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Now that is a lie - 9/24/2008 11:52:39 AM
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joy2give2u
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As evident on the threads, we single Christians, have moments when the circumstances in our lives, including the circumstance of being single, seem too heavy of a burden for us to carry.
We feel discouraged and think if only we were married then everything would be better.
I don't think it is the circumstance of being single that is really the problem as much as the lies Satan speaks and we believe in our singleness.
This thread's purpose is not to focus on Satan but instead to reveal his lies.
Lies always lose their power when they are revealed in the light.
My challenge to you and myself, in this thread, is for each of us to look at our circumstances, not only that of being single but the other circumstances in our lives, ask God to identify and name the lies we are believing and then to boldly bring those lies into the light.
Once those lies are in the light they no longer have a voice to speak into our circumstances.......
One of the lies I was believing, and admittedly still struggle with at times, which was spoken into my single circumstances was that I am not only unlovable but that I am also incapable of loving.
By identifying and naming the lie I was believing God lead me to repentance and then replaced the lie with His truth.......and his truth is that not only am I very lovable but I have an overabundance of love to give to others.
Can you identify and name the lies spoken in your single circumstances?
What is God's truth which is replacing this lie?
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RE: Now that is a lie - 9/24/2008 12:07:46 PM
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Good thread idea Joy! (I'll come back when I discover one in my life.)
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RE: Now that is a lie - 9/24/2008 12:33:28 PM
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The biggest lie that I've had thrown at me all my life is that I wasn't capable of doing anything I set out to do. (I got that from my father.) I never had heard an encouraging word (let alone, "I love you" from him). So, all my life, I have believed that I wasn't good enough. Well, you know what? I AM good enough - as God has given me amazing abilities that are to be used for HIM. I know that I AM good enough - for God to use! And He's the ONLY person I need to seek to please.
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RE: Now that is a lie - 9/24/2008 12:38:08 PM
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Can you identify and name the lies spoken in your single circumstances? That I will never find a guy who is where I want and need him to be spiritually, that I have my standards for myself set too high. When my family/friends tell me I should just settle for one of the guys who like me because any of them are "nice enough". When the devil whispers in my ear that it is something wrong with me, that's the reason I haven't found Prince Charming yet. quote:
What is God's truth which is replacing this lie? Psalm 37:5 - " Delight yourself in the Lord and He will give you the desires and secret petitions of your heart." If I am seeking God and doing my best to serve Him, He knows what kind of guy my heart desires and that my heart desires a guy that is in love fully with Jesus Christ, He will give me my heart's longings, I don't have to settle for second best, I just have to trust Him! Psalm 139:14 - "I praise You because You made me in an amazing and wonderful way..." I am perfect and beautiful to God, He made me just the way that I am for a reason and a purpose. And some guy somewhere will love me for who I am, not who I am trying to pretend to be! Until that day comes, I will chase God with all that I am and wait expectantly for the Lord to answer my heart's secret petitions! Anyhow, that's what I have learned so far in the past few weeks!
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RE: Now that is a lie - 9/25/2008 12:38:22 PM
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Can you identify and name the lies spoken in your single circumstances?
What is God's truth which is replacing this lie?
Biggest Lies?
That I cannot do this by myself (with the Lord of course).
That I NEED a man to fill in where my husband left off.
That I am not strong enough, smart enough, motivated enough.
I heard some of the things Lisa did when I was growing up. In fact, my parents fully expected me to fall flat on my face after my husband died. They even built a large 4 bedroom house for their retirement in Arkansas, thinking that my girls and I would be living with them. They are still amazed that things just keep getting better and that I am able to do it. I am not doing a great job yet, but, I am doing better than even I thought I could.
Truth:
-I can do all things though Christ who strengthens me.
-He will never leave me or forsake me.
-I may have been called for such a time as this.
-If God be for me, who can be against me.
-He says we can take refuge under the shadow of His wing, and He means it.
-His burden is much lighter than mine.
