the sort. Quite the opposite. Such an act by the government, would be a ungodly satanic act. Why do I say that? Name one Communist or Despotic state that does NOT persecute and attack Christians in particular (and any other faith that does not line up with its views).
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RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 9/25/2008 3:41:21 AM
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todd, why is it "desparate" to point out where a presidential candidate stands on a Constitutional right? No, Obama wouldn't be able to ban guns on his first day if he got elected, but 4 years (possibly 8) is a long time in which to work his corrosion on the Constitution.
No judge is going to upend the Bill of Rights. Period.
Then why was it so hard to overturn D.C.'s handgun ban?
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I don't have a wife and kids, and there's no such thing as a bogeyman.
You are being facetious for no reason. I read your posts, I know you are a smart enough person to grasp what I wrote.
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I agree that people have every right to defend themselves and their property, but the gun culture in this country is driven by fear and paranoia.
You mean all of us bitter people who cling to our guns and religion and have antipathy towards those not like us? Give me a break. The "gun culture" in this country is made up of some of the kindest, most moral and ethical people a person could ever hope to meet. Fear and paranoia belong to the fear-ruled anti-gun crowd.
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My grandfather once kept a gun in the house for protection. He got rid of it the morning after he almost killed my uncle, believing him to be a prowler.
I once almost ran over a person with my car by being irresponsible, too. I still drive and am not afraid to do so.
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Right, because everyone knows that Jesus packed heat.
Your profile of God doesn't seem to be complete. It lacks an understanding of justice. Jesus ain't gonna be eating granola with the trees when He comes back.
The day will come when God makes a mockery of your self-sufficiency. Hopefully, when you finally become a helpless victim of a violent crime, someone like me will be there to help you. I hope you will do the same for me.
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RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 9/25/2008 5:13:53 AM
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Why am I going to purchase a gun? I have no need for any guns at all and on top of that I don't want to carry or have to use one to protect myself and end up killing people.
Now that you're an American citizen maybe you should read the Constitution and embrace your responsibility (even if only in principal) to be ready to defend the freedoms you enjoy here.
I sure embrace my responsability giving what belongs to Cesar.
Most people who naturalize does NOT lose original nationality they add another one and end up with more passports.
Plus my freedom came about when I was reddemed by Christ, my freedom comes from Him 1st and most of all. I have no, nada of nationalisms tendencies inside me. I do have strong standings and no Constitution reading will change my mind the Book of my heart and truth is the Bible as my citizenship among all others. The "right of arms" issue is settle with me i its plain simplicity but the history and etc and attachments and whatever, no thank you.
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RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 9/25/2008 5:32:29 AM
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BTW...Adriana...That nice lovely London England where even the police dont carry guns, STILL has violence. In fact their crime rates went UP after they banned guns from private hands. And it went up AGAIN when police stopped carrying firearms.
If you trully believe that it is the gun that makes people violent, then I truly pitty you and your small little world you live in. You know the one with Santa, the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, and all other sorts of make believe myths that exist only in that small little world.
Yeh I sure know the reality of this world and violences, its fate we do already know,.
The gun for itself cannot fire, individuals do fire guns.
Yeh, I'm sooo naive..try to visit Rio de Janeiro and you may be shot inside your own home as the narcotrafic gangs are fighting between themselves or the police and etc I may leave in peace here but when go visit my family the situation is different. As I said before do not lack exposure but amazingly never was victim of any crime but did see going around.
Yeh do pitty me in my small little world and realities of US ways that is not the reality of the real world at all.
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RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 9/25/2008 7:01:54 AM
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Why am I going to purchase a gun? I have no need for any guns at all and on top of that I don't want to carry or have to use one to protect myself and end up killing people. Things goes well in movies, I supose. How many guns are taking during robber at peoples home? How guns end up into criminal hands if they cannot purchase because of background checks?
If you see no need to protect yourself or others, are not going hunting or target shooting, don't get a gun. That's the wonderful thing about this country. You don't have to buy one, but you can if you want to.
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Now those people who carry guns I supose they carry them around all over the place, I have problem with that big time.
What this is saying to me is that you want to impose your convictions on others. You don't like guns. You've made that clear. But it feels like you are telling others that because you don't like them, they should not carry them.
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RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 9/25/2008 9:18:05 AM
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BTW...Adriana...That nice lovely London England where even the police dont carry guns, STILL has violence. In fact their crime rates went UP after they banned guns from private hands. And it went up AGAIN when police stopped carrying firearms.
