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RE: McCain WILL ATTEND DEBATE - 9/26/2008 1:26:36 PM
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adelphi_sky
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It is being reported that Obama is at the gym this morning.
Man! That guy sure can multitask. 
Well, I'd expect any president to stay in shape. Come on guys, it's not that serious. Do you want him to sit in his office so YOU have the PERCEPTION he's doing something? We all have lunch breaks and personal time even when we're busy. There are hundreds of lawmakers working on this bill. There's a threshold of too many hands being in the pot. I try to find time to keep myself in shape as well. Health is very important concerning the presidency.
I recall the Bible story where Jesus was sleeping in the boat during the raging storm. His followers thought he was crazy (laying down on the job). Sometimes, we leave things up to God after we've done all we can do. It doesn't mean we're wasting time doing nothing. It means we're not panicking.
NOT THAT SERIOUS??? An economic analyst on Bloomberg Tv said that the real numbers for this "bailout" was 5 TRILLION dollars. 0bama wasn't worried about this "bailout" since his corrupt buddies loaded up the bill with billions of dollars of pork to his pet organization, ACORN.
Oh my gosh!!! Oh my gosh!!! The sky is falling!! The sky is falling!!! Let's get the entire legislature, justice department, homeland security, executive branch, bank executives, the treasury, and the fed all in Washington right now running around like chickens with their heads cut off!!!!! Sure, that will accomplish something.
While I agree that this is a serious issue, it takes prudence, good judgment (which includes staying out of things if you have nothing to offer), and calm heads. We all know people who but in where they are not gifted trying to act like they are in control only cause discord and stress. Ever had a church member who thought they had to be president of every ministry or else nobody could get anything done? They are more a hindrance than help. I have no business being in the finance ministry if my gift is singing. Let the finance people do what they do best. It's okay if Obama is not part of the process. As long as he is well informed. Remember, Bush is still president. At this point in time, we should be holding him more accountable than Obama.
So Obama is in charge of a meeting full of chickens with their heads cut off, what does that make him?
Hint: a failed negotiator. He is not readly to lead.
McCain getting him there to showcase that was a brilliant move.
btw your comparison of him and Christ really should end with the idea that they both shared the commonality of having 10 fingers and 10 toes.
I didn't see anywhere in the Bible where Jesus ran round trying to organize communities into rustling up more diciples for himself legal or otherwise.
MCCain also showed that he was completely inept and actually caused more harm to the process than good. He had NOTHING to offer either. What is bad is the fact that he boasted about suspending his campaign in order to contribute. He did NOT contribute. They basically told him to go away. Which is why he's on his way to Mississippi.
And you know what comparison I was making. That parable teaches us that in times of uncertainty and fear, we should be able to rest in the knowledge that God has everything under control. If you interpret that another way, then we'll just have to disagree.
Have any proof they "told him to go away"? or anything REMOTELY implying that??
"Senator McCain has spent the morning talking to members of the Administration, members of the Senate, and members of the House. He is optimistic that there has been significant progress toward a bipartisan agreement now that there is a framework for all parties to be represented in negotiations, including Representative Blunt as a designated negotiator for House Republicans. The McCain campaign is resuming all activities and the Senator will travel to the debate this afternoon. Following the debate, he will return to Washington to ensure that all voices and interests are represented in the final agreement, especially those of taxpayers and homeowners."
It is obvious from accounts of the meeting that Obama was political posturing , confused, and indecisive and McCain was quietly and competently engaged by listening rather than rambling for political points.
No, McCain waited until the end to ramble. :-) And I was talking about yesterday. Not today. And yet, though no bill has passed, McCain is off to the debate. Why didn't he cancel? If you think Obama not being physically in Washington is a sign of lack of leadership, then where is McCain going after he said he wasn't going to the debate if nothing was passed by this morning? Does that show good judgment? I mean whether you think it was good or not for McCain to be on the Letterman show during a time like this, he stood him up for an interview. Was that interview as important? Then the next morning he spoke at a conference. Yeah. it's urgent, but I'll get there when I get there. I mean to go as far as suspending a campaign and then give a false sense of urgency does not show good leadership.
