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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/24/2008 9:33:31 PM   
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Friday's debate is/was to be about foreign affairs. Even if it were about economic issues, it would be terribly inappropriate for these two to stand up and spout of their politicized "opinions" and inane "solutions" - it would be not only fruitless but counterproductive and would undermine the process of what has to happen now . . . Congress has got to get together and fix their mess! McCain's life has been about working through these sorts of impasses - there's no way this man is walking away from his responsibility to his collegues, his constituents, and the rest of this country to engage in ridiculous political banter with the likes of Obama. Would be a complete waste of time and neglect of his responsibilities.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/24/2008 9:40:50 PM   
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I cannot stress this strongly enough, the ability to do more than one thing at once is vital to a President's resume.

Did they uninvent the telephone?
Talk to Republican Conservatives John! Ask them their advice instead of rushing off to DC!
Annouce a PLAN John, then go to DC!
Bailout Talks Advance, but Doubts Voiced in Congress
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“I am concerned that Treasury’s proposal is neither workable nor comprehensive despite its enormous price tag,” Senator Richard C. Shelby of Alabama, the senior Republican on the banking committee, said in a statement. “It would be foolish to waste massive sums of taxpayer funds testing an idea that has been hastily crafted.”
Some conservative Republicans also expressed outrage, echoing scornful comments by Newt Gingrich, the former House speaker, and Lou Dobbs, the CNN anchor, among other right-leaning critics.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/24/2008 9:49:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: csl7037

Friday's debate is/was to be about foreign affairs. Even if it were about economic issues, it would be terribly inappropriate for these two to stand up and spout of their politicized "opinions" and inane "solutions" - it would be not only fruitless but counterproductive and would undermine the process of what has to happen now . . . Congress has got to get together and fix their mess! McCain's life has been about working through these sorts of impasses - there's no way this man is walking away from his responsibility to his collegues, his constituents, and the rest of this country to engage in ridiculous political banter with the likes of Obama. Would be a complete waste of time and neglect of his responsibilities.


>Better to rush off willy-nilly then change the format of the debate?!

>Inappropriate to share their views with the American people?!
(it's their money Congress wants to spend)

>"Fruitless but counterproductive ...to engage in ridiculous political banter with the likes of Obama."
That sums up why McCain would be a terrible President - Better to take thoughtless action then thoughtful discussion.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/24/2008 9:49:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TaoPoohBear

I cannot stress this strongly enough, the ability to do more than one thing at once is vital to a President's resume.

Did they uninvent the telephone?
Talk to Republican Conservatives John! Ask them their advice instead of rushing off to DC!
Annouce a PLAN John, then go to DC!
Bailout Talks Advance, but Doubts Voiced in Congress
quote:

“I am concerned that Treasury’s proposal is neither workable nor comprehensive despite its enormous price tag,” Senator Richard C. Shelby of Alabama, the senior Republican on the banking committee, said in a statement. “It would be foolish to waste massive sums of taxpayer funds testing an idea that has been hastily crafted.”
Some conservative Republicans also expressed outrage, echoing scornful comments by Newt Gingrich, the former House speaker, and Lou Dobbs, the CNN anchor, among other right-leaning critics.




So you think Obama should call in his opinion?
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/24/2008 10:01:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LivingParadox

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ORIGINAL: TaoPoohBear

I cannot stress this strongly enough, the ability to do more than one thing at once is vital to a President's resume.

Did they uninvent the telephone?
Talk to Republican Conservatives John! Ask them their advice instead of rushing off to DC!
Annouce a PLAN John, then go to DC!
Bailout Talks Advance, but Doubts Voiced in Congress
quote:

“I am concerned that Treasury’s proposal is neither workable nor comprehensive despite its enormous price tag,” Senator Richard C. Shelby of Alabama, the senior Republican on the banking committee, said in a statement. “It would be foolish to waste massive sums of taxpayer funds testing an idea that has been hastily crafted.”
Some conservative Republicans also expressed outrage, echoing scornful comments by Newt Gingrich, the former House speaker, and Lou Dobbs, the CNN anchor, among other right-leaning critics.