Isaiah 64:3-4
When You did awesome things which we did not expect, You came down, the mountains quaked at Your presence. For from days of old they have not heard or perceived by ear, Nor has the eye seen a God besides You, Who acts in behalf of the one who waits for Him.
Actually the Truth that refutes the lies is immeasurable.
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RE: Now that is a lie - 9/25/2008 1:16:58 PM
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Just a quick post.....
I think one of the biggest lie I had to face was the lie propagated by the self esteem generation....that the world revolves around me, that I'm faultless, I'm loveable no matter what I do, that I can do whatever I want, be whoever I want to be, be the best among everyone...that I am the centre of the universe....
The honest truth is...you know what, I am not that loveable, that I can be neurotic, can be judgemental and condemning, can be self righteous, overly arrogant, etc. The truth is, there's a battle inside of me that pushes me to be either who I am at this point, vs who I want or who God wants me to be....and more often than not, I win...myself win...the ugly "me" rears it's ugly head all the time....and I turn a blind eye on every form of correction. Yeah...."pride" has told me "I am"...every time...and God screams out every time "that is a lie...because I AM".
That is why I need GOd...because, I know the real me is not that worthy of being love more often than not.........But I know God loves me anyway....
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RE: Now that is a lie - 9/25/2008 1:21:49 PM
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Just a quick post.....
I think one of the biggest lie I had to face was the lie propagated by the self esteem generation....that the world revolves around me, that I'm faultless, I'm loveable no matter what I do, that I can do whatever I want, be whoever I want to be, be the best among everyone...that I am the centre of the universe....
The honest truth is...you know what, I am not that loveable, that I can be neurotic, can be judgemental and condemning, can be self righteous, overly arrogant, etc. The truth is, there's a battle inside of me that pushes me to be either who I am at this point, vs who I want or who God wants me to be....and more often than not, I win...myself win...the ugly "me" rears it's ugly head all the time....and I turn a blind eye on every form of correction. Yeah...."pride" has told me "I am"...every time...and God screams out every time "that is a lie...because I AM".
That is why I need GOd...because, I know the real me is not that worthy of being love more often than not.........But I know God loves me anyway....
Quick but awesome post PH. 
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RE: Now that is a lie - 9/25/2008 1:39:23 PM
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ORIGINAL: WaitingforBoaz
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ORIGINAL: Prairiehiker
Just a quick post.....
I think one of the biggest lie I had to face was the lie propagated by the self esteem generation....that the world revolves around me, that I'm faultless, I'm loveable no matter what I do, that I can do whatever I want, be whoever I want to be, be the best among everyone...that I am the centre of the universe....
The honest truth is...you know what, I am not that loveable, that I can be neurotic, can be judgemental and condemning, can be self righteous, overly arrogant, etc. The truth is, there's a battle inside of me that pushes me to be either who I am at this point, vs who I want or who God wants me to be....and more often than not, I win...myself win...the ugly "me" rears it's ugly head all the time....and I turn a blind eye on every form of correction. Yeah...."pride" has told me "I am"...every time...and God screams out every time "that is a lie...because I AM".
That is why I need GOd...because, I know the real me is not that worthy of being love more often than not.........But I know God loves me anyway....
Quick but awesome post PH.
I agree. Great Post PH
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RE: Now that is a lie - 9/25/2008 1:40:51 PM
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ORIGINAL: John_O
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ORIGINAL: WaitingforBoaz
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ORIGINAL: Prairiehiker
Just a quick post.....
I think one of the biggest lie I had to face was the lie propagated by the self esteem generation....that the world revolves around me, that I'm faultless, I'm loveable no matter what I do, that I can do whatever I want, be whoever I want to be, be the best among everyone...that I am the centre of the universe....
The honest truth is...you know what, I am not that loveable, that I can be neurotic, can be judgemental and condemning, can be self righteous, overly arrogant, etc. The truth is, there's a battle inside of me that pushes me to be either who I am at this point, vs who I want or who God wants me to be....and more often than not, I win...myself win...the ugly "me" rears it's ugly head all the time....and I turn a blind eye on every form of correction. Yeah...."pride" has told me "I am"...every time...and God screams out every time "that is a lie...because I AM".
That is why I need GOd...because, I know the real me is not that worthy of being love more often than not.........But I know God loves me anyway....
Quick but awesome post PH.
I agree. Great Post PH
So do I - so she even got stars without any of you asking! 
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When blood and water hit the ground.
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We were free and made alive.
The day true love died. The day true love died.
Lisa is happy THE ROWDIES ARE BACK!
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RE: Now that is a lie - 9/25/2008 1:43:23 PM
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The honest truth is...you know what, I am not that lovable, that I can be neurotic, can be judgemental and condemning, can be self righteous, overly arrogant, etc. The truth is, there's a battle inside of me that pushes me to be either who I am at this point, vs who I want or who God wants me to be....and more often than not, I win...myself win...the ugly "me" rears it's ugly head all the time....and I turn a blind eye on every form of correction. Yeah...."pride" has told me "I am"...every time...and God screams out every time "that is a lie...because I AM". PH I am going to have to disagree with you but then again I think you knew I would LOL
Who we are under the curse is not who we really are.......who we really are is a person created in the imagine of the Lord. At the fall our true identify, who we really are, fell as well...........Jesus came to put things back in the correct order........he came to provide a way for us to once again be who we are under all the ick which came along with the fall.
When we became a christian Jesus opened up a way for our true identify........who we really are in the Lord to begin to come to the surface......... and daily we are being transformed from the inside out.......our true identify is slowly emerging.
As long as we continue to see ourselves as fallen sinners we will struggle as fallen sinners.........when we begin to see ourselves as children of God who sometimes sin it changes our view of ourselves.
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Yeah...."pride" has told me "I am"...every time...and God screams out every time "that is a lie...because I AM ".
I am what I am.......is a lie I agree
We were never intended to be what we are now.......we were never created to walk through life with the I am what I am so just accept me this way cause I have.
We were created to reflect the glory of the one who is I AM.........and he is the one who works in us transforming us daily to reflect I AM
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That is why I need GOd...because, I know the real me is not that worthy of being love more often than not. Love is not based on the receiver but the giver.........
Loving someone based on whether they are worthy of love or not is not true love. IMHO
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RE: Now that is a lie - 9/25/2008 1:48:23 PM
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LOL....Joy, I knew you would....sometimes, it's an involuntary reaction, lol
Romans 7:
21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? 25
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin. For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!
Anyone care to expound on the meaning of the bolded word as it is used in this sentence.....and context.........
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RE: Now that is a lie - 9/25/2008 1:51:32 PM
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....and by replying to your challenge, you can see the "I am" in clear evidence.......
Oh what a wretched man I am, as Paul said........
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RE: Now that is a lie - 9/25/2008 2:03:03 PM
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LOL....Joy, I knew you would....sometimes, it's an involuntary reaction, lol Well since you basically replied to my pm through the thread it didn't take much to put 2 and 2 together.
As for Romans 7 read on.....
< Message edited by joy2give2u -- 9/25/2008 2:10:40 PM >
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RE: Now that is a lie - 9/25/2008 2:09:08 PM
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Just partially replied...I was planning on replying on Tues after I come back from my get away to quiet all the noise that's in my head right now...and to mull over what you said....
I still will...maybe with a more clear perspective..........
..and the voices in my head.....don't worry, it's not like that at all, lol....I'm not hearing voices....I'm just being pulled from every direction right now.........
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RE: Now that is a lie - 9/25/2008 2:12:11 PM
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and the voices in my head.....don't worry, it's not like that at all, lol....I'm not hearing voices....I'm just being pulled from every direction right now......... I will pray all the other voices will be quiet so you can hear the soft voice which needs to be heard the loudest
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RE: Now that is a lie - 9/25/2008 2:41:59 PM
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Thanks, Joy...