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RE: McCain WILL ATTEND DEBATE - 9/26/2008 1:32:44 PM
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Right now, he's then man. Yes, but who's man? The people's? Or the banking industry lobbyist's?
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RE: McCain WILL ATTEND DEBATE - 9/26/2008 1:35:54 PM
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The accusation that Senator McCain "injected" himself into the process is specious at best. His presence was requested by the Treasury Secretary, not to work on the bill itself, but to talk to the other Republicans to get them onboard. To make use of the relationships he's built up over many years in office. For those who missed it the first time, here's the CBS News report (in the embedded video):
McCain was asked for help
Furthermore, that sort of negotiating does not take place on the Senate floor. It happens behind closed doors.
What is appalling in this is that the very Democrats who bear a significant share of the responsibility for this mess had the audacity to try to load the bailout bill with pork. That is absolutely disgraceful, I don't care what your party affiliation is.
-Robb
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RE: McCain WILL ATTEND DEBATE - 9/26/2008 3:41:43 PM
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Have any proof they "told him to go away"? or anything REMOTELY implying that??
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Asked if he wanted McCain to be a part in the nitty-gritty negotiation between Congress and the Bush administration, (Third-ranking House Republican) Rep. Adam Putnam of Florida indicated he didn’t think this was a good idea by remaining silent for 10 seconds.
Asked what specific role McCain could play in revising the Paulson/Frank plan, Putnam answered carefully, “The most productive role Sen. McCain and Sen. Obama could play would be for them to each acknowledge the need for a congressional intervention to avert a financial disaster. By doing so, they would detoxify this process and bless a bipartisan proposal moving forward by taking it out of the presidential politics mix.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26875565/page/2/
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It is obvious from accounts of the meeting that Obama was political posturing , confused, and indecisive and McCain was quietly and competently engaged by listening rather than rambling for political points.
It's obvious your information is suspect.
That's quite a spin you put on it. 
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When Bush yielded early to Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D- Nev.) to speak, they yielded to Obama to speak for the assembled Democrats. And it was Obama who raised the subject of the conservative alternative and pressed Paulson on what he thought of the idea.
It was McCain who had urged Bush to call the White House meeting but Democrats made sure Obama had a prominent part. And much as they complained later of being blindsided, the whole event turned out to be something of an ambush on their part—aimed at McCain and House Republicans.
“Speaking professionally,” said one Republican aide, “They did a very good job.”
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RE: McCain WILL ATTEND DEBATE - 9/26/2008 4:02:34 PM
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What is appalling in this is that the very Democrats who bear a significant share of the responsibility for this mess had the audacity to try to load the bailout bill with pork. That is absolutely disgraceful, I don't care what your party affiliation is.
-Robb
You cant add 'pork' to a pig. The entire bill is 'pork'.
Conservative glossary:
"Pork": giving $1,000 to a homeowner who bought a house he couldn't afford.
"Responsible Investment": Giving $700 Billion to the investment banker who stupidly lent the guy the $.
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RE: McCain WILL ATTEND DEBATE - 9/26/2008 4:11:51 PM
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How can the house republicans be blocking the democrats from passing a bill when the democrats have majority in both houses? Seems to me the bill does not have the backing of all the democrats and the majority leadership wants someone else to blame it on.
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RE: McCain WILL ATTEND DEBATE - 9/26/2008 4:14:42 PM
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How can the house republicans be blocking the democrats from passing a bill when the democrats have majority in both houses? Seems to me the bill does not have the backing of all the democrats and the majority leadership wants someone else to blame it on.
Same way the Dems could block the bill that would've stopped this mess from being so bad two years ago.
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RE: McCain WILL ATTEND DEBATE - 9/26/2008 4:34:26 PM
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FYI - Accusatory statements without proof are called a lie.
Got any proof?
(like, say.... a link?)
I think they call them opinions. Some opinions are based on facts that are wrong and are therefore wrong. Not all opinions are based on faulty facts and therefore not all opinions are wrong.