So you think Obama should call in his opinion?


According to Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd (Chairman of the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs), they've been speaking daily.

And Obama has stated his opinion about the bailout legislation yesterday -
Obama Weighs In
McCain's been AWOL.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/24/2008 10:02:16 PM   
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I find it strange that as soon as Barack Obama is up 9% in the polls, that John McCain calls a "timeout."

Now, don't get me wrong. I do not doubt that McCain loves America and that he wants a solution to the financial crisis, but I have no doubts about Obama's love for and commitment to America. Furthermore, I cannot help but feel cynical about the McCain camp conditioning its presence at the first debate to an agreement on the bailout package. That indirectly puts pressure on elected officials to agree to it, despite its enormity and complexity.

Finally, it was about foreign policy to begin with, the area McCain ostensibly has more expertise in - and now McCain wants to go work on the financial sector, the area he's openly admitted he's not too well-versed in.

I cannot help but conclude this is nothing more than political calculation masked as pious statesmanship.


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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/24/2008 10:07:46 PM   
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You can rarely get an accurate picture of a politician from what they say. What's most revealing is a pattern of behavior. Senator McCain has a pattern of putting the country ahead of his interests. Stopping his campaign to deal with this crisis. (Incidentally doing the job he was actually elected to do.) Voting for the surge when it was politically unpopular because he thought it was the right thing to do. Fits right in with what he did back as a POW - refusing early release.

Senator Obama's pattern is not so laudable. Undermining the United States in negotiations with a foreign power. Worried more about the election than the economic crisis. And this is the second time he's been elected to an office only to run for a higher one at the earliest opportunity (he ran for Congress before even serving out his first term in the Illinois State Senate).

In my opinion, Senator McCain's behavior is that of someone who might actually believe he's a public servant; Senator Obama's speaks of someone who is power-hungry. I know which one I would rather have in the White House.

Furthermore, as to any delay in the debate, if I'm not mistaken this first one was to be on National Security and Foreign Policy, wasn't it? Those are Senator McCain's strong points. If anything a delay would be in Senator Obama's favor, giving him more prep time with his advisors.

-Robb


Robb, thank you!

I would add..do I really want someone as inexperienced as Obama running our economy now? Especially since most of his experience is on the campaign trail in a power-hungry pursuit????

These are not times for Obummer to be leading this country. The country needs a real leader...not a hypocrite; a power-hungry man with arrogance and hatred in his eyes

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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/24/2008 10:09:45 PM   
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Oh, I'm sure there will be debate on this issue, in Congressional debate --where it matters. A debate on Foreign policy can be rescheduled. The Financial market situation is real and needs addressing now.


I reiterate my previous post on this thread. I'm sure that McCain is definitely wanting to address the economy at the moment for political reasons as well serving the greater good. What's Obama's reason for wanting to bow out of the conversation on the economy....he's 9 points ahead....political move maybe?
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/24/2008 10:14:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TaoPoohBear

quote:

ORIGINAL: LivingParadox

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ORIGINAL: TaoPoohBear

I cannot stress this strongly enough, the ability to do more than one thing at once is vital to a President's resume.

Did they uninvent the telephone?
Talk to Republican Conservatives John! Ask them their advice instead of rushing off to DC!
Annouce a PLAN John, then go to DC!
Bailout Talks Advance, but Doubts Voiced in Congress
quote:

“I am concerned that Treasury’s proposal is neither workable nor comprehensive despite its enormous price tag,” Senator Richard C. Shelby of Alabama, the senior Republican on the banking committee, said in a statement. “It would be foolish to waste massive sums of taxpayer funds testing an idea that has been hastily crafted.”
Some conservative Republicans also expressed outrage, echoing scornful comments by Newt Gingrich, the former House speaker, and Lou Dobbs, the CNN anchor, among other right-leaning critics.




So you think Obama should call in his opinion?


According to Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd (Chairman of the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs), they've been speaking daily.
And Obama has stated his opinion about the bailout legislation yesterday -
Obama Weighs In
McCain's been AWOL.


