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RE: McCain WILL ATTEND DEBATE - 9/26/2008 11:49:26 AM
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ORIGINAL: GregandJenny The AP is reporting the McCain will attend the debate. What? I thought he was so desperately needed in Washington? Why isn't he sticking to his guns? The bill is in worse shape than it was before he got there. Shouldn't he be staying? What changed?
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/26/2008 11:52:27 AM
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ORIGINAL: _jjp_ What i find laughable is how BO supporters keep bashing Mccain for not being able to multitask when he acts on his convictions. Obviously they have never seen what goes into flying a plane, much less flying a plane while evading enemy fire and operating weapons systems, radars, and countermeasures. From the left's reactions it is readily apparent that mccain is still good at pushing buttons too. He's not flying planes now. That's irrelevant. Unless you feel he's still as sharp as he was over 40 years ago.
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RE: McCain WILL ATTEND DEBATE - 9/26/2008 11:53:17 AM
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It is being reported that Obama is at the gym this morning. Man! That guy sure can multitask.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/26/2008 11:54:47 AM
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What? I thought he was so desperately needed in Washington? Why isn't he sticking to his guns? The bill is in worse shape than it was before he got there. Shouldn't he be staying? What changed? That's good, it's a bill, and we are spending 700 BILLION dollars. I realize we are buying something worth something but that's not a little bit of money.
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RE: McCain WILL ATTEND DEBATE - 9/26/2008 12:04:48 PM
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ORIGINAL: stamper_ben It is being reported that Obama is at the gym this morning. Man! That guy sure can multitask. Well, I'd expect any president to stay in shape. Come on guys, it's not that serious. Do you want him to sit in his office so YOU have the PERCEPTION he's doing something? We all have lunch breaks and personal time even when we're busy. There are hundreds of lawmakers working on this bill. There's a threshold of too many hands being in the pot. I try to find time to keep myself in shape as well. Health is very important concerning the presidency. I recall the Bible story where Jesus was sleeping in the boat during the raging storm. His followers thought he was crazy (laying down on the job). Sometimes, we leave things up to God after we've done all we can do. It doesn't mean we're wasting time doing nothing. It means we're not panicking.
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RE: McCain WILL ATTEND DEBATE - 9/26/2008 12:08:12 PM
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There's a threshold of too many hands being in the pot. I'd like to see the hands that may have to manage the bailout for the next four years be in the pot. Deeply in it.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/26/2008 12:18:11 PM
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I'm amazed that nobody sees how delaying the debate would help McCain. First, while the topic is foreign affairs, they're planning to cover the economy as well due to the ongoing crisis. This was shared with the candidates late last week. Second, McCain suggested moving this debate to the night when Palin's supposed to debate Biden. Not to some night when nothing's going on - but to displace the VP debate with it. link Is it any coincidence that Palin isn't doing so well in her public appearances? Just look at all the headlines about her interview with Katie Couric, like on Google's list of related news stories: Katie Couric carves up Sarah Palin (Kansas City Star) Sarah Palin - still not ready for prime time (Christian Science Monitor) Sarah Palin flunks CBS interview (Telegraph, UK) Shameless and clueless Sarah Palin (Seattle Post Intelligencer) The Palin bubble keeps popping (Dallas Morning News) ...and so on. The obvious advantage for McCain is, Palin could either get more time to prepare for HER debate, or it would never get rescheduled and she'd be off the hook. Matt
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RE: McCain WILL ATTEND DEBATE - 9/26/2008 12:28:49 PM
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The sad thing is is that Obama doesn't have to do any work and McCain has to do a lot of work. whether or not we want to admit it or come to terms with it America is furious with the performance of the current administration. Unfortunately John McCain is connected to it. He has to do EVERYTHING in his power to distance himself from Bush. I know John is different than Bush, but most people look at the one cracked egg shell and go for another dozen. Obama can relax He is really not having to prove anything like McCain. G
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RE: McCain WILL ATTEND DEBATE - 9/26/2008 12:30:44 PM
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ORIGINAL: stamper_ben It is being reported that Obama is at the gym this morning. Man! That guy sure can multitask. Well, I'd expect any president to stay in shape. Come on guys, it's not that serious. Do you want him to sit in his office so YOU have the PERCEPTION he's doing something? We all have lunch breaks and personal time even when we're busy. There are hundreds of lawmakers working on this bill. There's a threshold of too many hands being in the pot. I try to find time to keep myself in shape as well. Health is very important concerning the presidency. I recall the Bible story where Jesus was sleeping in the boat during the raging storm. His followers thought he was crazy (laying down on the job). Sometimes, we leave things up to God after we've done all we can do. It doesn't mean we're wasting time doing nothing. It means we're not panicking. NOT THAT SERIOUS??? An economic analyst on Bloomberg Tv said that the real numbers for this "bailout" was 5 TRILLION dollars. 0bama wasn't worried about this "bailout" since his corrupt buddies loaded up the bill with billions of dollars of pork to his pet organization, ACORN. Oh my gosh!!! Oh my gosh!!! The sky is falling!! The sky is falling!!! Let's get the entire legislature, justice department, homeland security, executive branch, bank executives, the treasury, and the fed all in Washington right now running around like chickens with their heads cut off!!!!! Sure, that will accomplish something. While I agree that this is a serious issue, it takes prudence, good judgment (which includes staying out of things if you have nothing to offer), and calm heads. We all know people who but in where they are not gifted trying to act like they are in control only cause discord and stress. Ever had a church member who thought they had to be president of every ministry or else nobody could get anything done? They are more a hindrance than help. I have no business being in the finance ministry if my gift is singing. Let the finance people do what they do best. It's okay if Obama is not part of the process. As long as he is well informed. Remember, Bush is still president. At this point in time, we should be holding him more accountable than Obama.
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RE: McCain WILL ATTEND DEBATE - 9/26/2008 12:35:41 PM
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ORIGINAL: GregandJenny The sad thing is is that Obama doesn't have to do any work and McCain has to do a lot of work. whether or not we want to admit it or come to terms with it America is furious with the performance of the current administration. Unfortunately John McCain is connected to it. He has to do EVERYTHING in his power to distance himself from Bush. I know John is different than Bush, but most people look at the one cracked egg shell and go for another dozen. Obama can relax He is really not having to prove anything like McCain. G I agree. The unfortunate thing for McCain was that he injected himself into it when he didn't have to. We understand that he as well as Obama are not so gifted in economics as the people in the banking and finance committees. That's why they are not on those committees. But McCain had us believe he was suspending his campaign because without him, it wouldn't get done. Well, he has to back that up. I appreciate Obama's cool head about not trying to be the hero when there are people already filling that role in the committees responsible for making economic and banking decisions. Ever heard of delegating work to those who can get the job done? Is McCain a micro-manager? Or did he stick his nose where it didn't belong and now he has to make good?
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RE: McCain WILL ATTEND DEBATE - 9/26/2008 12:38:27 PM
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While I agree that this is a serious issue, it takes prudence, good judgment (which includes staying out of things if you have nothing to offer), and calm heads. The potential NEXT PRESIDENT of the USA should stay out of it because he knows nothing about economics? And they say McCain is weak on economics...
