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RE: K.C. mom wants 'Mice and Men' removed - 9/26/2008 12:04:38 PM
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ekserekseez
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Yes, and it seems, from the article, that she' made herself heard loud, clear, and often, and others disagree. (Did you read the article?).
She is not happy with BEING HEARD. She wants to DICTATE what others are permitted to hear.
So people have a right to make the courts impose their DICTATES on others? How is that democratic? Sounds like RINO judicial activism of a socialist state to me.
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RE: K.C. mom wants 'Mice and Men' removed - 9/26/2008 12:06:11 PM
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mapachito13
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She can object all she wants, at least in a free world. Many fear that freedom, however.
She IS objecting. Has she exercised power over the rest of the students in the school districts by her actions? No! But she has the right by law and legal precedence to exempt her child from parts of curriculum she finds offensive.
Parents in public school can get their children exempted from sex education classes if they so wish but all conservatives like to do is complain about it instead of investigating their rights. I suggest a thorough reading of education law and the SCOTUS decisions concerning education especially in regards to parental and students rights!
I am changing your last sentence in you post to read, "Many CONSERVATIVES fear that freedom, however." Or they will resort to labeling you as un-patriotic, un-American, socialistic, un-Christian, less of a Christian, pinko, commie, etc., etc.
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RE: K.C. mom wants 'Mice and Men' removed - 9/26/2008 12:09:52 PM
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ekserekseez
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Sounds to me like, instead of removing her kid from hearing the "offensive" material, she wants to stop ANYONE from hearing it.
She SHOULD take her kid out. Better yet, send it to a private school, "homeschool" it, or whatever.
She has a right to complain. She does NOT have a right for the rest of the world to dance attendance on her whim. Unless, of course, she sues and the court "discovers" this "right" for her.
Do so few people care about freedom any more?
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RE: K.C. mom wants 'Mice and Men' removed - 9/26/2008 12:17:00 PM
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Dubya
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Sounds to me like, instead of removing her kid from hearing the "offensive" material, she wants to stop ANYONE from hearing it.
She doesn't care if anyone reads the book.
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She SHOULD take her kid out. Better yet, send it to a private school, "homeschool" it, or whatever.
SHe has the right to make that choice or not. You do not have the right to DICTATE to her.
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She has a right to complain. Thank you for agreeing.quote:
She does NOT have a right for the rest of the world to dance attendance on her whim. Guess what? Nobody is!quote:
Unless, of course, she sues and the court "discovers" this "right" for her.
Not likely to happen.quote:
Do so few people care about freedom any more?
I care greatly for freedom... including the freedom of someone to complain about what is being taught in their schools. And their freedom to seek redress for perceived wrongs in the courts.
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RE: K.C. mom wants 'Mice and Men' removed - 9/26/2008 12:43:59 PM
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ekserekseez
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Dubya:
You have many errors or falsehoods:
I am NOT dictating to her. I fully support her right to take her kid out of class. I don't particularly care if she educates her child or not. Neither, apparently, does she. NOT OUR BUSINESS. What IS others' business is that she cannot DICTATE that NOBODY ELSE gets to read the book out loud.
You say she doesn't care if anyone reads the book. ERROR! ERROR! ERROR! Did you read the article? She cares if you read it aloud.
Oh, I guess it's okay if freedom of speech is made silent. Where's the "speech" part then?
You accuse me, and others, of not reading. I would do the same with you, but you probably wouldn't read it.
Forcing people to kowtow to your wishes because you have a RINO activist court on your side is not "FREEDOM" except maybe in Iran or Cuba.
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RE: K.C. mom wants 'Mice and Men' removed - 9/26/2008 1:24:54 PM
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Dubya
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Dubya:
You have many errors or falsehoods:
I am NOT dictating to her. I fully support her right to take her kid out of class. I don't particularly care if she educates her child or not. Neither, apparently, does she. NOT OUR BUSINESS. What IS others' business is that she cannot DICTATE that NOBODY ELSE gets to read the book out loud.
You are attributing to her a power she does not have. So far, all she has done is to object to the book and the language contained in it - this you have agreed that she has the right to do.
She has a right to complain and object as loudly and to whomever will listen. You have agreed that she has that right. But she has no power to dictate. She is just a concerned mom.
Now, if the school board or a school official listens to her and agrees with her then maybe the book could be removed from the list of required reading. But at this point, the democratic process has worked - a citizen has voiced concern and the government official responds.
But so far, however, the school has not agreed with her and her demands have not been met. She has not dictated to anyone and she has no power to do so.
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You say she doesn't care if anyone reads the book. ERROR! ERROR! ERROR! Did you read the article? She cares if you read it aloud.
Two different things. And to be more accurate, she only cares if it is read aloud in class.
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Oh, I guess it's okay if freedom of speech is made silent. Where's the "speech" part then?
In the printed word.
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You accuse me, and others, of not reading. I would do the same with you, but you probably wouldn't read it.
Forcing people to kowtow to your wishes because you have a RINO activist court on your side is not "FREEDOM" except maybe in Iran or Cuba.
I do not believe in "forcing" anything on anyone... including forcing a student to sit idle while language he feels is offensive is being read aloud in front of him.
I am not offended by the word but I understand why some would be. Let's get real for a while... if the word is never uttered on TV, or if a radio broadcaster can get fired for saying it, or if you could get yourself banned from CW for using it in a post, don't you think that the same rules of civility be applied in the public school? I do. After all, even the article found the word too offensive to put in print.
I think the fact that you disavowed your hero, Ronald Reagan, when you objected to his fight against child pornography says a lot about the kind of freedoms you promote.
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RE: K.C. mom wants 'Mice and Men' removed - 9/26/2008 1:43:49 PM
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ekserekseez
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I promote the kinds of freedoms that YOU can determine for YOURSELF.
And I already said that the kid doesn't have to sit and listen to something it, or its parents, don't approve of.
Remember your "printed word" comment in the future. You, or your children, will want to speak, and you will not be TOLD to be quiet, you will be FORCED to be quiet, and told that you have your freedom of the "printed word" as long as you shut up.
I'm used to people trying to railroad over the rights of others. What astonishes me are the people who claim to believe in freedom, but actually THROW AWAY THEIR OWN RIGHTS!
So go ahead, sell your birthright. Hope you like the cold porridge! At least you won't be bothered by someone "reading aloud" as you eat it. And I hope it doesn't stick in your throat because it tastes like your children's bitter future; I know it would stick in mine.
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