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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 7:11:09 AM
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ekserekseez
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McCain just looks weak and infirm by avoiding the debates. If he wants to work in the Oval Office, he'd better learn to multitask.
Why can't he take a few hours out of his Friday night to fly down to Mississippi for the debates? He can spare the time.
And no, "he has to prepare for the debates" is no excuse. The man's been running for 8 years now, and should be ready. These are presidential debates, not some midterm exam he needs to cram for.
Where is Ron Paul when we need him? I'm almost ready to bail on the McCain/Palin ticket.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 9:19:13 AM
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I do agree McCain is needed to convince Conservative Republicans to accept this deal;
Just wish he'd showed this leadership a few days earlier.
Then I might believe he was qualified to be President.
Really? That is all it would take, just do what he is doing now a few days earlier? What did Obama do a few days earlier about the issue to earn your undying faith in him?
Not undying faith, just respect for his alertness.
I"m not gong to change your mind, you're not going to change mine, so I think sleep is the better option than argument. 
However, before I go, here's your answer -
9/19/08
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Obama said he supports President Bush's decision to give the Treasury Department broad authority to deal with the financial crisis.
Republican candidate John McCain spoke in Wisconsin and said the U.S. central bank should stop bailing out failed financial institutions.....
Voice of America
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Obama went to great lengths in his speech to get as specific as possible. Since then Chicago has released an in-depth fact sheet outlining Obama's plan.
You can disagree with Obama's proposals--many folks will, whether out of partisanship or principle. But to say, like McCain, that he's offering nothing but "talk" is simply false.
In fact, it's been McCain's response--not Obama's--that's felt a little light on substance so far.
The closest McCain came to a specific proposal was his promise "reduce the debt and risk that any bank can take on" and "prevent the kind of wild speculation that can put our markets at risk"--laudable goals, but little more than platitudes without actual plans to put in place. Meanwhile, unlike Obama, McCain has not posted any additional information on his website; the senator's economic plan doesn't even mention market reform. "I don't think it's, at this moment, imperative to write down exactly what the plan has to be," Douglas Holtz Eakin, McCain's top economic adviser, said yesterday. "[It's just] some standards we just have to aim for and we just haven't met." In other words, McCain doesn't need any actual policy prescriptions.
Newsweek
Unless Obama actaully goes to Washington and tries to get a deal pushed through, all he has done is talk. There is no action in giving stump speechs or outlining a plan. If he believes in his plan and wants to do his job to help fix it, Go to Washington!
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 9:25:22 AM
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DougHorton
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I find it odd that McCain would cancel a debate thinking that the bailout won't get solved without his undivided attention. He's one man. And I think a potential president should be able to handle "waiting" for a bill to sign and holding a 90 minute debate. Obama has refused to suspend the debate and I applaud him. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Presidents multi-task all the time. And McCain guarantees and consensus by Monday? Good luck. If congress could move that fast, what has been taking them so long on every other issue? This will take at least a week. Nothing a 90 minute debate can hinder.
It's not odd at all. One of these two men will have to follow up on enforcing these actions. They need to be on board and in agreement.
The election is not about debates. Both candidates refuse to address seriously the issues. It's time to see who is serious about doing something besides making promises. In the real world, the baton of authority is passed by the old manager training the replacement. In my opinion, both of these men should be spending more time doing their jobs in the Senate and in discussions with Bush. That is what would demonstrate to me they are fit for the job.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 9:44:26 AM
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McCain didn't pay attention to this crisis last year, two years ago, 4 years ago, 8 years ago or back when he was indicted with the Keating Five - BUT, this week it happens to be URGENT to him!? LOL. He's ridiculous - talk about POOR leadership.
Now his running scared, after all his huffing about town hall meetings, etc. LOL. He looks silly out there - silly!!
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 10:14:34 AM
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ORIGINAL: ekserekseez
McCain just looks weak and infirm by avoiding the debates. If he wants to work in the Oval Office, he'd better learn to multitask.
Obama's not multitasking - he's been the singleminded man I think I've ever seen. From the minute he got to the Senate he's not let the silly issues of Congress get in his way on his quest for more power; why should he let it interfere now?
Avoiding debates? If McCain had his way, they'd have had a dozen town hall meetings by now. It does not do him any good to sidestep a debate - especially not one on foreign affairs.