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RE: McCain WILL ATTEND DEBATE - 9/26/2008 4:51:08 PM
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You need more than a simple majority in the House to pass a bill dealing with finance.
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RE: McCain WILL ATTEND DEBATE - 9/26/2008 4:57:11 PM
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FYI - Accusatory statements without proof are called a lie.
Got any proof?
(like, say.... a link?)
I think they call them opinions. Some opinions are based on facts that are wrong and are therefore wrong. Not all opinions are based on faulty facts and therefore not all opinions are wrong.
I disagree. There are actually called lies.
Definition of a lie:
1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive
2 : to create a false or misleading impression
Definition of opinion:
1 a: a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter b: approval , esteem2 a: belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge b: a generally held view3 a: a formal expression of judgment or advice by an expert b: the formal expression (as by a judge, court, or referee) of the legal reasons and principles upon which a legal decision is based
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RE: McCain WILL ATTEND DEBATE - 9/26/2008 5:14:48 PM
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Actually the quote he/she was responding to was in fact an opinion (calling something disgraceful is an opinion and in this case one I happen to agree with). kk? tks
the information leading to that opinion could be easily substantiated or disproven with senate vote records should anyone care enough to review them.
p.s. don't drop your dictionary on your foot while putting it away, I'd hate for you to drop it on your toe.
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RE: McCain WILL ATTEND DEBATE - 9/26/2008 5:53:42 PM
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Thank you for the link to the bill, TaoPoohBear.
Letter d on this page seems to be what was described in the "Agreement in Principal" concerning disposition of profits. There is the earmark.
-Robb
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RE: McCain WILL ATTEND DEBATE - 9/26/2008 6:02:46 PM
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What is appalling in this is that the very Democrats who bear a significant share of the responsibility for this mess had the audacity to try to load the bailout bill with pork. That is absolutely disgraceful, I don't care what your party affiliation is.
-Robb
FYI - Accusatory statements without proof are called a lie.
Got any proof?
(like, say.... a link?)
Will this do?
The key passage from the "Agreement in Principal" is:
"Directs a certain percentage of future profits to the Affordable Housing Fund and the Capital Magnet Fund to meet America's housing needs."
Referring to any profits eventually reaped from the assets the government will be taking over. That link details how the money would end up in the hands of groups like ACORN.
Now if that analysis can be reasonably refuted, then I retract my statement. Otherwise, I believe an apology would be in order.
Thank you for posting your link.
Although that's not my definition of a "load of pork",
according to your link, this one item is "pork".
I apoligize.
But your link's a liar. They're not pork.
National Housing Trust Fund
Signed into law 7/30/08, this Fund is for affordable housing; It also includes (in it) the Capital Magnet Fund.
So, the Affordable Housing Fund and the Capital Magnet Fund are in the same Bill signed into law in July -
H.R. 3221
Voted
Senate: Yea-72, Nay-13
House: Yea-272, Nay-152
That's an awful lot of pig farmers in Congress!
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RE: McCain WILL ATTEND DEBATE - 9/26/2008 7:09:16 PM
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Thank you for posting your link.
Although that's not my definition of a "load of pork",
according to your link, this one item is "pork".
I apoligize.
Cool, thanks.
Yeah, loaded was perhaps too strong a word. But the idea there might be any in there infuriated me.
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But your link's a liar. They're not pork.
National Housing Trust Fund
Signed into law 7/30/08, this Fund is for affordable housing; It also includes (in it) the Capital Magnet Fund.
So, the Affordable Housing Fund and the Capital Magnet Fund are in the same Bill signed into law in July -
H.R. 3221
Voted
Senate: Yea-72, Nay-13
House: Yea-272, Nay-152
That's an awful lot of pig farmers in Congress!
Well, no argument there! 
Thanks for the links. So the Trust Fund gives the money to the states, who then dole it out to various groups. The contention is that ACORN and similar groups very friendly to Democrats stand to receive a big slice of that pie from the states. This Wall Street Journal article seems to be the original source of that assertion.
