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RE: Conservative columnist calls for Palin to step down - 9/29/2008 11:38:34 PM
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Isaiah29
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Maybe Palin can't spend weeks in Europe but it would have been a plus if she could have said that she visited our closest neighbors and took her children to see museam while she was there.
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ROTFLMAO!!!
Stop it! Your absolutely killing me! You mean Palin should take a two week whirl wind tour like Obama so she can tout her foreign policy experience. LOL!!! That is too, too rich! Maybe she can stop in Germany to address 200,000 bratwurst fed, beer swilling Germans while she's at it.
Oh wait a minute! She did stop in Germany to visit the wounded troops at Ramstein Air base on her way back from Kuwait. Too bad Obama couldn't make the trip to visit with wounded soldiers while he was in Germany, too busy shopping and working out at the gym I suppose. Or maybe being "citizen of the world" is just too tiring. Besides, he couldn't bring his campaign staff along with him for a photo op at the hospital. So what point would it have served since he couldn't get any publicity? I mean, other than comfort the wounded soldiers?
I just love it when people with no experience at all criticize Governor Palin for her supposed lack of experience. I think pseudo conservative columnists such as Peggy Noonan and Katheleen Parker should be the ones considering stepping down, not Palin. Obviously they have been in the saddle for far too long. Maybe it's time they got off their high horses and joined the rest of us in the real world.
And the rest of you Obamabot tools who don't think Gov. Palin is qualified to be Vice-President of the United States, get back to me when you can field a candidate qualified to be President of the United States (all 57 of them), because Senator Barack Obama has less executive experience or real world experience than Governor Sarah Palin, and he is at the top of the Democratic ticket, whereas she is at the bottom of the Republican ticket.
Your right, experience matters. And that is something Obama has in short supply, unless you call reading other people's speeches off of a teleprompter, experience! God forbid the teleprompter should ever go down, then he truly does become incoherent. Uh...Uh...Um...Give me a break, in fact, give us all a break!
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RE: Conservative columnist calls for Palin to step down - 9/30/2008 12:34:32 AM
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"The Presidency is not something that lends itself to on the job training." - Joe Biden
"Rhetoric is not enough. High falutin (?) language is not enough' - John Edwards
"There is no time for speeches and on the job training." - Hilary Clinton
"Senator McCain will bring a lifetime of experience...Senator Obama will bring a speech that he gave in 2002." - Hilary Clinton
"When's the last time we elected a President based on one year of service..." - Bill Clinton
"...eloquence is no substitute for a record..." - Joe Lieberman
These people were not talking about Governor Palin, they were talking about BO. The last Democratic President, the last two Democratic VP nominees, liberal feminist icon and former first lady are all on the record saying that BO is unprepared, inexperienced and unqualified.
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RE: Conservative columnist calls for Palin to step down - 9/30/2008 1:10:10 AM
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These people were not talking about Governor Palin, they were talking about BO. The last Democratic President, the last two Democratic VP nominees, liberal feminist icon and former first lady are all on the record saying that BO is unprepared, inexperienced and unqualified.
Absolutely. And the only reason some of them support Barackstar now is due to party loyalty, not the people.
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RE: Conservative columnist calls for Palin to step down - 9/30/2008 1:13:46 AM
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These people were not talking about Governor Palin, they were talking about BO. The last Democratic President, the last two Democratic VP nominees, liberal feminist icon and former first lady are all on the record saying that BO is unprepared, inexperienced and unqualified.
Absolutely. And the only reason some of them support Barackstar now is due to party loyalty, not the people.
Again, time would be better spent talking up your own candidate than tearing down the other party's. If your ticket is so great, explain it in independent terms and not as it relates to the opposing ticket. Do you measure yourself against other people, or do you measure yourself by what you know you are capable of? Remove Obama from the equation and tell us how awesome, glorious and worthy your candidate is.
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RE: Conservative columnist calls for Palin to step down - 9/30/2008 1:17:36 AM
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"The Presidency is not something that lends itself to on the job training." - Joe Biden
"Rhetoric is not enough. High falutin (?) language is not enough' - John Edwards
"There is no time for speeches and on the job training." - Hilary Clinton
"Senator McCain will bring a lifetime of experience...Senator Obama will bring a speech that he gave in 2002." - Hilary Clinton
"When's the last time we elected a President based on one year of service..." - Bill Clinton
"...eloquence is no substitute for a record..." - Joe Lieberman
These people were not talking about Governor Palin, they were talking about BO. The last Democratic President, the last two Democratic VP nominees, liberal feminist icon and former first lady are all on the record saying that BO is unprepared, inexperienced and unqualified.
I organized a community!
Lol at "There is no time for speeches..." I'm quite sure this was used during a speech of some sort. And again, you have to realize that Democrats are thinking people too. Give us the respect we deserve. To try and force us to be swayed by the opinions of others is condescending. As an aside, GWB said some awful things about John McCain, but is that stopping you from voting for him? A simple yes or no will do. I don't want a "yes" followed by an Obama smear. Your candidate needs to be able to stand on his own without having to reach out and refer negatively to his opposition.
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RE: Conservative columnist calls for Palin to step down - 9/30/2008 1:27:13 AM
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Again, time would be better spent talking up your own candidate than tearing down the other party's. If your ticket is so great, explain it in independent terms and not as it relates to the opposing ticket. Do you measure yourself against other people, or do you measure yourself by what you know you are capable of? Remove Obama from the equation and tell us how awesome, glorious and worthy your candidate is.
My  candidate is the party who is in office now. He wants to give 300 billion more dollars to companies, reduce the capitol gains tax, privitize social security and bomb Iran. Today before the vote on the bailout he took CREDIT for the plan passing. OOPS. He believes the WAR started in 2007 with the surge. He is also repsonsible for the deregulation that got us into this bailout mess. He has voted over a dozen times agaisnt minimum wage, but supports Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy.
Even though he said he thought it irresponsible to keep giving the rich are money.
He said a few days before the fallout on Wall Street that the economy is fundamentally strong. OOPS again.
He is 72. He is a lifelong Republican.
Has been a Senator for 28 yrs. Does that qualify for executive experience?
A war hero.
He owns 7, 12 ?houses, married 2 x's.
He picked a very strong woman to run on the ticket.
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RE: Conservative columnist calls for Palin to step down - 9/30/2008 1:29:36 AM
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jadab
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Again, time would be better spent talking up your own candidate than tearing down the other party's. If your ticket is so great, explain it in independent terms and not as it relates to the opposing ticket. Do you measure yourself against other people, or do you measure yourself by what you know you are capable of? Remove Obama from the equation and tell us how awesome, glorious and worthy your candidate is.
My candidate is the party who is in office now. He wants to give 300 billion more dollars to companies, reduce the capitol gains tax, privitize social security and bomb Iran. Today before the vote on the bailout he took CREDIT for the plan passing. OOPS. He believes the WAR started in 2007 with the surge. He is also repsonsible for the deregulation that got us into this bailout mess. He has voted over a dozen times agaisnt minimum wage, but supports Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy.
Even though he said he thought it irresponsible to keep giving the rich are money.
He said a few days before the fallout on Wall Street that the economy is fundamentally strong. OOPS again.
He is 72. He is a lifelong Republican.
Has been a Senator for 28 yrs. Does that qualify for executive experience?
A war hero.
He owns 7, 12 ?houses, married 2 x's.
He picked a very strong woman to run on the ticket.
Lol. I see your point. You might need to throw in some Obama distractions to bolster support for that guy!
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RE: Conservative columnist calls for Palin to step down - 9/30/2008 12:45:02 PM
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ljmac
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ORIGINAL: jadab
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ORIGINAL: ljmac
"The Presidency is not something that lends itself to on the job training." - Joe Biden
"Rhetoric is not enough. High falutin (?) language is not enough' - John Edwards
"There is no time for speeches and on the job training." - Hilary Clinton
"Senator McCain will bring a lifetime of experience...Senator Obama will bring a speech that he gave in 2002." - Hilary Clinton
"When's the last time we elected a President based on one year of service..." - Bill Clinton
"...eloquence is no substitute for a record..." - Joe Lieberman
These people were not talking about Governor Palin, they were talking about BO. The last Democratic President, the last two Democratic VP nominees, liberal feminist icon and former first lady are all on the record saying that BO is unprepared, inexperienced and unqualified.