If you trully believe that it is the gun that makes people violent, then I truly pitty you and your small little world you live in. You know the one with Santa, the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, and all other sorts of make believe myths that exist only in that small little world.
Yeh I sure know the reality of this world and violences, its fate we do already know,.
The gun for itself cannot fire, individuals do fire guns.
Yeh, I'm sooo naive..try to visit Rio de Janeiro and you may be shot inside your own home as the narcotrafic gangs are fighting between themselves or the police and etc I may leave in peace here but when go visit my family the situation is different. As I said before do not lack exposure but amazingly never was victim of any crime but did see going around.
Yeh do pitty me in my small little world and realities of US ways that is not the reality of the real world at all.
And knifes dont stab people unless there is someone holding the knife. Should we start banning knives now too? Oh right, places like wonderful merry England ARE trying to start banning knives.
Here is a quick factoid for you. THe number of people killed in the United States by cars DWARFS the number of people killed by firearms (and these figures INCLUDE crime numbers). Even if you take the most liberal numbers of gun deaths (again including suicide, murder, violent crimes, ect) you get a number around 40 deaths per day. Now over 110 people in the united States die from some sort of auto acident a day, (only 40% are DWI related). So should we ban cars?
The simple fact is that limiting access to firearms, is NOT a deterant to crime. There has been crime, and murder, and killing, LONG before the advent of Guns. ANd one could argue that if anything Guns have brought about a MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) sense of calm, compaired to what life was like say in the Middle Ages, or in Biblical Times.
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RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 9/25/2008 9:52:12 AM
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Having a gun is a Constitutional right?
I am going to research how it goes..as never payed attention to this issue at all.
It should not take long to research is as the second ammendment to the Bill of Rights says; ...the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
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RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 9/25/2008 9:59:48 AM
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If you see no need to protect yourself or others, are not going hunting or target shooting, don't get a gun. That's the wonderful thing about this country. You don't have to buy one, but you can if you want to.
But I also think that Americans must respect and even CHERISH my right to own a gun whether they want one or not. If you think it doesn't matter because you don't have or want to have a gun, don't worry, they'll get to the rights you do enjoy next.
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RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 9/25/2008 10:00:08 AM
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Having a gun is a Constitutional right?
I am going to research how it goes..as never payed attention to this issue at all.
It should not take long to research is as the second ammendment to the Bill of Rights says; ...the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
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The problem (or danger) comes from the Supreme Court's ability to re-define whatever they want in the Constitution. For example, the term "the people" could be defined in a collectivist sense... not an individual sense. In that case, "the people" would be the whole populace and the "keep and bear arms" phrase could be interpretted as a militia consisting of "citizen soldiers" such as the National Guard. In that interpretation, the individual's right to own a firearm could be denied because the "people's right" is satisfied with the milita.
I only bring that up because I have heard that very argument before.
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RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 9/25/2008 10:01:07 AM
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I heard Obama speak to a group in PA and he assured them that they weren't going to loose their guns, infact he said that HE can't do that. We need stricter gun laws, period.
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RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 9/25/2008 10:02:38 AM
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I heard Obama speak to a group in PA and he assured them that they weren't going to loose their guns, infact he said that HE can't do that. We need stricter gun laws, period.
We need stricter enforcement.
Passing more restrictive laws will only restrict those who obey laws... not those who ignore them.
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RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 9/25/2008 10:03:46 AM
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I heard Obama speak to a group in PA and he assured them that they weren't going to loose their guns, infact he said that HE can't do that. We need stricter gun laws, period.
read the rest of the thread
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RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 9/25/2008 10:11:43 AM
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I heard Obama speak to a group in PA and he assured them that they weren't going to loose their guns, infact he said that HE can't do that. We need stricter gun laws, period.
He also said that he didn't have enough votes in congress to take the guns away. The laws on the books simply need to be enforced. Locking up repeat criminals would go a long way to curb the gun violence. Most of the violent crimes are done by repeat offenders.
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RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 9/25/2008 11:41:01 AM
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ORIGINAL: Stephanos
The ignorance of the anti-gun crowd is remarkable.
BTW...Adriana...That nice lovely London England where even the police dont carry guns, STILL has violence. In fact their crime rates went UP after they banned guns from private hands. And it went up AGAIN when police stopped carrying firearms.