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RE: Now that is a lie - 9/29/2008 2:45:02 PM
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PH I know you said you would post again on Tuesday........I have been thinking a lot about this thread.......and the more I think about it the more my heart saddens as I think about how sad it must make the Lord to see us, his precious children, seeing ourselves through those lies.
I think of the father of a young girl starving herself to be thin so she can be beautiful. It matters little if she is beautiful, and others tell her she is, until she sees herself as beautiful her actions will always be those of someone who thinks they are ugly.
Verse after verse can be listed where the Lord shares with us our true identity. Where he speaks of us being His beautiful child, His beloved, precious in His site and reflecting His glory..........and on and on..........but as long as we chose to see ourselves as we were before we will continue to walk as we were...........
Now matter how hard we do so by our own might we will always walk like a sinner if we believe our true identity is that of a sinner.
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....and by replying to your challenge, you can see the "I am" in clear evidence.......
Oh what a wretched man I am, as Paul said........ I missed this comment before..........which challenge are you replying too?.........As for Paul did you read verse 8?
Your thoughts?
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RE: Now that is a lie - 9/29/2008 2:58:54 PM
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I think of the father of a young girl starving herself to be thin so she can be beautiful. It matters little if she is beautiful, and others tell her she is, until she sees herself as beautiful her actions will always be those of someone who thinks they are ugly.
That is so true joy, I know what it's like to be that young girl, I was there myself only two short
years ago, and until I got it through my head that I am BEAUTIFUL, that the Lord sees me as
beautiful, it didn't matter how many guys asked me out or how many people told me I was
pretty, I couldn't believe it. I won't say I go to the mirror and I am always thrilled with what I
see, but, I see myself as someone who can be loved and who to Jesus Christ is the most
gorgeous girl in the world! I have been able to learn that what makes you really beautiful is not
what your face looks like but rather, what your heart looks like! That was a lie that I had let
Satan whisper to me for so long, that if I didn't look like a model, no guy would ever love me,
but you know what, I don't want the kind of guy who would fall in love with a fake, pretending to
be someone there not model anyway! I want a man of God and to capture the heart of that kind
of man, I have to have a heart that is seeking to capture and take hold of the heart of God! May
we never forget that true beauty is what lies within in us, not just what is on the outside of us!
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RE: Now that is a lie - 9/29/2008 3:11:11 PM
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Thanks for posting jesuschick...........yes true beauty come from deep inside but inside is not where it is intended to stay..........We are transformed as soon as we accept Jesus as our Lord and savior..........inside...........our true identy, who we were created to be without the curse, is made a live again..........as we walk in relationship with the Lord, and begin to see ourselves as he sees us, our true identity.........we begin to reflect on the outside what is already on the inside.
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RE: Now that is a lie - 9/29/2008 3:23:31 PM
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Thanks for posting jesuschick...........yes true beauty come from deep inside but inside is not where it is intended to stay..........We are transformed as soon as we accept Jesus as our Lord and savior..........inside...........our true identify, who we were created to be without the curse, is made a live again..........as we walk in relationship with the Lord, and begin to see ourselves as he sees us, our true identity.........we begin to reflect on the outside what is already on the inside.
You put it perfectly! I got told last night that my smile radiates with the love of Jesus, that really
made my day for someone to be able to see that shining from me!
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You are my, my life!" -Hillsong United-
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RE: Now that is a lie - 9/29/2008 3:29:24 PM
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It saddens me that so many of our brothers and sisters live their lives seeing themselves as a sinful man, who can't help what he does, instead of seeing themself as God sees them. I think sometimes people chose to not see themselves as they were created to be because as long as they can hang unto the sinner mentality they can justify their sin.
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RE: Now that is a lie - 9/29/2008 4:15:12 PM
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Next time someone cuts you off in traffic, see how you respond. Is your automatic response with loving kindness, down on your knees and pray for the person who cut you off? Or does your middle finger go up, lol. Ok, maybe not the finger...but does a few frown lines appear on your face?
Next time someone challenges you on your posts or tries to have the last word on an issue you're passionate about, how do you respond? Do you keep on going convincing him/her you're right? Do you make judgement in a not so obvious way that only the one with a discerning mind can see?
How strong is the hold of pride in your life? Answer truthfully, because whether we admit it or not, some things are just obvious. For me, that's my biggest challenge. And God has been humbling me.
Sanctification is an ongoing process. We were justified when we put our trust on Jesus as our Lord and Saviour. But we still have to go through the process of God purifying us; of changing us; molding us. It doesnt' happen in an instant.
I think to not face our shortcoming or to turn a blind eye on our weaknesses is to miss out on a lot of the mechanism that God has placed in the sanctification process. Acknowledging where we are weak, where we fail and giving it to God is the one of the first step in fruit production.
As for the inner beauty/outer beauty thing. Even a supermodel who is dropped dead gorgeous but with a rotten, self centred personality will find that her distorted way of acquiring love is just the same as the anorexic woman. In the end, they will push away love if they grasp that outer beauty doesn't make them loveable.
I have posted a thread in the faithwalk forum about our Christian identity a long time ago, but I found that it only resulted in a lot of arguments and it turned ugly. Pride always prevent people from really engaging in a loving conversation...and always turns it into I'm wrong and you're right. I admit...I am.
PS...I'm cooking dinner for my dinner party...I might come back later on tonight.
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RE: Now that is a lie - 9/29/2008 5:04:41 PM
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Next time someone cuts you off in traffic, see how you respond. Is your automatic response with loving kindness, down on your knees and pray for the person who cut you off? Or does your middle finger go up, lol. Ok, maybe not the finger...but does a few frown lines appear on your face?
Just had to giggle about this. Everyone used to tease me when they rode in my car when my munchkin was just a little toddler, because if someone cut me off, he would raise his hand and wave to them. They were expecting him to give the "one-fingered wave" ... but, no. It was a true wave with a true smile. Who did he learn that from? Me.
When someone cuts me off in traffic, there are no vulgar words coming from my mouth. No rude hand gestures. Not even any frown lines. My thoughts? "Well, I guess they're in a bigger hurry than me."
Behavior is a learned process. Just because "most" people in the world choose to conduct themselves a certain way, does not mean everyone does. That's the lie that so many choose to believe ... and it starts at a young age. "Well, everyone else is doing it."
Those are the lies I see most often ... just because the majority do it or think it, that when someone doesn't do or think it, the thought process seems to be that they must be phony. God wants us to do good. He wants us to think pure thoughts. As believers, we need to encourage and support one another in these endeavors.
If one challenges our thoughts or beliefs, how firmly are our feet planted upon the Rock? Does a challenge cause us to sway a little? Does a foot slip? Does it cause us look at something from another viewpoint (ah, I never thought of it quite like that), or do we choose to me mean-spirited as a protective measure (these are my beliefs and you can't change them)?
Just curious ... because the lies we encounter in our own lives will do this to us.
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RE: Now that is a lie - 9/29/2008 5:59:50 PM
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joy2give2u
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I think to not face our shortcoming or to turn a blind eye on our weaknesses is to miss out on a lot of the mechanism that God has placed in the sanctification process. Acknowledging where we are weak, where we fail and giving it to God is the one of the first step in fruit production Is that what you believe I am suggesting?.......that we not face our shortcomings?
Does our fruit come from saying no to our sinful nature or does it come from our new nature which is one with the spirit?
Is it turning a blind eye to stop seeing myself as I was in my old sinful nature and instead see myself as I am now in Christ?
Mechanism that God has placed in the sanctification process. Interesting........what are the mechanisms that God has placed in order to allow the sanctification process to proceed? We know it is not by obeying laws....since God gave us laws so that we might realize that rules/laws can not sanctify us.
What is sanctification?
1. to make holy; set apart as sacred; consecrate.
2. to purify or free from sin: Sanctify your hearts.
