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RE: Double standard - 10/11/2008 10:05:07 PM
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Ps103
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I pointed something similar out to Himself once, and his opinion was that men have a sense of humor about themselves, while women much less so.
He looked at the buffon on tv and laughed--he didn't necessarily see himself in the protrayal, but he did "get" the humor in it (while I didn't.)
But he pointed out that if a female had been in the doofus-seat (for lack of a better phrase) no women would be able to see the humor in it, but that men--particularly those, like him, who are taken seriously in life, are more able to see the goofy side of themselves.
I thought it was an interesting perspective.
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RE: Double standard - 10/18/2008 2:24:30 AM
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There's another double standard I've recently noticed.
If a man says, "My wife is my better half. She made me what I am today. I would be nothing without her," people think, "Oh, what a sweet, sensitive man. He appreciates his wife." Let a woman say anything even remotely similar about her husband, and see how fast she is labeled a codependent.
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RE: Double standard - 10/18/2008 2:30:52 AM
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ORIGINAL: car2ner
IF there is no conflict, there is no story. IF there is no hint of tragedy there is no humor. Humor is being able to rise above and share surviving the irritations in life.
What I agree with the OP is this: sometimes there seems to be too much of one type of irritation and that may be because if a show or a concept is popular, there will be a lot of copy catting going on. If no one watched the show, it would put an end to it quickly. So that sad thing is that so many people watch these shows and find some connection to them. Are there too many real life spouses who behave somewhat like these t.v. spouses? We laugh mostly when we can say to ourselves, "been there, done that, have the t-shirt to prove it".
I'm old enough to remember the music variety shows of the 1970's. Donny and Marie. Sonny and Cher. Even then, it was the woman who was more likely to zap the man with a zinger. Marie *always* left Donny with egg on his face. Cher *always* got the last laugh on Sonny. It could have been a root-for-the-underdog kind of appeal, since equal rights for women was just coming to public consciousness.
The only thing that really makes me grumble about those days is my memory of a certain family acquaintance. He didn't like Marie. He didn't like Cher. He didn't like to see a woman put a man down. But Archie Bunker--now, he was funny!  Male chauvinism. The reason this kind of humor got to be popular.
But I agree that it's seen its day. It's time to balance now. Women are no longer an automatic underdog.
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RE: Double standard - 10/19/2008 9:25:03 PM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: LovebirdsFlying
If a man says, "My wife is my better half. She made me what I am today. I would be nothing without her," people think, "Oh, what a sweet, sensitive man. He appreciates his wife." Let a woman say anything even remotely similar about her husband, and see how fast she is labeled a codependent.
I've noticed a LOT of men calling their wives the "better half" and the women referring to their hubbies as the "other half". I have a problem with that ... two equal halves make a whole. Calling one "better" while the other one is just referred to as "the other" shows an imbalance in the relationship. I guess I'm thinking about this more these days, as dh's brother just got married yesterday ...
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RE: Double standard - 10/19/2008 10:17:48 PM
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Double standards
I am not sure about TV and its role in the changing roles and stereotypes of male and females. I don’t watch TV except for college sports and prefer LSU or Ole MS Football. I can’t stand comedies or sit coms as they call them. My wife is a big fan of CSI in whatever city that episode is from. I told her one night I believe she watches these shows so she can figure out how to knock me off and get away with it. Lol
I have been stereotyped several times in my life so I don’t know how people expect me to act. I have been a member of special ops teams in the military with visits to 8 countries with two tours of combat and I know what stereotype I got from those endeavors.
I am a firefighter and first responder. I have worked as a part time and then reserve deputy and I am sure I get some stereotype from those occupations.
I am a nurse (male) and oddly enough over twenty years I have gotten very little “Profiling” from that; Though after all those years about 3 months ago; my wife brought one of our grandchildren to the emergency room to visit. I went out in the waiting room to play with him for a few. As my wife was leaving the ER she heard one gentleman family member told another, “Wow that kid is going to be hurt when he grows up and finds his grandfather was a man nurse.”
Angie called me on her cell phone and told me what was said. Usually I let stuff roll off my back but it was a more stressful night than usual and I had to be a little sarcastic.
I quickly wrote a note on a piece of paper and handed to the one visitor my wife described as saying those things.
I didn’t look back to see their expressions but our ER clerk asked what I wrote because they quickly left the ER. I laughed and said I simply put, “By age 20 I had served in combat for 2 years, I had blown up a bridge, my team blew a “fishing boat” out of the water because it really wasn’t a fishing boat and I took out things I was supposed to take out. After that I felt I no longer had to prove I was a male anymore and could be anything I wanted for a career.”
I guess stereotypes are what other people see us as. I see myself as a sensitive guy who still cries at the loss of a child in the ER. I will bust the door down to enter a house on fire. I have even pulled a drunk through the driver’s side window when he tried to resist. I love my grandkids. He is only 13 months and has been to two Ole Miss home games. I am a patient teacher for younger fireman. I have preached to a congregation before and most of all I am a simple man who really loves God.
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RE: Double standard - 10/20/2008 6:56:07 AM
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To make the shows run, they have to rely on stereotype. It is one thing to see stereotype in sitcoms and even dramas. It is another thing to see stereotyping in our neighborhoods. Thanks, firefighter, for showing us how complex real life men are.
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RE: Double standard - 10/20/2008 5:43:11 PM
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LovebirdsFlying
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Both of my parents have been health care workers, and truck drivers.
And I'm proud to be marrying a bus driver, whose cousin (male) happens to be an ER nurse.
No stereotypes here. :)
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