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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/24/2008 4:56:25 PM
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csl7037
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He's on TV right now definitely stressing that he called McCain this morning and initiated the talk of some stupid joint statement.
It's not about making a statement! Do your job, enough with the politics and one-upmanship, and get your booty off the beach and go do your job! Oh he's infuriating.
Mr. Chairman - I vote Present!
He has no intention of even going to Washing to do that! He's just going to sit this one out and neglect the duties of the job he was already elected to. He's going on about how he's talked to Paulson and he's talked to Pelosi like he's already the President and what Congress is doing right now isnt' his business. I wish I worked for the Republican Party of Illinois right now! I'd be holding my own press conference!
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/24/2008 4:58:11 PM
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csl7037
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I think both should go to work.
I think the debate should go on.
I think they both could have better attendance and voting records.
ABSENTEEISM
Unless they move the debate to DC, they can't do both.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/24/2008 5:01:40 PM
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csl7037
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I think both should go to work.
I think the debate should go on.
I think they both could have better attendance and voting records.
ABSENTEEISM
Unless they move the debate to DC, they can't do both.
I know. I think that would be a great move. 
Maybe McCain could just join by teleconference. These discussions will be going on into the night Friday night, though. This is all just crazy, isn't it?
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/24/2008 5:14:28 PM
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You can rarely get an accurate picture of a politician from what they say. What's most revealing is a pattern of behavior. Senator McCain has a pattern of putting the country ahead of his interests. Stopping his campaign to deal with this crisis. (Incidentally doing the job he was actually elected to do.) Voting for the surge when it was politically unpopular because he thought it was the right thing to do. Fits right in with what he did back as a POW - refusing early release.
Senator Obama's pattern is not so laudable. Undermining the United States in negotiations with a foreign power. Worried more about the election than the economic crisis. And this is the second time he's been elected to an office only to run for a higher one at the earliest opportunity (he ran for Congress before even serving out his first term in the Illinois State Senate).
In my opinion, Senator McCain's behavior is that of someone who might actually believe he's a public servant; Senator Obama's speaks of someone who is power-hungry. I know which one I would rather have in the White House.
Furthermore, as to any delay in the debate, if I'm not mistaken this first one was to be on National Security and Foreign Policy, wasn't it? Those are Senator McCain's strong points. If anything a delay would be in Senator Obama's favor, giving him more prep time with his advisors.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/24/2008 6:54:36 PM
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AdrianaS
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McCain just suspended the debates to return to Washington to address the economic crisis. Obama is following suit.
I think I heard that the campaigning is halted until the crisis is resolved.
I cannot believe it! I have been waiting for the debates and now..
I'm sorry but try another excuse or tactics or whatever because that one I'm not buying and I am worrying about the economy for a long time, its the 1st priority issue in this country to my understanding much before the Wall Street crises and bail out showed up last week.
Patriotism left the economic building a long time ago and for this motive we are in this mess.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/24/2008 7:02:33 PM
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IMO, McCain's suggestion to postpone or cancel Friday's first presidential debate is not necessary for the following reasons.
a) The debate is 90 minutes, enough time for Obama and McCain to spend the next 36 hours working in DC, and then fly to Mississippi on Friday afternoon, and then back to Washington that night to work the weekend.
b) The Congress is capable of functioning w/o McCain and Obama for a few hours.
c) The bailout proposal likely will not be ironed out until next week, or later.
d) As of tonight, the debate organizers at Ole Miss intend to proceed with the debate on time.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/24/2008 7:24:26 PM
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The total number of "present" votes Obama took in the IL Senate (a tactic many use to freeze legislation without outright killing it) amounts to about one-percent.
What did I just post two steps up?
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The total number of "present" votes Obama took in the IL Senate (a tactic many use to freeze legislation without outright killing it) amounts to about one-percent.
Does anyone bother to read here?
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/24/2008 7:28:41 PM
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Actually I love a good debate....but all things considered the debate may only be 90 minutes but the preparation time is a great deal more and with the financial markets in considerable distress and although it sounds good to quickly throw money (ours --approx. $10k over many years for each household to pay) at the situation. I think it needs to be addressed soberly and quickly by our national leaders.
If anything a show of unity for the American public is needed by both McCain and Obama. Yes, it'd be sad to miss a debate but I think the "Debate of the American Economy" going on in Congress is a little more important.