Mutitasking - give me a break. McCain's choosing not to play Obama's silly games when there are more important thiings going on. And he's choosing not to let the likes of Reid, Pelosi, and Dodd sit in DC and determine what the next four years and beyond look like, years that he may be sitting in the Oval Office.
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McCain didn't pay attention to this crisis last year, two years ago, 4 years ago, 8 years ago or back when he was indicted with the Keating Five - BUT, this week it happens to be URGENT to him!? LOL. He's ridiculous - talk about POOR leadership.
Now his running scared, after all his huffing about town hall meetings, etc. LOL. He looks silly out there - silly!!
McCain in 2006 (BTW, you get three guesses who killed this bill and the first two don't count)...
I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.
I urge my colleagues to support swift action on this GSE reform legislation.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 10:17:11 AM
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TaoPoohBear
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Unless Obama actaully goes to Washington and tries to get a deal pushed through, all he has done is talk. There is no action in giving stump speechs or outlining a plan. If he believes in his plan and wants to do his job to help fix it, Go to Washington!
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Last we checked, the President of the United States was still George W. Bush, the Secretary of the Treasury was still Henry Paulson, the Chairman of the Federal Reserve was still Ben Bernanke, and Congress still had 533 members not running for President who are at least nominally competent to debate and pass legislation.
The Candidates Vote 'Present'
When a conservative paper like The Wall Street Journal suggests it's more of a political ploy to start butting in and suggesting plans, it's probably a good thing that at least Obama is listening;
Instead of thoughtlessly speaking -
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Nor does it stanch a panic when Mr. McCain issues a statement warning that "I do not believe that the plan on the table will pass as it currently stands, and we are running out of time," or comparing the current situation to September 11. No plan passes without going through Congressional hazing, if not modification, and predicting doom does nothing to reassure Americans that our political system is able to manage amid turmoil.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 10:31:24 AM
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phreddy
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TaoPoohBear,
I am having a hard time following you logic.
You post an article from Newsweek that complains about McCain not doing enough and lauding Obama for doing more than talking (even though all he did was talk about the problem), Then you complain about McCain actually doing something besides talking about the problem. All I can deduce is, that in your eyes, no matter what McCain does it will be wrong and no matter what Obama does it will be right.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 10:59:23 AM
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Mccain's Party is the reason for this mess.
He also wasnt watching the cookie jar. He's been there 28 years.
Seems kinda of political, last week the economy was strong, now it's such a crisis that Bo gots to stop what he is doing to jump on the Republican bandwagon?
And of course the last few weeks, we gotta drill, we need oil, we gotta do this bill for Iraq, they won't have bullets, now we gotta spend 700 billion!
In it's present form it is not passable!
I'm not willing to have a former CEO of Goldman's that has recieved millions of dollars in bonuses tell me I can't question him about the money.
Please.
That is unamerican.
If I we're Mccain I would'nt want to debate now, what's he gonna say, give us another chance and some more trillions?
Remember James Carville famous saying..
It's the economy , stupid.
Bo is gonna landslide after the economy landslides. 
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 11:12:32 AM
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McCain will be criticized by the media, by Obama backers, by the left, no matter what he does. That goes for Palin too.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 11:24:55 AM
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phreddy
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Mccain's Party is the reason for this mess.
He also wasnt watching the cookie jar. He's been there 28 years.
Seems kinda of political, last week the economy was strong, now it's such a crisis that Bo gots to stop what he is doing to jump on the Republican bandwagon?
And of course the last few weeks, we gotta drill, we need oil, we gotta do this bill for Iraq, they won't have bullets, now we gotta spend 700 billion!
In it's present form it is not passable!
I'm not willing to have a former CEO of Goldman's that has recieved millions of dollars in bonuses tell me I can't question him about the money.
Please.
That is unamerican.
If I we're Mccain I would'nt want to debate now, what's he gonna say, give us another chance and some more trillions?
Remember James Carville famous saying..
It's the economy , stupid.
Bo is gonna landslide after the economy landslides.
traceydolls, you are ignoring that McCain co-sponsered a bill in 2006 on this exact issue. How is that "not watching the cookie jar"?
You don't like President Bush's plan, but you don't want all of congress in Washington hashing out an alternative?