Glad to know that Obama's got one of the gatekeepers on this fiasco updating him daily. Sounds like he's got all the information he needs.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/24/2008 10:16:06 PM   
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What a stupid, stupid stunt.

I pray that, should McCain become president, events don't force him to <gasp!> multitask.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/24/2008 10:20:14 PM   
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*GASP* I hope if Obama should become president that he will actually lead instead of call it in...
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/24/2008 10:21:05 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TaoPoohBear

I cannot stress this strongly enough, the ability to do more than one thing at once is vital to a President's resume.

Did they uninvent the telephone?
Talk to Republican Conservatives John! Ask them their advice instead of rushing off to DC!
Annouce a PLAN John, then go to DC!


Just throw out a plan. Don't bother meeting with the people who are actually working on the problem. It's campaign season, he could just get away with making some flowery sounding statement like Obama wants/wanted to do.

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ORIGINAL: TaoPoohBear
That sums up why McCain would be a terrible President - Better to take thoughtless action then thoughtful discussion.


How does that make sense when the "thoughtless action" is to go talk to the people working on the problem! That "thoughtless action" is to roll up his sleeves and do his job. "Thoughtful" (endless, meaningless, politicized) discussion would be so much more helpful right now, sure.

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ORIGINAL: RichLP

I find it strange that as soon as Barack Obama is up 9% in the polls, that John McCain calls a "timeout."

Now, don't get me wrong. I do not doubt that McCain loves America and that he wants a solution to the financial crisis, but I have no doubts about Obama's love for and commitment to America. Furthermore, I cannot help but feel cynical about the McCain camp conditioning its presence at the first debate to an agreement on the bailout package. That indirectly puts pressure on elected officials to agree to it, despite its enormity and complexity.

Finally, it was about foreign policy to begin with, the area McCain ostensibly has more expertise in - and now McCain wants to go work on the financial sector, the area he's openly admitted he's not too well-versed in.

I cannot help but conclude this is nothing more than political calculation masked as pious statesmanship.



How does that make any sense at all either! How does it benefit McCain to cancel the debate on his forte?
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/24/2008 11:05:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TaoPoohBear

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ORIGINAL: LivingParadox


So you think Obama should call in his opinion?


According to Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd (Chairman of the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs), they've been speaking daily.
And Obama has stated his opinion about the bailout legislation yesterday -
Obama Weighs In
McCain's been AWOL.


Glad to know that Obama's got one of the gatekeepers on this fiasco updating him daily. Sounds like he's got all the information he needs.

Actually, McCain HASN'T been AWOL - He's been talking with the REAL "gatekeepers on this fiasco" -

quote:

Republican presidential candidate John McCain met Wednesday with a panel of business executives to seek their opinions on the Bush administration's proposed $700 million bailout of U.S. financial markets.
Flanking McCain were former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, his one-time rival for the GOP presidential nomination, and former eBay CEO Meg Whitman. Others in the meeting were John Chambers, CEO of Cisco Systems, and John Thain, the CEO of Merrill Lynch before it was acquired by Bank of America earlier this month for a much-reduced value.
(Thain was the best-paid corporate executive in the U.S. in 2007, receiving approximately $83.1 million in salary and bonuses)
McCain talks bailout deal with CEOs


I find it strange that you can call the current Chairman of the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs a "gatekeeper on this fiasco" in one post while saying that McCain needs to be in the Senate in person to fix this fiasco in another post.
Senator McCain served as Chairman of the Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee from 1997 to 2001 and 2003 to 2005. He is currently the Ranking Member.
In less you feel that Commerce & Finance have nothing to do with one another?!
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/24/2008 11:23:35 PM   
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I'm sorry. But, the more I hear from Obama supporters the more I realize that he can do absolutely NO wrong for them. They seem not to have a single bit of critical thinking on anything he does.

By demanding the debate continue, as I KNOW that he did at least at first because I heard him say it, Obama plainly showed that his ambition to be president is bigger than his commitment to the job he has now... as a Senator.