Concerns about ACORN aside, why stick that into the bill? The money for the bailout is coming from all of us taxpayers. In my opinion, any profits should be 100% returned to all of us. (Or to the Treasury to help pay off the debt as noted in the bill.)
-Robb
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/26/2008 7:28:52 PM
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So you think because McCain didn't josh around with Letterman and communicated his intentions through news outlets he was 'lying'? Seriously todd, you are smarter than that.
Check out yesterday's footage of Letterman on You Tube regarding McCain's no-show. Dave's not very amused.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFw-_e1ZckI
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/26/2008 7:31:26 PM
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CBS News department wasn't very amused either.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/26/2008 8:11:13 PM
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You cant add 'pork' to a pig. The entire bill is 'pork'.
Conservative glossary:
"Pork": giving $1,000 to a homeowner who bought a house he couldn't afford.
"Responsible Investment": Giving $700 Billion to the investment banker who stupidly lent the guy the $.
Worth repeating.
The hyprocrisy is almost unfathomable.
Now MCcain is going to the debate.
He tried a political move and it backfired.
I say John, keep your word and don't go until a deal is made.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/26/2008 8:59:21 PM
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Here is what my favorite Repubican candidate said about the suspended debate that now will go on:
"Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee said Thursday that Sen. John McCain made a "huge mistake" by even discussing canceling the presidential debate with Sen. Barack Obama."
Viva Huckabee!
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/26/2008 9:11:36 PM
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Adriana: I was a huge Huckabee supporter as well. I was sad when he dropped out of the race :( I have been enjoying his appearances since then, however. He is wise as usual, though I disagree with him on this one issue. I think McCain showed some strong leadership putting everything on hold to do his actual job as a Senator in a critical time.
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RE: McCain WILL ATTEND DEBATE - 9/26/2008 9:20:29 PM
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Thank you for the link to the bill, TaoPoohBear.
Letter d on this page seems to be what was described in the "Agreement in Principal" concerning disposition of profits. There is the earmark.
-Robb
Yeah, don't know if I'd call it an earmark per se.
I took it as using some of the "return" on this "investment" to help out those this debacle has hurt most. I guess those who are doing better off could call it an earmark or pork, unless thet got their share.
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Concerns about ACORN aside, why stick that into the bill? The money for the bailout is coming from all of us taxpayers. In my opinion, any profits should be 100% returned to all of us. (Or to the Treasury to help pay off the debt as noted in the bill.)
Again, figured 20% would be a small price to pay to help those hurt the worst.
From the Housing Trust Fund website -
The Housing Trust Fund’s most important features are:
At least 90% of the funds must be used for the production, preservation, rehabilitation, or operation of rental housing. Up to 10% can be used for the following homeownership activities for first-time homebuyers: production, preservation, and rehabilitation; down payment assistance, closing cost assistance, and assistance for interest rate buy-downs.
At least 75% of the funds for rental housing must benefit extremely low income households and all funds must benefit very low income households.
Capital Magnet Fund
Among the criteria in determining which areas should be served are:
> the percentage of low income families or the extent of poverty
> the rate of unemployment or underemployment
> the extent of blight and disinvestment
> projects targeting extremely low, very low , and low income families in an area of economic distress
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/26/2008 9:35:38 PM
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Adriana: I was a huge Huckabee supporter as well. I was sad when he dropped out of the race :( I have been enjoying his appearances since then, however. He is wise as usual, though I disagree with him on this one issue. I think McCain showed some strong leadership putting everything on hold to do his actual job as a Senator in a critical time.
Than we agree to disagree, ManimalX...
He was the best candidate who would go very well with Mrs Palin.. 
I cannot support Mr. McCain, I am a conservative in stuff that many others conservatives are not.
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RE: McCain suspends debates - 9/27/2008 12:02:26 AM
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CBS News department wasn't very amused either.
Maybe McCain felt compelled to come onto CBS as a quick palate-cleanser after Sarah Palin embarrassed herself with Katie Couric.
If Palin goes into her debate with Biden next week with a similar performance she's going to get char-broiled.
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