McCain and Obama say they want to lead this country. So let them LEAD.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/24/2008 7:30:40 PM
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This thing is going to be hammered out by staffers who know what they are doing (thank goodness, given the fact its WAY over the head of most of us, including congressmen/women.)
I don't see why its important for either of the candidates to actually be sitting around in the senate building for the next week waiting for a vote.
Then why do we need senators at all, cut out their salaries, perks, and retirements and we save a fortune.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/24/2008 7:35:43 PM
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Actually I love a good debate....but all things considered the debate may only be 90 minutes but the preparation time is a great deal more and with the financial markets in considerable distress and although it sounds good to quickly throw money (ours --approx. $10k over many years for each household to pay) at the situation. I think it needs to be addressed soberly and quickly by our national leaders.
If anything a show of unity for the American public is needed by both McCain and Obama. Yes, it'd be sad to miss a debate but I think the "Debate of the American Economy" going on in Congress is a little more important.
McCain and Obama say they want to lead this country. So let them LEAD.
For this motive that Governors , Mayors canditates can be better than Senators...
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/24/2008 7:49:53 PM
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Actually I love a good debate....but all things considered the debate may only be 90 minutes but the preparation time is a great deal more and with the financial markets in considerable distress and although it sounds good to quickly throw money (ours --approx. $10k over many years for each household to pay) at the situation. I think it needs to be addressed soberly and quickly by our national leaders.
If anything a show of unity for the American public is needed by both McCain and Obama. Yes, it'd be sad to miss a debate but I think the "Debate of the American Economy" going on in Congress is a little more important.
McCain and Obama say they want to lead this country. So let them LEAD.
For this motive that Governors , Mayors canditates can be better than Senators...
You really need to go back study the Constitution and basic Civics because it is Congress that handles the purse strings. McCain, 0bama and Biden have a civic responsibility to do the job that they are currently elected to do not run around the country running for office. None of them resigned their seat therefore they need to get to Washington and do their job.
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The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
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Even as he walks along the road, the fool lacks sense and shows everyone how stupid he is. ~ Ecc. 10:2-3
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/24/2008 8:03:40 PM
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AdrianaS
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You really need to go back study the Constitution and basic Civics because it is Congress that handles the purse strings. McCain, 0bama and Biden have a civic responsibility to do the job that they are currently elected to do not run around the country running for office. None of them resigned their seat therefore they need to get to Washington and do their job.
Yes sure, I really need to learn a lot of things including having patience...
Are they voting already? Or are they still deciding the issues?
I do not need to study the Constitution basics but come up with $$$$ ..USA is about that, period.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/24/2008 8:08:03 PM
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You really need to go back study the Constitution and basic Civics because it is Congress that handles the purse strings. McCain, 0bama and Biden have a civic responsibility to do the job that they are currently elected to do not run around the country running for office. None of them resigned their seat therefore they need to get to Washington and do their job.
Yes sure, I really need to learn a lot of things including having patience...
Are they voting already? Or are they still deciding the issues?
I do not need to study the Constitution basics but come up with $$$$ ..USA is about that, period.
Part of the problem is the ignorance of the people. Congress, of which the Senate is part of, is the branch of government that has to deal with this issue, not mayors or governors. We are facing a very serious economic crisis. McCain and President Bush have for years been trying to do something about this but those measures were blocked. Well the rooster has come home to roost. It is not going to be pretty for a lot of people if something isn't worked out soon. Whoever the next POTUS is will have to deal with this for most of their term. It would be prudent and wise for them to be involved with the process.
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Even as he walks along the road, the fool lacks sense and shows everyone how stupid he is. ~ Ecc. 10:2-3
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/24/2008 8:25:12 PM
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You really need to go back study the Constitution and basic Civics because it is Congress that handles the purse strings. McCain, 0bama and Biden have a civic responsibility to do the job that they are currently elected to do not run around the country running for office. None of them resigned their seat therefore they need to get to Washington and do their job.
Yes sure, I really need to learn a lot of things including having patience...
Are they voting already? Or are they still deciding the issues?
I do not need to study the Constitution basics but come up with $$$$ ..USA is about that, period.