Also, the debate was on foreign policy, not economics.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 11:37:39 AM
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Mccain's Party is the reason for this mess.
I don't agree, BUT perception agrees. At the end of the day the Americans as a whole will blame this whole fiasco on the republicans. Obama knows this. At this point he doesn't have to bow to any of McCains demands or wishes.
I think one of the main reasons McCain feels like he needs to be in Washington is that he really needs to distance himself from Bush and the only way to do that is to oppose him.
The general public is not gonna do the research and find historical data and make an analytical fact based decision, it's not gonna happen. They are gonna vote based on what they see in front of them. McCain knows that, Obama knows that.
The million dollar question is, can McCain distance himself enough from the republicans and current administration and win the election. I think I will let each decide.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 12:14:36 PM
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ekserekseez
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tracydolls:
once again you amaze me! you are always right on!
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 12:17:35 PM
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GregandJenny
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How does a Republican that been there for 28 years distance themselves?
How does any Republican do it.
That's a good question. It's not easy but i think he will/is trying.
I am not gonna say it's gonna work.
I wish we could get the money out of politics. It would be a whole new ball game.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 1:13:40 PM
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So you think Obama should call in his opinion?
According to Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd (Chairman of the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs), they've been speaking daily.
And Obama has stated his opinion about the bailout legislation yesterday -
Obama Weighs In
McCain's been AWOL.
Glad to know that Obama's got one of the gatekeepers on this fiasco updating him daily. Sounds like he's got all the information he needs.
Actually, McCain HASN'T been AWOL - He's been talking with the REAL "gatekeepers on this fiasco" -
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Republican presidential candidate John McCain met Wednesday with a panel of business executives to seek their opinions on the Bush administration's proposed $700 million bailout of U.S. financial markets.
Flanking McCain were former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, his one-time rival for the GOP presidential nomination, and former eBay CEO Meg Whitman. Others in the meeting were John Chambers, CEO of Cisco Systems, and John Thain, the CEO of Merrill Lynch before it was acquired by Bank of America earlier this month for a much-reduced value.
(Thain was the best-paid corporate executive in the U.S. in 2007, receiving approximately $83.1 million in salary and bonuses)
McCain talks bailout deal with CEOs
I find it strange that you can call the current Chairman of the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs a "gatekeeper on this fiasco" in one post while saying that McCain needs to be in the Senate in person to fix this fiasco in another post.
Senator McCain served as Chairman of the Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee from 1997 to 2001 and 2003 to 2005. He is currently the Ranking Member.
In less you feel that Commerce & Finance have nothing to do with one another?!
McCain was too b usy inventing the Blackberry!
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 1:14:50 PM
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I'm sorry. But, the more I hear from Obama supporters the more I realize that he can do absolutely NO wrong for them. They seem not to have a single bit of critical thinking on anything he does.
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I find it odd that McCain would cancel a debate thinking that the bailout won't get solved without his undivided attention. He's one man. And I think a potential president should be able to handle "waiting" for a bill to sign and holding a 90 minute debate. Obama has refused to suspend the debate and I applaud him. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Presidents multi-task all the time. And McCain guarantees and consensus by Monday? Good luck. If congress could move that fast, what has been taking them so long on every other issue? This will take at least a week. Nothing a 90 minute debate can hinder.
I can say the same for McCain supporters as well.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 1:29:53 PM
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I find it odd that all of a sudden, everyone feels McCain is the answer and can come to the rescue to put order to the situation when he himself admitted not having a strong grasp on the economy after proof of his many gaffes on the current crises. That leads one to believe it is a political ploy. I can understand if in the past, many industry leaders and politicians understood McCain as an economical guru in the past. Then his acumen would be necessary and even highly sought after. But no, all McCain is going to do is make statements, and solicit votes from his party to help get the bill passed. He's not going to sit in on negotiations and pour over the grit of the bill. He's been out of the loop too long. So, for those of you who think McCain is somehow doing something noble are misled. Admit it, it's a good political move. But I know some of you want to paint it as heroic and patriotic. Puhlease.I'll ask you this. Where was McCain last week? Nothing has changed. The crises was in full swing last week. And NOW he wants to suspend his campaign for what, two days? Give me a break. That's why people feel the debate should go on. There's not much left to do for McCain and Obama on this crises BUT speak and vote. There are people more qualified and close to the situation that are doing just fine without the two candidates involvement.
