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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 2:09:06 PM
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GregandJenny
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Ha ha I would agree. It should be attended.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 3:10:36 PM
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ekserekseez
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It's just like when they canceled the debates for the Great Depression, and World War 2, and Vietnam....oh, wait, they DIDN'T cancel the debates then.
Maybe McCain thought this would make him look good. Maybe he genuinely believed that he was doing some good. Nevertheless, it's making him look like a scared slacker.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 3:18:17 PM
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stamper_ben
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Maybe McCain thought this would make him look good. Maybe he genuinely believed that he was doing some good. Nevertheless, it's making him look like a scared slacker.
No doubt just as with the Iraq surge, he put what he sees as the needs of the country before his political own wants.
Kudos to him for that!
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 3:20:02 PM
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Psalms274
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It's just like when they canceled the debates for the Great Depression, and World War 2, and Vietnam....oh, wait, they DIDN'T cancel the debates then.
May I suggest you do a little brushing up on your history before making such a silly comment. There were NO presidential debates scheduled during those time periods. You can start here to check out the history of Presidential debates.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 3:20:20 PM
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jadab
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Why is it odd for 3 sitting senators going back to work?
Didn't Obama miss half the votes taken during his time in the Senate anyway. I guess he sees no reason to go back to DC. He's hanging out here in Tampa prepping for the debate and our weather must be downright glorious for a guy from Chicago.
BINGO! I said the same thing earlier today here at work. He will just vote "Present" again so it's no big deal to him.
For this Congressional session, McCain has missed the most votes: 64% (412 votes)
Obama is 3rd: He's missed 45.9% (295 votes)
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/senate/vote-missers/
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 3:21:53 PM
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.......And presidential debates to be attended. 
Personally, I would much rather see them debate the issues on the floor where it counts. Debates run by the media are pretty useless in terms of getting anything done ... and we are paying them as Senators to do a specific job. I much rather see them "on the job" as opposed to on the road when we have a crisis at hand.
Presidents do multitask ... but when they are on the road and a crisis hits, most (that I have seen) alter their plans and go back to Washington.
Debates on the floor gets nothing done in this case. Negotiations are where the real work is done. While we are paying them to do their job, it is also part of the democratic process to have presidential debates. Those are important as well. McCain and Obama won't stop the entire legislative process by holding a 90 minute debate on Friday. They don't hold that much economic policy weight. In that regard, they are doing their jobs as nominated candidates to run for their party. There are other senators and representatives who actually have more to offer in negotiations as they are more astute than McCain and Obama on economic affairs. This has been proven as Obama and McCain have been in Washington no longer than this morning while a deal has already been worked out. So, suspending the campaign didn't really matter anyway. And besides, like I said earlier, this crises started two weeks ago. Not ONE republican considered suspending the campaign. Nothing has changed. Wall Street is in as bad a state as it was when AIG was bailed out. Only until yesterday, when the meat of the proposal was already hashed out did McCain suggest suspension. All the hard work had already been done. Then when he gets to Washington, he's going to the White House to meet with the president, dragging the people who are actually working on the proposal with him interrupting THEIR work.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 3:30:09 PM
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csl7037
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.......And presidential debates to be attended.
Personally, I would much rather see them debate the issues on the floor where it counts. Debates run by the media are pretty useless in terms of getting anything done ... and we are paying them as Senators to do a specific job. I much rather see them "on the job" as opposed to on the road when we have a crisis at hand.
Presidents do multitask ... but when they are on the road and a crisis hits, most (that I have seen) alter their plans and go back to Washington.
Debates on the floor gets nothing done in this case. Negotiations are where the real work is done. While we are paying them to do their job, it is also part of the democratic process to have presidential debates. Those are important as well. McCain and Obama won't stop the entire legislative process by holding a 90 minute debate on Friday. They don't hold that much economic policy weight. In that regard, they are doing their jobs as nominated candidates to run for their party. There are other senators and representatives who actually have more to offer in negotiations as they are more astute than McCain and Obama on economic affairs. This has been proven as Obama and McCain have been in Washington no longer than this morning while a deal has already been worked out. So, suspending the campaign didn't really matter anyway. And besides, like I said earlier, this crises started two weeks ago. Not ONE republican considered suspending the campaign. Nothing has changed. Wall Street is in as bad a state as it was when AIG was bailed out. Only until yesterday, when the meat of the proposal was already hashed out did McCain suggest suspension. All the hard work had already been done. Then when he gets to Washington, he's going to the White House to meet with the president, dragging the people who are actually working on the proposal with him interrupting THEIR work.
You really think things have all been worked out? You bought that sham press conference. What a joke. They agree "in principal"? Please. They've not done anything - and, frankly, I don't expect them to do anything more than throw money at this problem. Nothing will be fixed, I'm starting to realize.
And (in response to post 92 as well), it doesn't take an economic genius to figure this mess out. McCain may not have focused his entire Senate career on economic policy but look at the guys that have - what do you really think they're going to accomplish now? What's changed since yesterday? They let this drag on to the point of crisis and fix it in an afternoon?!?! If this was so simple that they could basically solve it over lunch (which I don't buy for a second), what have they been doing till now? It's a ploy. McCain is the only one I'm still hoping might, maybe, possibly, if we're lucky stand up and really take this on and try to really fix something. We'll see.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 3:30:57 PM
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Psalms274
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Negotiations are where the real work is done.
Yes .. that is true ... and both McCain and Obama are now seen as the leaders of their respected parties. Both have claims to go across party lines to get the job done. Here is an opportunity to allow their actions to back up their words. Presidential debates are not as useful as many here seem to think. They are not a true reflection of the candidate ... (or that candidates views at times).
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There are other senators and representatives who actually have more to offer in negotiations as they are more astute than McCain and Obama on economic affairs.
There may be more Senators that are more knowledgeable, but as I stated before, these two are now looked at as the party leaders ... which is a powerful tool when it comes to congressional alliances. I grew up in Washington as the daughter of the White House Corespondent for Gannett News Service (who owns USA Today). Dad had Senators at the house and calling the house OFTEN ... I grew up with an insiders view of how the game is played ... THESE TWO have an enormous amount of power to get things done right now.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 3:31:41 PM
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Restored_Heart
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Just out of curiosity.... do they have a breakdown of votes.... Yes, No, Present?
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 3:34:25 PM
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csl7037
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Just out of curiosity.... do they have a breakdown of votes.... Yes, No, Present?
They don't even have a plan. They have "an agreement on the principals"
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 3:38:33 PM
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Restored_Heart
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No, I more meant voting history....
I would like to see more info about what the fix will do and how myself....
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 3:40:58 PM
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jadab
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Just out of curiosity.... do they have a breakdown of votes.... Yes, No, Present?
They don't even have a plan. They have "an agreement on the principals"
You realize that you didn't answer the question?
Restored_Heart, browse the site. They probably do have individual votes, you might just have to do some digging.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 3:45:43 PM
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GregandJenny
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They probably do have individual votes, you might just have to do some digging.
There has been no vote on the bailout people. It has been in "committee". it has not been to the floor for votes and that's why this thing is NOT over.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 3:46:10 PM
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adelphi_sky
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Negotiations are where the real work is done.
Yes .. that is true ... and both McCain and Obama are now seen as the leaders of their respected parties. Both have claims to go across party lines to get the job done. Here is an opportunity to allow their actions to back up their words. Presidential debates are not as useful as many here seem to think. They are not a true reflection of the candidate ... (or that candidates views at times).
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There are other senators and representatives who actually have more to offer in negotiations as they are more astute than McCain and Obama on economic affairs.
There may be more Senators that are more knowledgeable, but as I stated before, these two are now looked at as the party leaders ... which is a powerful tool when it comes to congressional alliances. I grew up in Washington as the daughter of the White House Corespondent for Gannett News Service (who owns USA Today). Dad had Senators at the house and calling the house OFTEN ... I grew up with an insiders view of how the game is played ... THESE TWO have an enormous amount of power to get things done right now.
Why can't they use the phone? McCain invented the Blackberry for what?!?!  Also, I'm not suer they have to physically be there to lead when both their parties understand their positions. They've been holding news conferences all over the place on the subject. Should they be there to vote, sure. But as far as rolling up their sleeves and doing gruntwork, that opportunity has already passed. Their being there NOW would only be for photo-ops and politicizing the whole thing. Had McCain or Obama had this idea two weeks ago, it would've made more sense. Kudos for McCain for coming up with the idea, but the timing is suspect and very late. A leader doesn't have to physically be in his office everyday to lead. I'm not against them going to Washington to help. I think that's great. But to suspend the democratic process of choosing a president is a bit strange and unnecessary when most of the work has been done already. That's why people think it was a political move and nothing else.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 3:46:55 PM
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Restored_Heart
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Just out of curiosity.... do they have a breakdown of votes.... Yes, No, Present?
They don't even have a plan. They have "an agreement on the principals"
You realize that you didn't answer the question?
Restored_Heart, browse the site. They probably do have individual votes, you might just have to do some digging.
Thanks.... when I get a chance... I will try...
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 3:56:59 PM
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TaoPoohBear,
I am having a hard time following you logic.
You post an article from Newsweek that complains about McCain not doing enough and lauding Obama for doing more than talking (even though all he did was talk about the problem), Then you complain about McCain actually doing something besides talking about the problem. All I can deduce is, that in your eyes, no matter what McCain does it will be wrong and no matter what Obama does it will be right.
Obama has talking about this being a problem for awhile, and put forth detailed plans.
McCain has been saying there wasn't a problem, then changed his mind and dropped everything to rush to Washington.
McCain's not on any of the committees, his contribution will be to sway conservative Republicans.
Obama stays in touch by phone with leading Democrats (that are on the committees) and tells them - "If you need me, I'll be there".
McCain rushes into the mix in person, sort of a bull in a china shop.
Also, this isn't the first time McCain's ducked a debate -
McCain Backs Out of Debate In California
Obama put forth ideas, you want to call that talk? Fine.
McCain doesn't want to debate, period. He doesn't want to talk.
(watch McCain vote NO on this bailout, just to prolong this)
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 4:02:52 PM
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buckifn
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Maybe what we should take away from the Bush Administration is that it doesn't matter all that much if our leaders are humbling themselves and praying - the Bible tells US to do that.
I don't have a Bible that excludes leaders from prayer. But I do believe seeking God includes our actions and not just our words. Bush used 9/11 to exploit his own political purpose...we know that....but I still would feel a lot better voting for a man who leads us in seeking God than in one who leads us in killing unborn babies.
I understand it's easy to become cynical. I don't think there are many Christian's anywhere who feel really good about either choice in the voting booth come Nov.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 4:03:21 PM
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Psalms274
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Also, I'm not suer they have to physically be there to lead when both their parties understand their positions.
When communication we lose 66 % of the message when that message is over the phone ... 93% is lost when using just the written word ... the best way to negotiate anything is face to face where there is 100 % of the message is retained.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 4:05:03 PM
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stamper_ben
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(watch McCain vote NO on this bailout, just to prolong this) ...or because it is WRONG.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 4:08:11 PM
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Psalms274
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Just out of curiosity.... do they have a breakdown of votes.... Yes, No, Present?
You can find a record of McCain's voting record here and Obama's here.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 4:12:13 PM
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Yeah, McCain's good on ducking out on a lot of things. Oh well, the behavior of the average RINO is probably too set its way to change at this late stage!
Ron Paul and Bob Barr don't miss debates!
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 4:26:01 PM
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TaoPoohBear
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(watch McCain vote NO on this bailout, just to prolong this) ...or because it is WRONG.
John McCain on Tuesday, Sept. 23rd in Cleveland Ohio says he hasn't read the Paulson plan.
NBC Cleveland OH, 09/23/08:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnsNOEgp-_o
But he paid attention on Wednesday -
McCain talks bailout deal with Romney, CEOs
To the CEOs hip deep in this.
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Flanking McCain were former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, his one-time rival for the GOP presidential nomination, and former eBay CEO Meg Whitman. Others in the meeting were John Chambers, CEO of Cisco Systems, and John Thain, the CEO of Merrill Lynch before it was acquired by Bank of America earlier this month for a much-reduced value.
Thain was the best-paid corporate executive in the U.S. in 2007, receiving approximately $83.1 million in salary and bonuses that year.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 4:28:51 PM
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adelphi_sky
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Also, I'm not suer they have to physically be there to lead when both their parties understand their positions.
When communication we lose 66 % of the message when that message is over the phone ... 93% is lost when using just the written word ... the best way to negotiate anything is face to face where there is 100 % of the message is retained.
That's not always possible. I've seen the President negotiate many times over the phone with heads of state. Sometimes being face-to-face is not always permissible or even necessary for negotiations to take place. In a perfect world, it would be nice to be able to teleport ourselves wherever we wanted to be in seconds. :-)
This may not be a good example, but I can negotiate the dinner menu with my wife over the phone without having to be at home to do it. I can vote via proxy as a stockholder, and I can work with co-workers through phone conferences. As a matter of fact, my team is spread throughout the country, therefore all we can do is hold weekly phone conferences. Yet, the work still gets done.
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Look who is calling the kettle black ... you seem to duck issues here when it is revealed you did not have the correct info before voicing an opinion on a matter ... see post 105 for just one example ... it's a response to your last comment that you have seemed to have missed. Maybe you don't look at anyone making comments to your posts. 