I organized a community!
Lol at "There is no time for speeches..." I'm quite sure this was used during a speech of some sort. And again, you have to realize that Democrats are thinking people too. Give us the respect we deserve. To try and force us to be swayed by the opinions of others is condescending. As an aside, GWB said some awful things about John McCain, but is that stopping you from voting for him? A simple yes or no will do. I don't want a "yes" followed by an Obama smear. Your candidate needs to be able to stand on his own without having to reach out and refer negatively to his opposition.
W and McCain disagreed on matters, but W never said that McCain didn't even have the minimum experience to be President, something lots of prominent Democrats have said about BO.
I hate to comtemplate that Democrats are thinking people, but you may be right. If one can knowingly and fully informed advocate the slaughter of 50 million innocent human beings, then that makes them move evil than I have even imagined.
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RE: Conservative columnist calls for Palin to step down - 9/30/2008 11:02:27 PM
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Onecontent
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ORIGINAL: Isaiah29
Maybe Palin can't spend weeks in Europe but it would have been a plus if she could have said that she visited our closest neighbors and took her children to see museam while she was there.
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ROTFLMAO!!!
Stop it! Your absolutely killing me! You mean Palin should take a two week whirl wind tour like Obama so she can tout her foreign policy experience. LOL!!! That is too, too rich! Maybe she can stop in Germany to address 200,000 bratwurst fed, beer swilling Germans while she's at it.
Oh wait a minute! She did stop in Germany to visit the wounded troops at Ramstein Air base on her way back from Kuwait. Too bad Obama couldn't make the trip to visit with wounded soldiers while he was in Germany, too busy shopping and working out at the gym I suppose. Or maybe being "citizen of the world" is just too tiring. Besides, he couldn't bring his campaign staff along with him for a photo op at the hospital. So what point would it have served since he couldn't get any publicity? I mean, other than comfort the wounded soldiers?
I just love it when people with no experience at all criticize Governor Palin for her supposed lack of experience. I think pseudo conservative columnists such as Peggy Noonan and Katheleen Parker should be the ones considering stepping down, not Palin. Obviously they have been in the saddle for far too long. Maybe it's time they got off their high horses and joined the rest of us in the real world.
And the rest of you Obamabot tools who don't think Gov. Palin is qualified to be Vice-President of the United States, get back to me when you can field a candidate qualified to be President of the United States (all 57 of them), because Senator Barack Obama has less executive experience or real world experience than Governor Sarah Palin, and he is at the top of the Democratic ticket, whereas she is at the bottom of the Republican ticket.
Your right, experience matters. And that is something Obama has in short supply, unless you call reading other people's speeches off of a teleprompter, experience! God forbid the teleprompter should ever go down, then he truly does become incoherent. Uh...Uh...Um...Give me a break, in fact, give us all a break!
In Christ,
Ariel
How did Isaiah29 get credited with what I wrote?
Actually I was not refering to Palin's foreign policy experience when I wrote the above. I was wishing that Palin could have presented evidence that she has even a wee interest in life, cultures, and worldviews outside the American experience. I really do not care if Palin has not met any European heads of state: I would have appreciated it if Palin had shot the breeze with a bartender in Mexico or the Caribbean.
Obama has lived outside the US and has written about how that impacted his worldview. He has had some contact with his relatives in Africa. He probably has a better understanding of third world nations than most people.
But of course Europe is the only place outside the US that matters. Countries filled with non-white poor people don't count even if they are daily sending hundreds of illegal aliens into the US.