The shallowness of saying a 90 minute debate will not hinder important business is almost shocking. Every one of these debates requires hours and hours of preparation and practice.

I know,by your reply, it's more important for you that Obama continue to campaign. But, for those of us that know this mess created by some on the Obama staff is serious stuff, we prefer that both of these candidates, and not just McCain, take it seriously.

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ORIGINAL: adelphi_sky

I find it odd that McCain would cancel a debate thinking that the bailout won't get solved without his undivided attention. He's one man. And I think a potential president should be able to handle "waiting" for a bill to sign and holding a 90 minute debate. Obama has refused to suspend the debate and I applaud him. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Presidents multi-task all the time. And McCain guarantees and consensus by Monday? Good luck. If congress could move that fast, what has been taking them so long on every other issue? This will take at least a week. Nothing a 90 minute debate can hinder.


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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/24/2008 11:38:38 PM   
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NOW we know the REAL REASON McCain wants to cancel the Friday debate -

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McCain supporter Sen. Lindsey Graham tells CNN the McCain campaign is proposing to the Presidential Debate Commission and the Obama camp that if there's no bailout deal by Friday, the first presidential debate should take the place of the VP debate, currently scheduled for next Thursday, October 2 in St. Louis.
McCain camp to propose postponing VP debate
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 1:16:01 AM   
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I love how the left in this thread have been slamming McCain for going to Washington instead of standing on the stump like Obama, hemming and hawing, saying, "Hey guys, call me if you need any help, I'll be right here!". That isn't multi-tasking, that is being useless.

McCain has been a recognized leader in the senate for years now, and he specializes in breaking partisan stalemates, something that is currently plaguing the process and throwing our markets into a tailspin - he is something rare, a leader who truly puts his country first. The cynicism of the left in this thread is only matched by their complete inability to recognize true leadership and it's importance, which would explain why they a slobbering all over Obama because he can turn a pretty phrase and tickle their ears. Obama isn't going to Washington because they don't really need him there - they do however need John McCain.

John McCain is brave and willing to take a risk, even at the expense of his own campaign; Obama and his sycophantic supporters are doing nothing to help the situation we are all in, and much to hurt it.

Obamites need to stop being part of the problem and encouraging their lump of a candidate to try a little leadership.

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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 1:49:31 AM   
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Candidates have negotiators wary
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Negotiators questioned how either presidential candidate could now enter those talks, especially when a process that started badly on Tuesday showed signs of strong progress yesterday.


But, hey, whatever keeps y'all feeling happy about McCain.

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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 2:01:25 AM   
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But, hey, whatever keeps y'all feeling happy about McCain.

"When in trouble fear and doubt, run in circles scream and shout!"--- Big Bird


I love the way you completely misread things and misquote them. The point of the article is that Democrats have been asking McCain to involve himself because of the stalemate - and only now that they fear it might give him and advantage in the election, are they suddenly 'wary'.

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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 2:13:16 AM   
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As I love the way you slur Obama's leadership, because McCain has shown so little.

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Where McCain talked about bipartisanship, Obama provided specifics across party lines.
"I also need to give credit to Republican Sen. Tom Coburn, who had called me suggesting that a joint statement might be useful," he said.
He also said he had urged Democratic congressional leaders not to pursue efforts to add an economic stimulus package to the bailout. Similarly, he said the attempt to give bankruptcy judges the power to rewrite mortgage terms, another Democratic priority, "is probably something that we shouldn't try to do in this piece of legislation."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26876219/page/2/



I do agree McCain is needed to convince Conservative Republicans to accept this deal;
Just wish he'd showed this leadership a few days earlier.
Then I might believe he was qualified to be President.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 2:23:25 AM   
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According to Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd (Chairman of the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs), they've been speaking daily.


Hope he asks Dodd how he could stand there and watch the entire mortgage industry go up in flames under his not-very-watchful eye.

Dodd=FAIL

Fact is, Obama doesn't give a rip about anything except getting elected, and figures the time's ripe for spinning bad times into a 4 year job contract where he gets to remake our country. He and his comrades have been cheerleading this along for months now.

