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Presidential Debate Round #1
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 1:01:45 AM
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Jenny-Fair
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If I were selfish, I'd vote Obama.
You would have to be selfish and nearsighted. Expanding early childhood ed sounds nice until you realize that's YOUR 2 year old that you have to send to school because after it becomes widely available then they will want it universal. Healthcare for everyone sounds nice until YOUR husband loses his job because his company's taxes are too high and minimum wage is too high for them to keep all their employees.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 1:10:35 AM
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ekserekseez
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McCain came off, as usual, as crotchety, grumpy, and bitter. