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Nature of Hell
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| Hell is a place of eternal unspeakable pain and suffering. |
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RE: Nature of Hell - 10/2/2008 1:10:22 PM
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theredhog
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Mr Fribbles,
Being fined or having your license taken away is a far cry from spening eternity being tortured.
We are responsible for how we use our liberty with alcohol.
As Christians we are responsible for what we do with the knowledge we have concerning Christ and His plan for us. But, if we find ourselves being irresponsible, we are punished accordingly, not burned forever.
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RE: Nature of Hell - 10/2/2008 1:14:05 PM
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Jhud
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What if the judge was responsible for our having to ability to do wrong in the first place? I think we just have to say that because we don't know anything else to say to explain the horrible way we see God's system concening humanity.. If we are so incapable of understanding God's ways why in the world would He invite us to come and "reason" with Him?
What is really NOT understandable is what WE think about God's justice system. But it IS understandable why we think that seeing how most of us were raised to believe it...people usually believe the way they were taught.....most not straying too far from it or ever questioning it. God is just. That is why He why He died to take away our sin. I didn't ask to be saddled with Adam's sin...did you? I didn't ask to be created...did you?
Sounds a bit like the teenager who says defiantly to the parent, "I didn't ask to be born into this family, why do I have to follow your rules?"
To which a more sarcastic parent might rightly answer, "I didn't ask to have a rebellious teenager for a child!".
The question comes down to whether or not a it is inherently possible for a morally free people to exist apart from the possibility that in their moral freedom they might choose to do what is wrong and so suffer the consequences, which in this case is an eternal separation from their maker. God cannot do things that are inherently impossible, but He can do all things that are possible, and I believe for numerous reasons that He caused all men to live in exactly the right place and time whereby they might come to know Him.
In short, for those whom it was possible, He maximized their ability to choose rightly. For those who chose not to believe in Him, no circumstance would have changed that choice - but the existence of such people itself maximized the liklihood that those who would choose rightly would do so, so even the existence of the wicked ultimately serves good purpose.
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RE: Nature of Hell - 10/2/2008 1:21:38 PM
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theredhog
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Jack,
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and I believe for numerous reasons that He caused all men to live in exactly the right place and time whereby they might come to know Him.
According to Acts 17, Paul believed that too.
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RE: Nature of Hell - 10/2/2008 3:07:11 PM
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theredhog
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jhud,
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"I didn't ask to have a rebellious teenager for a child!".
But, basically, God did... The Lamb was slain before the foundation of the world... But, it was for a purpose the way I see it. 
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RE: Nature of Hell - 10/2/2008 7:09:24 PM
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MrFribbles
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Being fined or having your license taken away is a far cry from spening eternity being tortured.
My comparison was not between the severity in judgments. My comparison was between the justice of one, and the accused injustice of another.
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We are responsible for how we use our liberty with alcohol.
Just as we are responsible for the God-given liberty to choose to sin.
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As Christians we are responsible for what we do with the knowledge we have concerning Christ and His plan for us. But, if we find ourselves being irresponsible, we are punished accordingly, not burned forever.
The emphasis being on "As Christians," you're right, we're not burned forever, because Christ's righteousness has taken away the guilt for our sin. But if someone does not accept His righteousness, then there is no forgiveness of sins.
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RE: Nature of Hell - 10/2/2008 11:01:31 PM
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gr8tful1
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ORIGINAL: MrFribbles
And yet both continue to happen.
People continue to win the lottery also and get struck by lighting also.
I don't think of people in say Muslim countries converting to Christianity being a random thing like a lottery win or a lightening strike. I think that those people take their decision to convert very seriously and don't enter into it lightly because in many countries where Christianity is a minority faith it's followers face great risk of persecution. Its not like here in the U.S. where rights are more protected.
I have great admiration for fellow Christians in those countries. Their faith is tested daily.
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RE: Nature of Hell - 10/3/2008 10:22:23 AM
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theredhog
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But if someone does not accept His righteousness, then there is no forgiveness of sins.
Hummm. that probably requires an answer that I am not qualified to make. I don't really know when "sins" are forgiven per se. I do believe though that "the" sin that seperated us from God was taken away on the cross for all of humanity. What we do with that knowledge, if we have it, determines how much it frees us in this life.
If we don't know that we could go through life striving to please God when He was pleased already with the sacrifice made by Christ. Living under a heavy yoke that is not necessary nor profitable for anyone else as far as advancing the kingdom. IF we don't know it, then I suppose I would assume we are not called at that particular time to be a part of the kingdom.....just thinking out loud( on the keyboard) mostly...
I do believe Jesus was the Lamb of God that took away the sin of the world. ...the propitiation for the sins of the whole world not just the believers... Savior of all men..especially them that believe..
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RE: Nature of Hell - 10/3/2008 10:34:00 AM
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MrFribbles
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I do believe Jesus was the Lamb of God that took away the sin of the world. ...the propitiation for the sins of the whole world not just the believers... Savior of all men..especially them that believe..
Then why did Christ Himself speak of a separation, between eternal life and eternal judgment, between those that believe and those that do not?
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You've made a holy fool of me,
And I've thanked you ever since.
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