I wish Palin would have been with me on my last vacation and taken the same excursions from the cruise ship. As we drove to have our fun in the Caribbean, she would have seen from the van windows shanties across the road from luxury resorts. And the resorts do NOT hire the people from across the road! She could have felt the air of desperation in Mexico. People in both cities (We only spent a few hours on shore) desperate to sell something to a tourist. Palin would have met staff on the cruise ship who were supporting their extended families with their wages and who only saw their families two months out of the year.
And we wonder why so many people are entering our country illegally?
Mine is not extensive experience outside the country but I wish Palin had it. When she finally met the heads of state of our nearest neighbors she could at least say how much she enjoyed her last brief visit.
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RE: Conservative columnist calls for Palin to step down - 9/30/2008 11:20:00 PM
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zamdad
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How did Isaiah29 get credited with what I wrote?
Perhaps Joe Biden posted it?
The fact of the matter, Onecontent, seems to be that you have no idea what Palin's travels outside the State of Alaska or the US are. And, in our CNN, gotta have it all and gotta have it now world, you just can't wait to get to the bottom of the matter.
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RE: Conservative columnist calls for Palin to step down - 10/1/2008 9:33:43 PM
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Isaiah29
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How did Isaiah29 get credited with what I wrote?
Actually I was not refering to Palin's foreign policy experience when I wrote the above. I was wishing that Palin could have presented evidence that she has even a wee interest in life, cultures, and worldviews outside the American experience. I really do not care if Palin has not met any European heads of state: I would have appreciated it if Palin had shot the breeze with a bartender in Mexico or the Caribbean.
Obama has lived outside the US and has written about how that impacted his worldview. He has had some contact with his relatives in Africa. He probably has a better understanding of third world nations than most people.
But of course Europe is the only place outside the US that matters. Countries filled with non-white poor people don't count even if they are daily sending hundreds of illegal aliens into the US.
I wish Palin would have been with me on my last vacation and taken the same excursions from the cruise ship. As we drove to have our fun in the Caribbean, she would have seen from the van windows shanties across the road from luxury resorts. And the resorts do NOT hire the people from across the road! She could have felt the air of desperation in Mexico. People in both cities (We only spent a few hours on shore) desperate to sell something to a tourist. Palin would have met staff on the cruise ship who were supporting their extended families with their wages and who only saw their families two months out of the year.
And we wonder why so many people are entering our country illegally?
Mine is not extensive experience outside the country but I wish Palin had it. When she finally met the heads of state of our nearest neighbors she could at least say how much she enjoyed her last brief visit.
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Greetings OneContent.
To begin with: you may rest assured. I only accept credit for what I say and do, and I neither need to, nor desire to take credit for anyone else's accomplishments. That is between them and God, even as I must account to the Lord for my own words and actions, not someone else's.
You say you wish Gov. Palin could have accompanied you on your vacation to the Carribean; that she could have benefitted from seeing the plight of the poor during your excursions from the cruise ship you were on. "As we drove to have our fun in the Caribbean, she would have seen from the van windows shanties across the road from luxury resorts".
Pardon me, but that seems like one of the most elitist, consdescending things I have ever heard, that you could understand the plight of the poor by having witnessed it first hand during your brief excursions off a luxury cruise ship. And you wish Palin had been there to see it with you? Do you not yourself see the disconnect in that statement? Is that what Jesus would have done? Ride past the "shanties" on his way to the cruise ship, and then proclaim how desperate those poor people seemed to be?
I hope and pray Palin had something better to do with her time, while raising five children in Alaska, which has one of the most brutal climates on earth, managing a commercial fishing business, catching her own fish, killing her own food, attending Church, joining the PTA, running a small town, running a large state, exposing corruption, negotiating a billion dollar pipeline deal, and renegotiating the oil and gas contracts with some of the world's largest corporations while returning the added revenue to the people of Alaska to the tune of $1200.00 for every single resident of the state. So she actually has helped the poor of her state in a real and meaningful way, by giving them money!