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RE: McCain WILL ATTEND DEBATE - 9/26/2008 12:42:54 PM
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ORIGINAL: adelphi_sky quote:
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ORIGINAL: adelphi_sky quote:
ORIGINAL: stamper_ben It is being reported that Obama is at the gym this morning. Man! That guy sure can multitask. Well, I'd expect any president to stay in shape. Come on guys, it's not that serious. Do you want him to sit in his office so YOU have the PERCEPTION he's doing something? We all have lunch breaks and personal time even when we're busy. There are hundreds of lawmakers working on this bill. There's a threshold of too many hands being in the pot. I try to find time to keep myself in shape as well. Health is very important concerning the presidency. I recall the Bible story where Jesus was sleeping in the boat during the raging storm. His followers thought he was crazy (laying down on the job). Sometimes, we leave things up to God after we've done all we can do. It doesn't mean we're wasting time doing nothing. It means we're not panicking. NOT THAT SERIOUS??? An economic analyst on Bloomberg Tv said that the real numbers for this "bailout" was 5 TRILLION dollars. 0bama wasn't worried about this "bailout" since his corrupt buddies loaded up the bill with billions of dollars of pork to his pet organization, ACORN. Oh my gosh!!! Oh my gosh!!! The sky is falling!! The sky is falling!!! Let's get the entire legislature, justice department, homeland security, executive branch, bank executives, the treasury, and the fed all in Washington right now running around like chickens with their heads cut off!!!!! Sure, that will accomplish something. While I agree that this is a serious issue, it takes prudence, good judgment (which includes staying out of things if you have nothing to offer), and calm heads. We all know people who but in where they are not gifted trying to act like they are in control only cause discord and stress. Ever had a church member who thought they had to be president of every ministry or else nobody could get anything done? They are more a hindrance than help. I have no business being in the finance ministry if my gift is singing. Let the finance people do what they do best. It's okay if Obama is not part of the process. As long as he is well informed. Remember, Bush is still president. At this point in time, we should be holding him more accountable than Obama. So Obama is in charge of a meeting full of chickens with their heads cut off, what does that make him? Hint: a failed negotiator. He is not readly to lead. McCain getting him there to showcase that was a brilliant move. btw your comparison of him and Christ really should end with the idea that they both shared the commonality of having 10 fingers and 10 toes. I didn't see anywhere in the Bible where Jesus ran round trying to organize communities into rustling up more diciples for himself legal or otherwise.
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RE: McCain WILL ATTEND DEBATE - 9/26/2008 12:43:45 PM
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The potential NEXT PRESIDENT of the USA should stay out of it because he knows nothing about economics? And they say McCain is weak on economics... (I am a republican) Saying nothing sometimes is better than saying something and sounding stupid. G
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RE: McCain WILL ATTEND DEBATE - 9/26/2008 12:44:43 PM
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While I agree that this is a serious issue, it takes prudence, good judgment (which includes staying out of things if you have nothing to offer), and calm heads. The potential NEXT PRESIDENT of the USA should stay out of it because he knows nothing about economics? And they say McCain is weak on economics... No president is an expert on everything. Should a president be an expert on everything? I thought that's what advisers were for? Should me CEO be an expert on Unix Systems administration? Or should he hire people who can manage that function of the organization for him? Come on people. We all know how this works. A president makes decisions based on information from his subordinates. He is not always intimately involved in the details of how that information is obtained. If the President was the end-all-be-all, he wouldn't need a congress or a cabinet. That's a monarchy isn't it? :-) Even still, Kings and Queens have their advisers. It's not whether you are the one gathering the information. As a leader, it's choosing those people that can get you the right information so you can make the right decisions. Question: Is Bush in the Capitol hashing it out with the legislature, or is he in the White House gathering updates?
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RE: McCain WILL ATTEND DEBATE - 9/26/2008 12:46:28 PM
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It will be funny. Obama may be good at a podium, but he's only a mediocre debater. And McCain is at least as bad. I hope that Obama rambles like an untenured sociology professor, and that McCain starts clenching his jaw and turns purple. That always makes me crack up!
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RE: McCain WILL ATTEND DEBATE - 9/26/2008 12:47:28 PM
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The potential NEXT PRESIDENT of the USA should stay out of it because he knows nothing about economics? And they say McCain is weak on economics... (I am a republican) Saying nothing sometimes is better than saying something and sounding stupid. G My point is that this man may be the one to manage this crisis (and a crisis it is) for the next four years. Shouldn't that person be involved, and deeply involved, from the beginning? Who knows, he just might learn something, even if he only remains a Jr. Senator.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/26/2008 12:48:12 PM
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ORIGINAL: phreddy TaoPoohBear, I am having a hard time following you logic. You post an article from Newsweek that complains about McCain not doing enough and lauding Obama for doing more than talking (even though all he did was talk about the problem), Then you complain about McCain actually doing something besides talking about the problem. All I can deduce is, that in your eyes, no matter what McCain does it will be wrong and no matter what Obama does it will be right. That's because all Tao wants to do is complain about McCain and praise Obama (oh wait that's being partisan and unfair..sorry I'll retract the statement later)
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/26/2008 12:50:49 PM
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My point is that this man may be the one to manage this crisis (and a crisis it is) for the next four years. Shouldn't that person be involved, and deeply involved, from the beginning? Who knows, he just might learn something, even if he only remains a Jr. Senator. I agree he SHOULD be involved, but why take that gamble? Why sound like you know nothing when keeping your mouth closed probably makes you look smarter
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RE: McCain WILL ATTEND DEBATE - 9/26/2008 12:51:44 PM
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The potential NEXT PRESIDENT of the USA should stay out of it because he knows nothing about economics? And they say McCain is weak on economics... (I am a republican) Saying nothing sometimes is better than saying something and sounding stupid. G My point is that this man may be the one to manage this crisis (and a crisis it is) for the next four years. Shouldn't that person be involved, and deeply involved, from the beginning? Who knows, he just might learn something, even if he only remains a Jr. Senator. Crosstraining in congress? lol He's already on committees where he's learning things. Does that mean the whole congress should be on the banking and finance committees now that we have this crises? It's those committees' time to shine. Also, whos' to say he isn't learning anything? Does he have to have his hand in every pot to have a working knowledge of what's going on? As far as we know, he's been in contact on a daily basis. He does have other responsibilities. Is he aloud to sleep? Eat? lol It's a 90-minute debate. He's not going on vacation.
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RE: McCain WILL ATTEND DEBATE - 9/26/2008 12:58:30 PM
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ORIGINAL: stamper_ben It is being reported that Obama is at the gym this morning. Man! That guy sure can multitask. Well, I'd expect any president to stay in shape. Come on guys, it's not that serious. Do you want him to sit in his office so YOU have the PERCEPTION he's doing something? We all have lunch breaks and personal time even when we're busy. There are hundreds of lawmakers working on this bill. There's a threshold of too many hands being in the pot. I try to find time to keep myself in shape as well. Health is very important concerning the presidency. I recall the Bible story where Jesus was sleeping in the boat during the raging storm. His followers thought he was crazy (laying down on the job). Sometimes, we leave things up to God after we've done all we can do. It doesn't mean we're wasting time doing nothing. It means we're not panicking. NOT THAT SERIOUS??? An economic analyst on Bloomberg Tv said that the real numbers for this "bailout" was 5 TRILLION dollars. 0bama wasn't worried about this "bailout" since his corrupt buddies loaded up the bill with billions of dollars of pork to his pet organization, ACORN. Oh my gosh!!! Oh my gosh!!! The sky is falling!! The sky is falling!!! Let's get the entire legislature, justice department, homeland security, executive branch, bank executives, the treasury, and the fed all in Washington right now running around like chickens with their heads cut off!!!!! Sure, that will accomplish something. While I agree that this is a serious issue, it takes prudence, good judgment (which includes staying out of things if you have nothing to offer), and calm heads. We all know people who but in where they are not gifted trying to act like they are in control only cause discord and stress. Ever had a church member who thought they had to be president of every ministry or else nobody could get anything done? They are more a hindrance than help. I have no business being in the finance ministry if my gift is singing. Let the finance people do what they do best. It's okay if Obama is not part of the process. As long as he is well informed. Remember, Bush is still president. At this point in time, we should be holding him more accountable than Obama. So Obama is in charge of a meeting full of chickens with their heads cut off, what does that make him? Hint: a failed negotiator. He is not readly to lead. McCain getting him there to showcase that was a brilliant move. btw your comparison of him and Christ really should end with the idea that they both shared the commonality of having 10 fingers and 10 toes. I didn't see anywhere in the Bible where Jesus ran round trying to organize communities into rustling up more diciples for himself legal or otherwise. MCCain also showed that he was completely inept and actually caused more harm to the process than good. He had NOTHING to offer either. What is bad is the fact that he boasted about suspending his campaign in order to contribute. He did NOT contribute. They basically told him to go away. Which is why he's on his way to Mississippi. And you know what comparison I was making. That parable teaches us that in times of uncertainty and fear, we should be able to rest in the knowledge that God has everything under control. If you interpret that another way, then we'll just have to disagree.
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RE: McCain WILL ATTEND DEBATE - 9/26/2008 1:10:49 PM
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Does that mean the whole congress should be on the banking and finance committees now that we have this crises? It's those committees' time to shine. Oh yes. We don't need the next prospective President to be involved in banking and finance. I mean, after all, we do have $13 million Chris Dodd as chair of the Senate banking committee after all.
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RE: McCain WILL ATTEND DEBATE - 9/26/2008 1:21:30 PM
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Does that mean the whole congress should be on the banking and finance committees now that we have this crises? It's those committees' time to shine. Oh yes. We don't need the next prospective President to be involved in banking and finance. I mean, after all, we do have $13 million Chris Dodd as chair of the Senate banking committee after all. Then let's pray his constituents vote him out of office and choose one who doesn't take money from lobbyists. Right now, he's then man. Just like we have to deal with Bush until he's gone.
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RE: McCain WILL ATTEND DEBATE - 9/26/2008 1:21:31 PM
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ORIGINAL: stamper_ben It is being reported that Obama is at the gym this morning. Man! That guy sure can multitask. Well, I'd expect any president to stay in shape. Come on guys, it's not that serious. Do you want him to sit in his office so YOU have the PERCEPTION he's doing something? We all have lunch breaks and personal time even when we're busy. There are hundreds of lawmakers working on this bill. There's a threshold of too many hands being in the pot. I try to find time to keep myself in shape as well. Health is very important concerning the presidency. I recall the Bible story where Jesus was sleeping in the boat during the raging storm. His followers thought he was crazy (laying down on the job). Sometimes, we leave things up to God after we've done all we can do. It doesn't mean we're wasting time doing nothing. It means we're not panicking. NOT THAT SERIOUS??? An economic analyst on Bloomberg Tv said that the real numbers for this "bailout" was 5 TRILLION dollars. 0bama wasn't worried about this "bailout" since his corrupt buddies loaded up the bill with billions of dollars of pork to his pet organization, ACORN. Oh my gosh!!! Oh my gosh!!! The sky is falling!! The sky is falling!!! Let's get the entire legislature, justice department, homeland security, executive branch, bank executives, the treasury, and the fed all in Washington right now running around like chickens with their heads cut off!!!!! Sure, that will accomplish something. While I agree that this is a serious issue, it takes prudence, good judgment (which includes staying out of things if you have nothing to offer), and calm heads. We all know people who but in where they are not gifted trying to act like they are in control only cause discord and stress. Ever had a church member who thought they had to be president of every ministry or else nobody could get anything done? They are more a hindrance than help. I have no business being in the finance ministry if my gift is singing. Let the finance people do what they do best. It's okay if Obama is not part of the process. As long as he is well informed. Remember, Bush is still president. At this point in time, we should be holding him more accountable than Obama. So Obama is in charge of a meeting full of chickens with their heads cut off, what does that make him? Hint: a failed negotiator. He is not readly to lead. McCain getting him there to showcase that was a brilliant move. btw your comparison of him and Christ really should end with the idea that they both shared the commonality of having 10 fingers and 10 toes. I didn't see anywhere in the Bible where Jesus ran round trying to organize communities into rustling up more diciples for himself legal or otherwise. MCCain also showed that he was completely inept and actually caused more harm to the process than good. He had NOTHING to offer either. What is bad is the fact that he boasted about suspending his campaign in order to contribute. He did NOT contribute. They basically told him to go away. Which is why he's on his way to Mississippi. And you know what comparison I was making. That parable teaches us that in times of uncertainty and fear, we should be able to rest in the knowledge that God has everything under control. If you interpret that another way, then we'll just have to disagree. Have any proof they "told him to go away"? or anything REMOTELY implying that?? "Senator McCain has spent the morning talking to members of the Administration, members of the Senate, and members of the House. He is optimistic that there has been significant progress toward a bipartisan agreement now that there is a framework for all parties to be represented in negotiations, including Representative Blunt as a designated negotiator for House Republicans. The McCain campaign is resuming all activities and the Senator will travel to the debate this afternoon. Following the debate, he will return to Washington to ensure that all voices and interests are represented in the final agreement, especially those of taxpayers and homeowners." It is obvious from accounts of the meeting that Obama was political posturing , confused, and indecisive and McCain was quietly and competently engaged by listening rather than rambling for political points.
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