Obama might have been elected as a Senator, but this is yet more proof that he's never really been even a Senator, he has no opinion on this policy, well, because Axelrod hasn't told him yet what he thinks yet. Why would he bother going to Washington in his role as a Senator when that was simply a stepping stone?

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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 2:24:34 AM   
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I do agree McCain is needed to convince Conservative Republicans to accept this deal;
Just wish he'd showed this leadership a few days earlier.
Then I might believe he was qualified to be President.


Really? That is all it would take, just do what he is doing now a few days earlier? What did Obama do a few days earlier about the issue to earn your undying faith in him?

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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 3:05:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Jhud

quote:

I do agree McCain is needed to convince Conservative Republicans to accept this deal;
Just wish he'd showed this leadership a few days earlier.
Then I might believe he was qualified to be President.


Really? That is all it would take, just do what he is doing now a few days earlier? What did Obama do a few days earlier about the issue to earn your undying faith in him?


Not undying faith, just respect for his alertness.
I"m not gong to change your mind, you're not going to change mine, so I think sleep is the better option than argument.
However, before I go, here's your answer -

9/19/08
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Obama said he supports President Bush's decision to give the Treasury Department broad authority to deal with the financial crisis.
Republican candidate John McCain spoke in Wisconsin and said the U.S. central bank should stop bailing out failed financial institutions.....
Voice of America


9/17/08
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Obama went to great lengths in his speech to get as specific as possible. Since then Chicago has released an in-depth fact sheet outlining Obama's plan.
You can disagree with Obama's proposals--many folks will, whether out of partisanship or principle. But to say, like McCain, that he's offering nothing but "talk" is simply false.

In fact, it's been McCain's response--not Obama's--that's felt a little light on substance so far.

The closest McCain came to a specific proposal was his promise "reduce the debt and risk that any bank can take on" and "prevent the kind of wild speculation that can put our markets at risk"--laudable goals, but little more than platitudes without actual plans to put in place. Meanwhile, unlike Obama, McCain has not posted any additional information on his website; the senator's economic plan doesn't even mention market reform. "I don't think it's, at this moment, imperative to write down exactly what the plan has to be," Douglas Holtz Eakin, McCain's top economic adviser, said yesterday. "[It's just] some standards we just have to aim for and we just haven't met." In other words, McCain doesn't need any actual policy prescriptions.
Newsweek
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 6:27:54 AM   
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I find it strange that you can call the current Chairman of the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs a "gatekeeper on this fiasco" in one post while saying that McCain needs to be in the Senate in person to fix this fiasco in another post.
Senator McCain served as Chairman of the Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee from 1997 to 2001 and 2003 to 2005. He is currently the Ranking Member.
In less you feel that Commerce & Finance have nothing to do with one another?!


I worked on staff in the State Legislature's Commerce Committee back in the day. They actually have a lot less in common than you think.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 6:37:59 AM   
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I think it's not only the best move McCain has made so far, it's the only one that makes sense.

Unless we can fix the crisis we now have what good will political rhetoric about the future do for either party?

FINALLY someone is starting to admit our country is in major trouble. I just wish one of them were Godly enough to lead with prayer and seeking God as an example for others to follow instead of worrying about who gets credit for the idea of actually addressing the problem.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 6:53:09 AM   
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I think it's not only the best move McCain has made so far, it's the only one that makes sense.

Unless we can fix the crisis we now have what good will political rhetoric about the future do for either party?

FINALLY someone is starting to admit our country is in major trouble. I just wish one of them were Godly enough to lead with prayer and seeking God as an example for others to follow instead of worrying about who gets credit for the idea of actually addressing the problem.


I agree with you but, to be perfectly honest, we had that guy - the candidate who would supposedly prayerfully go to God with the decisions of the Presidency...I feel like I was duped into feeling encouraged by that because it really didn't seem to have happened. Maybe I'm cynical now. Maybe what we should take away from the Bush Administration is that it doesn't matter all that much if our leaders are humbling themselves and praying - the Bible tells US to do that.
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