But I digress
I hope that your seeing the poor of the world during your vacation had a powerful impact on you. I pray that it made you a better person, more in tune to the misery and poverty of others. I also pray that you go that extra mile, help a brother or sister in need. God knows there is plenty of need out there, but the best way to move people out of poverty is to introduce them to Jesus Christ, and the best way to introduce them to Jesus Christ is to get off the cruise ship, get out of the van and live among them. Then they can accept you as a genuine, caring Christian; not just a tourist on vacation come to gawk at their povery. This was the great lesson of Mother Theresa, and the great example she set with her life. It was not enough to call the world's attention to the needs of the poor. To share Christ with them requires living with them and loving them as Jesus would.
So I don't know if cruise ships and weekend excursions is the best way to administer to the needs of the poor. But like I say, I degress. Simply because Barack Obama lived in Indonesia until he was ten, does not make him an expert on foreign policy or more attentive to its "nuances" any more than my being born in the Congo makes me an authority on the geo-political dynamics of the African sub-continent. We don't normally place much too much stock in the worldly perspectives of ten year olds. And other than three two week vacations overseas, Obama doesn't have a shred of foreign policy experience.
He has never negotiated with a foreign government, as Gov. Palin has with Canada; nor has he commanded a military, as Gov. Palin has as the Commander in Chief of the Alaskan National Guard, nor does he have a vested interest in the well being of our soldiers, as Gov. Palin does because of her oldest son Track's tour of duty in the Army. The hockey mom is still there to cheer on her son's team; the difference being that now his team is a whole lot bigger!
It is not what you say, but what you do that matters. It is easy to give flowery speeches and elegant soliloquies. See what a lovely speech I have written with my own hand? And does that make me qualified to be Commander in Chief? Hardly, I raise my hat and bow my head to the brave, moose hunting, corruption busting, hockey mom from the great state of Alaska. And if I ever manage to accomplish half of what she done with her short life, then I shall consider myself a happy and successful man, (minus giving birth to five children, that is!)
In Christ,
Ariel
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RE: Conservative columnist calls for Palin to step down - 10/1/2008 11:50:31 PM
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Onecontent
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Pardon me, but that seems like one of the most elitist, consdescending things I have ever heard, that you could understand the plight of the poor by having witnessed it first hand during your brief excursions off a luxury cruise ship. And you wish Palin had been there to see it with you? Do you not yourself see the disconnect in that statement? Is that what Jesus would have done? Ride past the "shanties" on his way to the cruise ship, and then proclaim how desperate those poor people seemed to be?
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So I don't know if cruise ships and weekend excursions is the best way to administer to the needs of the poor
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It is not what you say, but what you do that matters.
Reality check: I was only on the island for five hours. There was nothing I could to help them. The experience helped me to better understand why I know so many illegal aliens personally.
As for being elitist and condescending.... You have no idea about my daily interactions with people poorer than myself. You do not know how I have materially helped immigrants legal and otherwise . I have put clothing on people's backs, shoes on their children's feet, and helped bury their dead. I saw my friends' need and did the little I could to meet it. Driving through a friend's homeland for a few hours helped me to better understand the stories she had shared with me.
My last short term mission was in the early 1990s. We were in Asia working in orphanages evangelizing and helping the children practice their English. Fluency in English would help them obtain better jobs in the future. God put me in the only special needs school in that country in the same week that baffling new child was enrolled. I was able get them the information they needed in order to care for the child.
The experience I gained on that trip helps me to better work with the Asian immigrants I encounter on my job.
Three years ago I was supposed to go to Haiti on a short term missions trip where I could have used my professional skills. I signed up for my union’s free classes in basic Creole and Haitian culture. Unfortunately the trip fell through. It was not God's will.
I partially paid for a trip to Zimbabwe but changed churches so I was unable to go.
Neither Palin ot Obama have foreign policy experience though Obama does have a degree in international relations. I am not thinking about their expertise in foreign relations. I am not concerned with their development experience. I do wonder about their credibility outside the US since we have to share this planet.
Obama will have a little, note a little , more credibility outside the US because he has been outside our shores. I sincerely wish Palin could or would at least say she had taken a vacation outside of the US.
Oh by the way, I am not worried about you taking credit for anything I posted. If anything, I do not want you to be held accountable for something I posted.
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