3. to impart religious sanction to; render legitimate or binding: to sanctify a vow.
4. to entitle to reverence or respect.
5. to make productive of or conducive to spiritual blessing.
Did Jesus not do this at the cross?
Is it possible the reason we continue to live our lives as though we have not been sanctified is because we still live our lives based on our old identities?
Is it possible our continued transformation, and yes I believe we are continually being transformed, has more to do with how we see ourselves then how God sees us?
Is it also possible the transformation is not so that we will become more righteous but so we will begin to see ourselves as righteous?
If you were to take a pauper, show him evidence he is a prince, explain to him how an evil witch placed a spell on him preventing everyone in the kingdom, including himself, to see he is royal blood, and then took him to the castle placing him in the rightful position as prince would he immediately begin to act as a prince acts? Or would it take time for him to see himself as a prince?
Does the prince seeing himself still as a pauper thus reacting as one make him any less a prince?
Which would lead most to his transformation from pauper to prince..........focusing daily on trying to stop doing the things a pauper would do or focusing daily on doing the things a prince would do? Which would have him walking more and more as a prince each day?
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we still have to go through the process of God purifying us; of changing us; molding us. It doesn't' happen in an instant. I agree we still have to go through the process of God transforming us........I am not saying God isn't still working on us and that we don't need lots of work but is this work what makes us sanctified? I believe the work God is doing in us has more to do with us seeing ourselves as we really are and not who we are because of the curse.
Romans is very clear who we are.......Paul is very clear who we are both under the curse and free from it...........He speaks of who we are as far as our old sinful nature is concerned.......He gives in detail what it is like to walk seeing ourselves as still enslaved to that nature............before and after he talks about our sindful nature he explains how we are no longer the same person........we are no longer ruled by the person we became because of the curse and are now free to be who God created us to be.
The lie we believe is that we have no choice.......we do.
The examples you gave..........
Each one offers a choice........one we must make........and each day we continue to make that choice.........sometimes we respond as a prince and sometimes we respond as a pauper..........each time we make a choice we reinforce how we see ourselves..........if we continue to response as a pauper we will continue to respond as a pauper but the more we chose to respond as if we were the prince the more we will begin to see ourselves as a prince and our actions will begin to be those of a prince......We are not transformed from the outside in but the inside out.
There is a reason each of us is single...........most of us have had relationships which have failed........why?
The point of this thread is to bring out into the light lies we have believed which have affected our relationships.......
This topic is a big one for me........why?
Because I believe we try so hard to stop being a pauper that we often never learn to be a prince.........and as long as we do not see ourselves as the royalty we are we will continue to build relationship based on a pauper mentality.
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RE: Now that is a lie - 9/29/2008 6:28:45 PM
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joy2give2u
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Sam I agree our behaviors are conditioned, they are a part of our sinful nature, developed as we walked still under the curse...........
I have never flipped anyone off nor do I get mad when someone cuts me off............As a new creation I don't struggle in this area because it was never a part of my old nature.......BUT there are plenty of things which were that I have to make a choice of how I will respond.
Like my example of the prince and the pauper.........each time the prince response as a prince his reality changes.......slowly his reality becomes that of a prince and his natural responses begin to reflect those of a prince not a pauper..........
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Does a challenge cause us to sway a little? Does a foot slip? Does it cause us look at something from another viewpoint I think this goes along with the lie PH brought up........asking how we respond when someone challenges us on a post ............if we feel threatened by questions or believe we have the final answer and nothing further will be gained by exploring deeper haven't we closed ourselves off from learning and growing in this area?.......
We live with a western mindset which likes each question to have a definite answer and that answer should be the end.............where the bible was written with an eastern mindset......which says an answer is just the doorway for the next question to walk through to the next answer.......it is the journey which transforms us more then then any one answer.
Sam I was thinking about what you wrote.......I wonder how often the reason we feel challenged is because we feel more secure in what we know then what we do not........even when it comes to the Lord.
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