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RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 10/8/2008 12:14:19 PM
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perichoretic
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Can you share your source for that info, Stephanos?
Thanks.
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RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 10/8/2008 8:19:32 PM
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buddamus
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Manimal-
What is the violent crime rate in Canada and England?
What are their gun laws?
Pardon me for responding to manimals question but Google "violent crime in england"
the top 3 finds should suffice, and one of the articles is by the mainstream BBC, in case you would not trust the first two. Yes the government is strong,... but not always right. They get stronger by taking away, piece by piece. We are supposed to be a nation of citizen leaders, but now the average citizen turns their back to the problems letting the government take more. The more they take, the more we are subjects and subjects loose a lot more than their revolver.
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RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 10/8/2008 8:40:26 PM
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Stephanos
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ORIGINAL: perichoretic
Can you share your source for that info, Stephanos?
Thanks.
Your wish is my command.
Why Britan needs more guns
Just a few selections I find interesting.
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According to a recent UN study, England and Wales have the highest crime rate and worst record for "very serious" offences of the 18 industrial countries surveyed.
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But despite, or because, of this, violent crime in America has been plummeting for 10 consecutive years, even as British violence has been rising. By 1995 English rates of violent crime were already far higher than America's for every major violent crime except murder and rape.
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You are now six times more likely to be mugged in London than New York. Why? Because as common law appreciated, not only does an armed individual have the ability to protect himself or herself but criminals are less likely to attack them. They help keep the peace. A study found American burglars fear armed home-owners more than the police. As a result burglaries are much rarer and only 13% occur when people are at home, in contrast to 53% in England.
Or if you are in the mood for hard statiscics...
Total Crime Per Captia
Now 85 to 80 may not seem large, but the fact that the UK has a hire rate of crime than the US at all speaks volumes.
Or Perception of Safety
If England is so much safer with out guns, why are only 70% of the people not afraid of walking at night, as opposed to 80% of Americans. What really would be intersting is how people feel in states that have CCW permits (currently 39 are free shall issue, with only 2 that completely ban CC).
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RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 10/8/2008 11:48:07 PM
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ManimalX
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Thanks Stephanos and buddamus. You rock, bros! I was going to start digging to find the old sources I got this info from, but now I don't have to. Thanks!
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RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 10/9/2008 4:47:41 PM
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phreddy
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I believe strongly in passive agressive behavior such as Jesus said. If they can enact that in their profession, God be with them.
Could you clarify your statement on Jesus and passive aggressive behavior? I have not seen anything like that in my Bible study.
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RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 10/9/2008 7:47:55 PM
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ManimalX
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rebelman: I will address the points in your post one at a time later tonight if I have time, as well as the less-than-convincing article you posted.
For now, can you answer me this: Is it acceptable for a Christian to become a police officer? Is a Christian allowed to become Secret Service agent? Or a prison guard? How about a security guard? Is it acceptable for a Christian to join the military? Should a Christian ever be a bodyguard?
I am sure you probably already see my point, but I would like a response.
I can already read a condescending tone as usual, what can I expect? I get better attention from atheists. 
I believe strongly in passive agressive behavior such as Jesus said. If they can enact that in their profession, God be with them.
First, apologies if I come across as "condescending". I am not trying to appear such, but since I generally only deal in straight ideas and facts without an emotional filter I can understand how it comes across that way. As far as atheists giving you attention: if you want to get emotionally affirmed by fools who deny God, that is your prerogative. As your brother in Christ, my interest is making sure you know real truth, not making you feel warm and fuzzy (though that is a likely state once you know truth :)
That being said, you didn't answer my questions: Is it acceptable for a Christian to become a police officer? Is a Christian allowed to become Secret Service agent? Or a prison guard? How about a security guard? Is it acceptable for a Christian to join the military? Should a Christian ever be a bodyguard?
You know a person can't do these things in the "passive aggressive" manner that you seem to think exemplifies Jesus, so are Christians in these professions sinning?
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"But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed." - 2nd Peter 3:10
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RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 10/9/2008 8:12:48 PM
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Stephanos
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Can you share your source for that info, Stephanos?
Thanks.
While this does not deal directly with the issue of Guns in England, it does deal directly with the same attitude that they have against guns...
Check this out
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A British gardener’s local council has ordered him to remove a 3-foot high barbed wire fence around his property in case thieves hurt themselves on it, the Daily Mail reported Thursday.
The Criminal might hurt themselves?
How about this story from England?
GOing to jail for defending ones self?
And how about the case of Tony Martin
And England is safer than the USA? Maybe...For the criminal!!!
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RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 10/9/2008 10:13:20 PM
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buddamus
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Funny, also violent crime in england with "homemad firearms" is up 46%. You will never keep weapons out of the hands of criminals, only the law abiding. Here is an interesting question, how many of you believe The total lack of morals in this country nowadays has something to do with violent crime? Or is it more to do with easing consequences on offenders? God love our animals and nature, But now it seems they are becomeing more important than human life. You can now get a stiffer punishment for cruely killing a cat, yet at the same time get a deal of manslauter for killing a fellow person. I know it seems i'm getting a little off subject but it gives an example to my question on our topic.
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RE: The Gun Ban Cometh: Obama WILL Disarm You - 10/9/2008 10:17:31 PM
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buddamus
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Sorry, *( homemade Firearm).
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