And no, Obama doesn't have to follow McCain's lead. It is his choice to do as he pleases. That too, shows the mark of a good leader. Not being led by others. And I hear a tinge of blame towards Obama as more reason why he should suspend his campaign and work on a resolution. Obama is no more to blame than you think McCain is. They BOTH were in Fannie and Freddie's pockets. I don't think Obama supports disagree with that.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 1:30:24 PM
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Why is it odd for 3 sitting senators going back to work?
Didn't Obama miss half the votes taken during his time in the Senate anyway. I guess he sees no reason to go back to DC. He's hanging out here in Tampa prepping for the debate and our weather must be downright glorious for a guy from Chicago.
BINGO! I said the same thing earlier today here at work. He will just vote "Present" again so it's no big deal to him.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 1:37:27 PM
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OK - they have a deal worked out and it looks like both sides like it.
Now we may get a chance to see what this whole thing was about-leadership or something else -there's a deal and 1 full day prior to the debate. I wonder if Mr. McCain will now hasten to return to his previous schedule (and the VP's to their previous schedules as well since those too were in talks to "postpone").
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 1:39:48 PM
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^^^ It's still has to go tot he floor and will be debated. There is probably still some debate to be had. There are still some representatives that representatives that represent their constituency.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 1:47:38 PM
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^^^ It's still has to go tot he floor and will be debated. There is probably still some debate to be had. There are still some representatives that representatives that represent their constituency.
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I would agree, but that gets into the finer points of the bill-not the decision itself. The DECISION is made-now I wonder what might be the sense of urgency on the part of Mr. McCain? If both houses agree that this is the course of action to take, then the "hard part" is over-it's now all about cleaning up the details-something that can be attended to in a number of ways. The markets needed the news that there was a deal, they will continue their upward swing as a result of it, in short, for the moment the "crisis" is averted-it's now back to containment mode-nowhere near as "critical" as it appeared yesterday.
NOW it would appear (to me anyway) that the better part of leadership would be to delegate the "details" to others and return to showing the American people why it's time to elect him as their leader-I wonder if Mr. McCain will see it that way?
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 1:50:41 PM
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If both houses agree that this is the course of action to take, then the "hard part" is over-it's now all about cleaning up the details-something that can be attended to in a number of ways.
It hasn't been voted on yet. There is still work to be done. discussion to be had.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 1:54:32 PM
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Why is it odd for 3 sitting senators going back to work?
Didn't Obama miss half the votes taken during his time in the Senate anyway. I guess he sees no reason to go back to DC. He's hanging out here in Tampa prepping for the debate and our weather must be downright glorious for a guy from Chicago.
BINGO! I said the same thing earlier today here at work. He will just vote "Present" again so it's no big deal to him.
You might want to ease up on your sanctimony re: voting records and attendance - Mr. McCain is not exactly what you would call the picture of Senate attendance. In this congress, he far outpaces the next highest contender for missed votes - and that senator was recovering from brain surgery I believe:
Here are the FACTS (as in verifiable information from a third party, not electioneering talking points).
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/senate/vote-missers/
As you can see, so far in this Congress Mr. McCain is top of the list with missed votes. Mr. Obama is not very far behind, but long and short, voting record is not really a "position of strength" for the Republican offensive at this time.
As to career attendance, we can look at the 109th congress and see that again, Mr. McCain tops Mr. Obama in missed votes
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/109/senate/vote-missers/
And the 108th:
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/108/senate/vote-missers/
As we can see, Mr. Obama has not made this list (top votes missed) until this year when he began his campaign for president. - Editing this - it is incorrect - I'll leave it here to correct it - Mr. Obama did make the list in other years, just at a lower level than Mr. McCain did
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 1:57:21 PM
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According to Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd (Chairman of the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs), they've been speaking daily.
Hope he asks Dodd how he could stand there and watch the entire mortgage industry go up in flames under his not-very-watchful eye.
Dodd=FAIL
Dodd = $13 million in banking lobbyists donations.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 2:05:46 PM
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If both houses agree that this is the course of action to take, then the "hard part" is over-it's now all about cleaning up the details-something that can be attended to in a number of ways.
It hasn't been voted on yet. There is still work to be done. discussion to be had.
.......And presidential debates to be attended. 
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