|
Users viewing this topic:
none
|
|
Login  | |
|
RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 9/28/2008 3:06:50 PM
|
|
|
AdrianaS
Posts: 1229
Joined: 3/21/2007
Status: offline
|
Rgsoundguy,
Believe me I do know the situation as at least the USA Police is well prepered and armed to begin with! In Brasil we do have a serious situation as the bad guys are much better armed than the police! Brazil does have weapon industry and do export 80% of it abroad and to neighbors countries..than the bad guys cross the border and buy it there and etc than bad guys do have the weapons the military in Brazil have, mostly the army! Plus because of the situation police man and army man decided to come up with militia of their own,but the problem they became corrupt and criminal just like the bad guys...all of them fighting for power and money even having elected politician and official in their sides..deep corruption and a mess..it come to a point state Gvernments have to call the army when situation gets out of control...bad awful indeed... 
We do have to fight the fronts in many ways, particularly when the problem starts with narcotrafic in my oppinion and the many gangs around etc People, Mexico is having huge problem with narcotrafic lords and fights and crimes. Other Central American countries exporting gangs to US that crosses the border with drugs and crime. They are Terrorists allso, for sure!
Now sure the US citizens have to be armed ,still takes a lot of agencies and many fronts to deal with the serious issues going on all over the place. Just keeping getting weapons upgrades is not enough. We will end up like what?
I would have expected technology went so advanced by now, that for exemple at the countries borders there was some type of lazer and stuff that did not alow anything or anyone to cross it. As long drugs find their way here all kind of people are comming also. There are a lot of $$$$ involved and when $$$$ are involved people are just bought.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 9/29/2008 12:49:48 AM
|
|
|
LabGuy
Posts: 3415
Joined: 9/22/2007
From: NW Pennsylvania
Status: offline
|
Has anyone seen this video?
Forget handguns, it sounds to me like Senator Obama wants to disarm our military.
-Robb
|
|
|
|
|
RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 10/1/2008 1:22:47 AM
|
|
|
ManimalX
Posts: 1231
Joined: 10/25/2005
Status: online
|
Back to the premise of the OP: Basically nobody can refute the evidence that 0bama is seriously anti-gun and will take them away from American citizens as fast as he can.
_____________________________
"But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed." - 2nd Peter 3:10
|
|
|
|
|
RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 10/1/2008 9:52:17 AM
|
|
|
cog41
Posts: 626
Joined: 7/16/2006
From: The Great State of Texas
Status: offline
|
quote:
Back to the premise of the OP: Basically nobody can refute the evidence that 0bama is seriously anti-gun and will take them away from American citizens as fast as he can.
Agreed.
1st they'll raise taxes on firearms and ammo in order to make it too expensive for the evrday citizen. 2nd they'll move to regulate and eventually ban gun shows. 3rd they'll jsut about wipe out hunting and sport shooting. 4th they'll say now that you can't do 2 & 3 you don't need them. 911 will protect you so turn them in or face prosecution.
5th, if #4 doesn't work "Pres" Obama will issue an executive order outlawing them and the "refurbished""retooled" stormtroopers of the BATFE will come and get them.
Where's Dr. Frankenstien? We need Jefferson!
_____________________________
Psalm 122:6 Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: "May they prosper who love you."
Hook'em Horns! Roll Tide!
|
|
|
|
|
RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 10/6/2008 10:42:40 PM
|
|
|
LabGuy
Posts: 3415
Joined: 9/22/2007
From: NW Pennsylvania
Status: offline
|
How's this for a conspiracy theory?
Scary to think the courts could be manipulated so easily.
-Robb
|
|
|
|
|
RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 10/7/2008 7:31:31 AM
|
|
|
cog41
Posts: 626
Joined: 7/16/2006
From: The Great State of Texas
Status: offline
|
Simply get a couple of Marxist like Schumer, Hitlery and or a Kennedy on the court and it's a done deal.
The vast majority of gun owners will not give up their firearms.
_____________________________
Psalm 122:6 Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: "May they prosper who love you."
Hook'em Horns! Roll Tide!
|
|
|
|
|
RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 10/7/2008 8:39:33 AM
|
|
|
perichoretic
Posts: 93
Joined: 10/1/2008
Status: offline
|
Obama is not going to take away guns. Although I wouldn't care if he did. Why are Christians arguing so strongly to be armed? Seems to me like that is contrary to the gospel we proclaim.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 10/7/2008 9:42:28 AM
|
|
|
zamdad
Posts: 1666
Joined: 4/8/2005
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: perichoretic
Obama is not going to take away guns. Although I wouldn't care if he did. Why are Christians arguing so strongly to be armed? Seems to me like that is contrary to the gospel we proclaim.
More reason to be concerned.
_____________________________
“A dead thing goes with the stream, but only a living thing can go against it.”