Part of the problem is the ignorance of the people. Congress, of which the Senate is part of, is the branch of government that has to deal with this issue, not mayors or governors. We are facing a very serious economic crisis. McCain and President Bush have for years been trying to do something about this but those measures were blocked. Well the rooster has come home to roost. It is not going to be pretty for a lot of people if something isn't worked out soon. Whoever the next POTUS is will have to deal with this for most of their term. It would be prudent and wise for them to be involved with the process.
Yeh...I am ignorant but not sooo ignorant to not know the difference between a Governor and a Senator..
Again..when I brought up none of the Presidential candidates were not Governors is because of the leadership experience Gov does have more than Senators, particularly depending the size and importance of the State. I do think most Presidents of US were Governors not Senators?
Plus for them being Senators we may ot have the debates, it would not happen if they were Governors..this was my point about bringing Governors in plus the leadership both of them seems lacking, to me.
Yes, I know we are in a serious crises. I opened an thread bout economy and participating in other threads about economy, when I can. I even come out with solution for a fund and etc...  I do have experience 1st hand of what to live in a country in recession and many etc believe me.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/24/2008 9:11:51 PM
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http://drudgereport.com/flash3cbm.htm
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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., meanwhile, said McCain’s and Obama’s presence during congressional negotiations over a rescue package would “not be helpful at this time,” saying they would be a distraction.
“We need leadership, not a campaign photo op,” Reid said. “If there were ever a time for both candidates to hold a debate before the American people about this serious challenge, it is now.” http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26872907/
The main opposition to the "bailout plan" as presented by the President's advisors is by Conservative Republican Senators (by the way, Good For Them! It would seem even Conservatives have a healthy degree of skepticism when it comes to Bush).
McCain showing up in DC will only throw sand into the machinery, why not have a debate in front of 30 Million or more Americans about what's best for the economy?! Let's have the American people hear about the different plans that are out there by one of the men who has to implement it?
1 voice in 50 has the possibility of disrupting the Senate discussion, 1 voice in 2 might just clarify the situation.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/24/2008 9:20:22 PM
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http://drudgereport.com/flash3cbm.htm
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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., meanwhile, said McCain’s and Obama’s presence during congressional negotiations over a rescue package would “not be helpful at this time,” saying they would be a distraction.
“We need leadership, not a campaign photo op,” Reid said. “If there were ever a time for both candidates to hold a debate before the American people about this serious challenge, it is now.” http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26872907/
The main opposition to the "bailout plan" as presented by the President's advisors is by Conservative Republican Senators (by the way, Good For Them! It would seem even Conservatives have a healthy degree of skepticism when it comes to Bush).
McCain showing up in DC will only throw sand into the machinery, why not have a debate in front of 30 Million or more Americans about what's best for the economy?! Let's have the American people hear about the different plans that are out there by one of the men who has to implement it?
1 voice in 50 has the possibility of disrupting the Senate discussion, 1 voice in 2 might just clarify the situation.
Harry Reid's comment is disturbing as both McCain and Obama are acting senators which more than likely (barring a third party) one will be leading this country within months. It's important -in fact, a watershed moment how they handle this crisis.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/24/2008 9:26:00 PM
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csl7037
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If anything a show of unity for the American public is needed by both McCain and Obama. Yes, it'd be sad to miss a debate but I think the "Debate of the American Economy" going on in Congress is a little more important.
McCain and Obama say they want to lead this country. So let them LEAD.
I think this whole thing has been telling. Obama wants to issue a joint statement and McCain wants to go back to work...says something about their leadership styles doesn't it?
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ORIGINAL: StephK
You really need to go back study the Constitution and basic Civics because it is Congress that handles the purse strings. McCain, 0bama and Biden have a civic responsibility to do the job that they are currently elected to do not run around the country running for office. None of them resigned their seat therefore they need to get to Washington and do their job.
This is a good point. I think Obama has all as well resigned his Senate seat. He's acting like he thinks he's already the President (Seal and all) and this is someone else's job to do.
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We are facing a very serious economic crisis. McCain and President Bush have for years been trying to do something about this but those measures were blocked. Well the rooster has come home to roost. It is not going to be pretty for a lot of people if something isn't worked out soon. Whoever the next POTUS is will have to deal with this for most of their term. It would be prudent and wise for them to be involved with the process.
McCain has been on this issue for several years. He cares about this and knows about this. This is the discussion he wanted to have a long time ago! This is a man with priorities (other than power) and he's not going to walk away from this because he realizes what's going on, how we got here, and the gravity of this situation.