If you trully believe that it is the gun that makes people violent, then I truly pitty you and your small little world you live in. You know the one with Santa, the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, and all other sorts of make believe myths that exist only in that small little world.
Again, as others have said, read the Constitution. Specifically the Bill of Rights, which are Laws, that are designed to limit the powers of the Federal Government. The Second Amendment, was expressly designed so the Federal Government could NOT take away firearms from the General Public. And the facts are, that militias in that day, were NOT government controlled. Militias were formed BY the people, to protect the people. That is why in Wars up until the turn of the century, you had say the 301st Missouri Brigade, or the 92nd Pennsylvania Brigade. After the nationalization of the military, the true concepts of the militias were LOST. Facts are, the Guard Units are NOT militia, but are RESERVE Units. They are apart of the Regular Military. True militias are gone. But the key in the 2nd Amendment, is that it says "In order to FORM". Meaning that the right of the people, to beable to FORM a militia, and to arm themselves in defense of the country (from foes foreign AND domestic) CAN NOT per the Constitution, be taken away. And they day it is, by those liberals on the left, is the day this country stops being what it was, and becomes a tyrannical state which oppresses the people, and uses the police and military to FORCE the people into compliance. What happens, if in the next 10 years more and more of the leaders in thsi country try to lean towards a Communist State where they place income limits on every profession. What happens, when they start telling you what your career MUST be for the good of socieity. What happens when they force people to have abortions and sterilizations to curb the population growth. Dont think it can happen here? These things have happened else where.
Now I will say soemthing that will REALLY get the blood of the liberal anti-gun wackos rilled up.
If, the government of this nation, makes owning firearms illegal, and tries to go door to door confiscating any and/or all firearms, I WILL join the first group I can in order to do ANYTHING and EVERYTHING to oppose this breach of our TRUE rights as afforded by the United States Constitution. And YES that does mean VIOLENT resistance. And as a Christian, as a Seminary Student, I do NOT find that in violation of my beliefs, my faith, or anything of the sort. Quite the opposite. Such an act by the government, would be a ungodly satanic act. Why do I say that? Name one Communist or Despotic state that does NOT persecute and attack Christians in particular (and any other faith that does not line up with its views).
*stands up and applauds*
Finally, someone says why the 2nd amendment is so very important.
The first step to a tyrannical state is to disarm the populace.
Sure we can't see that ever happening now, but does any of us know what the future brings?
The founding fathers understood this, they understood what can happen and so they put this safeguard in.
zamdad,
I'm not sure which post you said this, but I agree with you that many people fear guns and I do think the media has instilled this fear.
I'll take myself as an example.
When I was still thinking of joining rotc in college, I attended a 5 week rotc camp at Fort Knox.
Every cadet was assigned an M16 to take care of, clean daily and pretty much know the inside and outside of that weapon.
We also would go to the range and got to shoot a machine gun, the M16, and a 9mm handgun.
I'll admit, never holding a gun before I was scared.
Gradually, my fear went away.
I was given classroom instruction on how to properly load and fire the guns.
Everyone was taken to the range and shown how the proper and safe way to handle the weapons.
I grew more comfortable with it and I actually enjoyed myself!
In fact, my fear went away to the point that I enjoyed taking apart and cleaning that M16, it was nothing evil or bad.
I realized, it wasn't going to jump up and fire itself.
It was only an object, neither good nor bad.
Like you said, it's the person and not the gun that is the problem.
Banning a gun won't solve society's ills.
People will find other ways to hurt and kill each other.
I live in a state that allows open carry and concealed carry.
I never fear for my life that some citizen carrying is going to harm anyone else in public.
I know I'd be very grateful for that person if some criminal decided I was easy meat and no police were around to help me but that gun-toting citizen was.
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RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 9/25/2008 12:11:07 PM
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Rockwall
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ORIGINAL: laura...
Obama can't ban guns. It's a Constitutional right and has been held up by the Supreme Court. It would take a constitutional amendment to ban guns. Neither a President nor Congress can amend the Constitution.
Sorry you are wrong on that count; look at DC gun laws and how extremely restrictive they are. They can also pass laws that are a "pseudo-ban" that is indirectly a ban. For example, passing laws that you cannot sell guns that do not have bullet microstamping. Since no gun manufacturers are manufacturing guns with microstamping, they just indirectly outlawed the sell of guns.
As for Barack: Obama gun stance LINK
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