G.K. Chesterton
|
|
|
|
|
RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 10/7/2008 9:47:34 AM
|
|
|
perichoretic
Posts: 93
Joined: 10/1/2008
Status: offline
|
how do you mean, zam?
|
|
|
|
|
RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 10/7/2008 10:00:04 AM
|
|
|
zamdad
Posts: 1666
Joined: 4/8/2005
Status: offline
|
Apparently you haven't read through the entire thread. Obama has made comments indicating he would lean in favor of disarming the citizens of this country. You saying that you don't care if he did contributes to the problem. I'm guessing you live in a city where you see no need for a gun. I would aso imagine that you do not hunt for any of your food. I would venture to guess that your only exposure to guns comes through the media and the crimes committed by people using guns. I do recall, however, seeing another of your posts indicating you've served in the military.
While you don't care for guns, there are many of us who hunt.. There are many who target shoot for fun. If the government were to disarm the citizens of this country, what's to stop them from stripping the rest of our liberties? If we have no means of defending ourselves from tyrants wishing to rule over us, how are we to stop them from imposing themselves on us?
_____________________________
“A dead thing goes with the stream, but only a living thing can go against it.”
G.K. Chesterton
|
|
|
|
|
RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 10/7/2008 10:06:37 AM
|
|
|
phreddy
Posts: 286
Joined: 3/28/2007
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: perichoretic
Obama is not going to take away guns. Although I wouldn't care if he did. Why are Christians arguing so strongly to be armed? Seems to me like that is contrary to the gospel we proclaim.
What other parts of the constitution would you not care if Obama did away with?
< Message edited by phreddy -- 10/7/2008 12:58:44 PM >
|
|
|
|
|
RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 10/7/2008 10:38:39 AM
|
|
|
HighPlainsDrifter
Posts: 1293
Joined: 9/22/2005
From: The Great Sioux Empire
Status: offline
|
quote:
The vast majority of gun owners will not give up their firearms.
Molon Labe
_____________________________
Molon Labe
|
|
|
|
|
RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 10/7/2008 12:34:04 PM
|
|
|
perichoretic
Posts: 93
Joined: 10/1/2008
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: zamdad
Apparently you haven't read through the entire thread. Obama has made comments indicating he would lean in favor of disarming the citizens of this country. You saying that you don't care if he did contributes to the problem. I'm guessing you live in a city where you see no need for a gun. I would aso imagine that you do not hunt for any of your food. I would venture to guess that your only exposure to guns comes through the media and the crimes committed by people using guns. I do recall, however, seeing another of your posts indicating you've served in the military.
While you don't care for guns, there are many of us who hunt.. There are many who target shoot for fun. If the government were to disarm the citizens of this country, what's to stop them from stripping the rest of our liberties? If we have no means of defending ourselves from tyrants wishing to rule over us, how are we to stop them from imposing themselves on us?
No, I do not care for guns and do not own one. And yes, I did serve in the military.
Bottom line is this: Obama is not going to take away your hunting rifle- period. There is an add running all the time here in NC from a chair of the NRA or Gun lobby who supports Obama and says over and over that Obama is not going to take your guns away - nor will McCain.
They will uphold your 2nd ammendment right.
Now, as to whether Christians should be lobbying to that end, that is a different story and one we might disagree on.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 10/7/2008 12:58:11 PM
|
|
|
phreddy
Posts: 286
Joined: 3/28/2007
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: perichoretic
quote:
ORIGINAL: zamdad
Apparently you haven't read through the entire thread. Obama has made comments indicating he would lean in favor of disarming the citizens of this country. You saying that you don't care if he did contributes to the problem. I'm guessing you live in a city where you see no need for a gun. I would aso imagine that you do not hunt for any of your food. I would venture to guess that your only exposure to guns comes through the media and the crimes committed by people using guns. I do recall, however, seeing another of your posts indicating you've served in the military.
While you don't care for guns, there are many of us who hunt.. There are many who target shoot for fun. If the government were to disarm the citizens of this country, what's to stop them from stripping the rest of our liberties? If we have no means of defending ourselves from tyrants wishing to rule over us, how are we to stop them from imposing themselves on us?
No, I do not care for guns and do not own one. And yes, I did serve in the military.
Bottom line is this: Obama is not going to take away your hunting rifle- period. There is an add running all the time here in NC from a chair of the NRA or Gun lobby who supports Obama and says over and over that Obama is not going to take your guns away - nor will McCain.
They will uphold your 2nd ammendment right.
Now, as to whether Christians should be lobbying to that end, that is a different story and one we might disagree on.
It would be interesting to ask that chair to explain Obama's consistent votes against gun rights while he was in the Illinois legislature. I would agree with you that Obama's current platform sasy little about taking away gun rights, but he has yet to explain what made him change his position so dramatically. To me it appears to be posturing because he knows how that it would be impossible to get elected with his "old" views.
I would expect someone who was in the millitary to know that the 2nd amendment did not garauntee guns rights so that we could hunt, but specifically so that we could defend oursleves against an overbearing government (if/when that happens).
|
|
|
|
|
RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 10/7/2008 1:05:21 PM
|
|
|
perichoretic
Posts: 93
Joined: 10/1/2008
Status: offline
|
Phreddy-
Well since we all can agree that Obama's platform is not going to take away your guns than why the fuss?