Whatever is done in Congress in the few days is going to dictate the course of the next Administration regardless of who the President happens to be. Seems like something the person seriously looking at sitting in that seat in a few months would want to be in on!!
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http://drudgereport.com/flash3cbm.htm
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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., meanwhile, said McCain’s and Obama’s presence during congressional negotiations over a rescue package would “not be helpful at this time,” saying they would be a distraction.
“We need leadership, not a campaign photo op,” Reid said. “If there were ever a time for both candidates to hold a debate before the American people about this serious challenge, it is now.” http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26872907/
The main opposition to the "bailout plan" as presented by the President's advisors is by Conservative Republican Senators (by the way, Good For Them! It would seem even Conservatives have a healthy degree of skepticism when it comes to Bush).
McCain showing up in DC will only throw sand into the machinery, why not have a debate in front of 30 Million or more Americans about what's best for the economy?! Let's have the American people hear about the different plans that are out there by one of the men who has to implement it?
1 voice in 50 has the possibility of disrupting the Senate discussion, 1 voice in 2 might just clarify the situation.
Of course Reid doesn't want McCain there! And what needs to be done now is not going to be decided in a debate between two people (especially not in a debate about foreign policy). It's going to be decided by Congress because that's their JOB. IMO, there's absolutely no reason for ANY Senator not to be in DC right now except maybe Kennedy on chemo (and I'd sleep better tonight if I knew he was not in on this!). This is their job.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/24/2008 9:27:54 PM
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ORIGINAL: TaoPoohBear
http://drudgereport.com/flash3cbm.htm
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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., meanwhile, said McCain’s and Obama’s presence during congressional negotiations over a rescue package would “not be helpful at this time,” saying they would be a distraction.
“We need leadership, not a campaign photo op,” Reid said. “If there were ever a time for both candidates to hold a debate before the American people about this serious challenge, it is now.” http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26872907/
The main opposition to the "bailout plan" as presented by the President's advisors is by Conservative Republican Senators (by the way, Good For Them! It would seem even Conservatives have a healthy degree of skepticism when it comes to Bush).
McCain showing up in DC will only throw sand into the machinery, why not have a debate in front of 30 Million or more Americans about what's best for the economy?! Let's have the American people hear about the different plans that are out there by one of the men who has to implement it?
1 voice in 50 has the possibility of disrupting the Senate discussion, 1 voice in 2 might just clarify the situation.
Harry Reid's comment is disturbing as both McCain and Obama are acting senators which more than likely (barring a third party) one will be leading this country within months. It's important -in fact, a watershed moment how they handle this crisis.
It's important to hear what Obama & McCain have to say about it (say, like in a debate?!).
Conservative Pundits Rail Against Bailout
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/24/2008 9:33:29 PM
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LivingParadox
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ORIGINAL: LivingParadox
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ORIGINAL: TaoPoohBear
http://drudgereport.com/flash3cbm.htm
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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., meanwhile, said McCain’s and Obama’s presence during congressional negotiations over a rescue package would “not be helpful at this time,” saying they would be a distraction.
“We need leadership, not a campaign photo op,” Reid said. “If there were ever a time for both candidates to hold a debate before the American people about this serious challenge, it is now.” http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26872907/
The main opposition to the "bailout plan" as presented by the President's advisors is by Conservative Republican Senators (by the way, Good For Them! It would seem even Conservatives have a healthy degree of skepticism when it comes to Bush).
McCain showing up in DC will only throw sand into the machinery, why not have a debate in front of 30 Million or more Americans about what's best for the economy?! Let's have the American people hear about the different plans that are out there by one of the men who has to implement it?
1 voice in 50 has the possibility of disrupting the Senate discussion, 1 voice in 2 might just clarify the situation.
Harry Reid's comment is disturbing as both McCain and Obama are acting senators which more than likely (barring a third party) one will be leading this country within months. It's important -in fact, a watershed moment how they handle this crisis.
It's important to hear what Obama & McCain have to say about it (say, like in a debate?!).
Conservative Pundits Rail Against Bailout
Oh, I'm sure there will be debate on this issue, in Congressional debate --where it matters. A debate on Foreign policy can be rescheduled. The Financial market situation is real and needs addressing now.
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