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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 4:50:58 PM
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Restored_Heart
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Well looking at the voting histories...
Obama has significantly more NV votes than McCain - even though he has a much shorter service time....
NV means voting present, but no stance, correct?
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 5:06:58 PM
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phreddy
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Sometimes being face-to-face is not always permissible or even necessary for negotiations to take place.
But it is possible to do in this situation and I would argue, necessary as well ... it is not the end of the world if the debate is postponed ... and this is a very, VERY important issue that the Congress must deal with now. Another good quality of leadership is knowing how to prioritize. 
I would not call panic a priority -
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What McCain didn't understand was that the legislative crisis was already receding when he made his melodramatic--and somewhat wild-eyed--suspension of campaign activities statement. (He didn't understand this because he has had no input into the process and, indeed, is neither respected for his financial expertise nor desired in the process because of his combative, peremptory negotiating style.) What Actually Happened Yesterday
And I would not call what McCain is doing panicing.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 5:11:16 PM
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jadab
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ORIGINAL: Restored_Heart
Well looking at the voting histories...
Obama has significantly more NV votes than McCain - even though he has a much shorter service time....
NV means voting present, but no stance, correct?
Obama has significantly more NV votes? Did you count them? NV means literally no vote - either due to excused absence or voting present. Here are the stats for Obama's complete time in US Senate vs. the same period for McCain:
The Data: (Updated for accuracy thanks to B. Ginsberg)
Obama (2005-2008)
* Not Voting = 228 (40%)
* Yay = 253 (45%)
* Nay = 87 (15%)
McCain (2005-2008)
* Not Voting = 300 (53%)
* Yay = 136 (24%)
* Nay = 132 (23%)
McCain (1995-2008)
* Not Voting = 335 (35%)
* Yay = 380 (40%)
* Nay = 234 (25%)
The source used the info from project votesmart and you can even download the excel data if you want to.
http://www.babeled.com/2008/08/31/an-honest-comparison-of-obama-mccains-senate-voting-records/
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 5:21:24 PM
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phreddy
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TaoPoohBear,
I am having a hard time following you logic.
You post an article from Newsweek that complains about McCain not doing enough and lauding Obama for doing more than talking (even though all he did was talk about the problem), Then you complain about McCain actually doing something besides talking about the problem. All I can deduce is, that in your eyes, no matter what McCain does it will be wrong and no matter what Obama does it will be right.
Obama has talking about this being a problem for awhile, and put forth detailed plans.
McCain has been saying there wasn't a problem, then changed his mind and dropped everything to rush to Washington.
McCain's not on any of the committees, his contribution will be to sway conservative Republicans.
Obama stays in touch by phone with leading Democrats (that are on the committees) and tells them - "If you need me, I'll be there".
McCain rushes into the mix in person, sort of a bull in a china shop.
Also, this isn't the first time McCain's ducked a debate -
McCain Backs Out of Debate In California
Obama put forth ideas, you want to call that talk? Fine.
McCain doesn't want to debate, period. He doesn't want to talk.
(watch McCain vote NO on this bailout, just to prolong this)
Since, you seem to have missed this point when it was posted earlier, McCain co-sponsered a bill onthis very issue two years ago, before most of the senate even agreed there was a problem. What was Obama doing about this issue before two weeks ago? What has Obama done since? He has made speeches and talked about his plan. Where is the legislation? Where is the deal making? There is none because he is too busy campaigning. McCain is not panicing, but he is going back to Washington to deal with an issue that he has been trying to get the Senate to address for two years. That is action.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 5:30:07 PM
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jadab
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McCain Magic: Tucker Bounds says McCain is to credit for the progress:
"Before John McCain suspended his campaign yesterday, the situation that we're looking at today looked very different then. After he showed leadership and called for bipartisanship, for us to partisanship aside and tackle this solution head on, here we are. And we're going into a debate, I think we're going there strong." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vks7PmbCWF4
...and you all call Obama messianic. All McCain had to do was say he was coming and voila! Problem solved.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 5:57:35 PM
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And again, McCain's behavior in ducking the debates, and that of is loyal Fox and apostles in the e-media, prove that he's a RINO.
Ron Paul is looking better and better! He does NOT chicken out on debates. Reagan wouldn't have, either. But NOBODY will ever compare McCain and Reagan.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 8:00:05 PM
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Obama isn't going to Washington because they don't really need him there - they do however need John McCain.
Please, Jack. I'm having enough trouble holding down my dinner as it is. 
a) McCain has few allies in the GOP congressional caucus. Nobody in Congress needs him.
b) But for the record, apparently McCain's concern for the bailout process was so grave that he spent all of yesterday in Manhattan doing interviews - one with Katie Couric when minutes beforehand McCain had called David Letterman to tell him he could not make his scheduled appearance on his show because he was racing to the airport for a flight to Washington.
Just to clarify, Jack: that was a lie.
Then after the Couric interview, McCain went onto a couple of campaign stops, spent the night in New York, attended a function at the Clinton Global Initiative this morning, then only this afternoon got on a plane to DC.
c) Also, for the record, Obama was in DC this morning; he beat McCain into town.
d) McCain is not on the committee which is hammering out the conditions of the bailout. The only real role both he and Obama have in this matter is to vote on it one way or the other.
I assure you, the Congress is perfectly capable of working without either man on this matter.
< Message edited by todd_t -- 9/25/2008 9:20:16 PM >
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 11:04:14 PM
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huangshan
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(watch McCain vote NO on this bailout, just to prolong this) ...or because it is WRONG.
John McCain on Tuesday, Sept. 23rd in Cleveland Ohio says he hasn't read the Paulson plan.
NBC Cleveland OH, 09/23/08:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnsNOEgp-_o
McCain is amazingly lazy. It's three pages long. You'd think with all this campaign-being-canceled nonsense, he'd have a chance to roll up his sleeves and do actual work, like reading the three pages of the plan he's supposed to be humming and hawing over.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/25/2008 11:14:49 PM
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huangshan
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Hah, I haven't seen The Daily Show in a while, but according to a friend:
And the Daily Show once again shows up all other media outlets.
McCain Monday: "I've read the plan."
McCain Tuesday: "I have not yet read it."
Apparently McCain was for reading the plan before he was against it.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/26/2008 12:44:02 AM
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Jhud
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Please, Jack. I'm having enough trouble holding down my dinner as it is.
a) McCain has few allies in the GOP congressional caucus. Nobody in Congress needs him.
b) But for the record, apparently McCain's concern for the bailout process was so grave that he spent all of yesterday in Manhattan doing interviews - one with Katie Couric when minutes beforehand McCain had called David Letterman to tell him he could not make his scheduled appearance on his show because he was racing to the airport for a flight to Washington.
Just to clarify, Jack: that was a lie.
So you think because McCain didn't josh around with Letterman and communicated his intentions through news outlets he was 'lying'? Seriously todd, you are smarter than that.
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Then after the Couric interview, McCain went onto a couple of campaign stops, spent the night in New York, attended a function at the Clinton Global Initiative this morning, then only this afternoon got on a plane to DC.
Actually, he said he would make that already planned event before he went to Washington; and at the event he again communicated his intentions.
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c) Also, for the record, Obama was in DC this morning; he beat McCain into town.
After the President called him in, and he was afraid of being seen as uninvolved. But he is still irrelevant.
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d) McCain is not on the committee which is hammering out the conditions of the bailout. The only real role both he and Obama have in this matter is to vote on it one way or the other.
There isn't going to be a bailout now todd, there will be something completely different, something that makes sense. And Obama had nothing to do with it.
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I assure you, the Congress is perfectly capable of working without either man on this matter.
Actually, congress failed completely to come together by itself.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/26/2008 1:39:41 AM
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TaoPoohBear
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There isn't going to be a bailout now todd, there will be something completely different, something that makes sense. And Obama had nothing to do with it.
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I assure you, the Congress is perfectly capable of working without either man on this matter.
Actually, congress failed completely to come together by itself.
Too true about Obama having nothing to do with it -
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Mr. McCain is certainly seeing the risks of making such a direct intervention. He now finds himself in the middle of an ideological war that pits conservative Republicans, loath to spending so much taxpayer money on Wall Street, against the Bush White House, which, with the support of Democrats and a sizable number of Republicans, sees a bailout package as essential to averting a potential economic disaster.
McCain Leaps Into a Thicket
GOP conservatives present rescue alternative
Hope they have the time to play these games..........
(We'll find out in less than 12 hours)
If Conservatives in the House that have not really participated in these discussions (they sprung their idea at the President's meeting) are right, nothing will happen earthshaking tomorrow.
If they're wrong -
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"Whatever you think about whether or not there was a need [for a bailout]...once the president, secretary of the Treasury and chairman of the Federal Reserve have announced that if you don't do this, there will be a collapse, there's probably going to be a collapse if you don't do it."
-- Rep. Barney Frank, Los Angeles Times, A1, September 25, 2008.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/26/2008 1:52:08 AM
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Jhud
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"Whatever you think about whether or not there was a need [for a bailout]...once the president, secretary of the Treasury and chairman of the Federal Reserve have announced that if you don't do this, there will be a collapse, there's probably going to be a collapse if you don't do it."
-- Rep. Barney Frank, Los Angeles Times, A1, September 25, 2008.
That has been Frank's position all along; give us your money, or we will crash the plane...
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/26/2008 2:18:47 AM
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TaoPoohBear
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"Whatever you think about whether or not there was a need [for a bailout]...once the president, secretary of the Treasury and chairman of the Federal Reserve have announced that if you don't do this, there will be a collapse, there's probably going to be a collapse if you don't do it."
-- Rep. Barney Frank, Los Angeles Times, A1, September 25, 2008.
That has been Frank's position all along; give us your money, or we will crash the plane...
Uh....this bailout was President Bush's plan, not Frank's.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/26/2008 2:32:45 AM
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wing2000
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d) McCain is not on the committee which is hammering out the conditions of the bailout. The only real role both he and Obama have in this matter is to vote on it one way or the other.
There isn't going to be a bailout now todd, there will be something completely different, something that makes sense. And Obama had nothing to do with it.
And what would that be Jack (that makes sense)?
Did you see John McCain take any stand today?
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/26/2008 2:38:03 AM
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Two news stories that I just came across. The first documents that both President Bush and Senator McCain pushed for tighter regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to prevent this very crisis but were rebuffed by Democrats in Congress.
Who was against regulation?
If the Democrats wish to fault a lack of regulation in this mess, then the blame seems to fall squarely on them. If the American public could get past its knee-jerk reaction of blaming the party in the White House and look at the facts (and which of the candidates actually tried to stop this from happening), Senator Obama's newfound lead in the polls would likely vanish.
And the second is a piece from CBS News about just why Senator McCain went to Washington to help with the crisis. He was called there to help get Republicans on board with the plan. (Play the video embedded in the article.)
McCain called in to help
Kinda blows the accusations that it was a "stunt" out of the water.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/26/2008 4:42:17 AM
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McCain is just trying to duck the debates, just like he did in 2000. McCain is scared to death of economics. Go to YouTube and do a search on "McCain" and "economics." All those videos demonstrating his ignorance are comical until you realize that a bunch of low-information voters could actually get this old-tmer elected!
Senator Obama is poised to kick a field goal that will give him a double-digit lead, and McBush, er, McCain is calling timeout, hoping that if he can stall long enough, Obama won't have the chance to demonstrate once and for all who has the character, intelligence and vigor to be president and who does not. Obama is going to drink McCain's milkshake, whether McCain is there or just his empty chair. If McCain DOES show up, someone ought to hand him a stick of gum so that we can see if McCain really is able to do more than one thing at a time!
A reporter asked McCain on Thursday what he thought of Treasury Secretary Paulson's plan. McCain replied that he hadn't had time to read it. The document is ONLY 2 1/2 PAGES LONG!!! It's this kind of intellectual laziness during the Republican's watch that gave us 911, this stupid, stupid war in Iraq, and the current financial crisis.
Also interesting, the House Banking Committee chair commented that Obama had been keeping in touch with him all week, but McCain didn't contact him until yesterday. Then he comes racing into town as if he's going to save the day—and ends up screwing it all up.
It's time for Americans everywhere to say, "Thanks but no thanks" to McCain-Palin.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/26/2008 6:17:12 AM
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csl7037
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GOP conservatives present rescue alternative
Hope they have the time to play these games..........
(We'll find out in less than 12 hours)
If Conservatives in the House that have not really participated in these discussions (they sprung their idea at the President's meeting) are right, nothing will happen earthshaking tomorrow.
If they're wrong -
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"Whatever you think about whether or not there was a need [for a bailout]...once the president, secretary of the Treasury and chairman of the Federal Reserve have announced that if you don't do this, there will be a collapse, there's probably going to be a collapse if you don't do it."
-- Rep. Barney Frank, Los Angeles Times, A1, September 25, 2008.
I, for one, am waiting for someone to come up with "Plan B" and think the House Republicans might be our only chance for something that makes sense. We'll see.
But don't you really have to question yourself when you start quoting Barney Frank. I don't care who you are, that really should give a person pause.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/26/2008 8:53:25 AM
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Melodyes_Song
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McCain is just trying to duck the debates, just like he did in 2000. McCain is scared to death of economics.
How can you or anyone else fling around the words scared, coward, running away from debates about a man who spent years being tortured in a POW camp? It seems to me that words such as scared or frightened, being applied to McCain about a debate is off base.
Secondly the debate is foreign affairs not the economy although the media asking the questions in the debate will undoubtly ask questions regarding the economy. Foreign affairs is one of McCain's strong suits thus making it ludicrious to state he is scared to debate Obama.
Thirdly as has been stated repeatedly despite running for President and Vice President 3 of the candidates are sitting Senators who draw a salary, seeing as this is a Crisis I prefer my elected officials to do the job we the taxpayers pay them for, what is wrong with changing the debate until this is resolved? Would a day, 3 days, or a week make a difference in the grand scheme of things?
While I disagree with McCain on many issues most notably immigration, however there are several others, I do believe he made the correct choice to put the country's needs before his own ambitions, which is also a pattern for this man, he is known to do the right thing instead of the politically correct or expedient thing, see staying in the POW camp and the Iraq surge to name but two major ones.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/26/2008 9:06:14 AM
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What i find laughable is how BO supporters keep bashing Mccain for not being able to multitask when he acts on his convictions. Obviously they have never seen what goes into flying a plane, much less flying a plane while evading enemy fire and operating weapons systems, radars, and countermeasures. From the left's reactions it is readily apparent that mccain is still good at pushing buttons too.
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McCain WILL ATTEND DEBATE - 9/26/2008 11:44:10 AM
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The AP is reporting the McCain will attend the debate.
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