Even if he wanted to he couldn't. Now, he may be able to fight for some legislation that makes it more difficult to get a gun and lower the number of guns on the streets that aren't for the sole purpose of defense (and not an AK-47) or hunting, which would be a good move and one I hope he does.
I'm still trying to figure out why Christians are so insistent about their right to bear arms. You would almost think they were arguing that the 2nd amendment were one of the 10 commandments.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 10/7/2008 1:08:20 PM
|
|
|
phreddy
Posts: 286
Joined: 3/28/2007
Status: offline
|
The problem is that his platform does not accurately represent his position on the issue. It is political posturing to get elected.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 10/7/2008 1:10:25 PM
|
|
|
perichoretic
Posts: 93
Joined: 10/1/2008
Status: offline
|
quote:
It is political posturing to get elected.
From a politician??!!! Nooo! 
|
|
|
|
|
RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 10/7/2008 11:30:05 PM
|
|
|
ManimalX
Posts: 1231
Joined: 10/25/2005
Status: online
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: perichoretic
Phreddy-
Well since we all can agree that Obama's platform is not going to take away your guns than why the fuss?
Even if he wanted to he couldn't. Now, he may be able to fight for some legislation that makes it more difficult to get a gun and lower the number of guns on the streets that aren't for the sole purpose of defense (and not an AK-47) or hunting, which would be a good move and one I hope he does.
I'm still trying to figure out why Christians are so insistent about their right to bear arms. You would almost think they were arguing that the 2nd amendment were one of the 10 commandments.
The way to get less guns "on the street" is to enact more severe punishments for violent gun crimes, not to restrict law-abiding citizens.
_____________________________
"But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed." - 2nd Peter 3:10
|
|
|
|
|
RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 10/7/2008 11:53:34 PM
|
|
|
buddamus
Posts: 4
Joined: 10/7/2008
Status: offline
|
The bottom line guys, Obama or anybody else for that matter does not have the right to take any firearm away.. the second amendment clearly states "to secure a free state" "right shall not be infringed." Im sorry I never knew a hunting rifle to secure a free state. Taking away any part of that freedom is like saying you still have a right to free speech.. but you must omit religion, politics, and personal opinions. Plus if you ban those guns from the law abiding, then only those who are willing to break the law will have them. And for the gentleman that served in the military thank you for working to protect the freedoms I hold dear.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 10/7/2008 11:59:29 PM
|
|
|
Zhi
Posts: 1428
Joined: 7/31/2007
Status: online
|
I suppose it depends on how good a shot you are, buddamus ;)
You do bring up a good point though... in order to fulfill the part about "to secure a free state". We have a few guns, but nothing that can stand up to anything that the US military currently has... maybe we need to start issuing cutting edge missiles to responsible citizens to make sure the government behaves.
_____________________________
The optimist says the glass is half full. The pessimist says the glass is half empty. The engineer says the glass is twice as large as it needs to be.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 10/8/2008 6:29:06 AM
|
|
|
perichoretic
Posts: 93
Joined: 10/1/2008
Status: offline
|
quote:
The way to get less guns "on the street" is to enact more severe punishments for violent gun crimes, not to restrict law-abiding citizens.
Or maybe there would be far less violent gun crimes if there were less guns on the street.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 10/8/2008 10:31:05 AM
|
|
|
ManimalX
Posts: 1231
Joined: 10/25/2005
Status: online
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: perichoretic
quote:
The way to get less guns "on the street" is to enact more severe punishments for violent gun crimes, not to restrict law-abiding citizens.
Or maybe there would be far less violent gun crimes if there were less guns on the street.
This has already been discussed and demonstrated a failing argument, brother.
Remember this pithy statement, because it is true: When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
In other words, taking away guns from law-abiding citizens means that non-law-abiding citizens will be the only ones who have guns because most of them don't get them legally anyway. When you take away guns from the honest public, gun crime goes up. When the public is armed, gun crime goes down, university shootings are avoided, and church shooters are brought down before they can kill hundreds, a la Jeanne Assam.
_____________________________
"But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed." - 2nd Peter 3:10
|
|
|
|
|
RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 10/8/2008 10:39:32 AM
|
|
|
perichoretic
Posts: 93
Joined: 10/1/2008
Status: offline
|
Manimal-
What is the violent crime rate in Canada and England?
What are their gun laws?
quote:
When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
I like that and think I'll use it to apply to your abortion argument.
|
|
|
|
 New Messages |
 No New Messages |
 Hot Topic w/ New Messages |
 Hot Topic w/o New Messages |
 Locked w/ New Messages |
 Locked w/o New Messages |
|
 Post New Thread
Reply to Message
Post New Poll
Submit Vote
Delete My Own Post
Delete My Own Thread
Rate Posts |
|
|
Forum Tools
Printable Version
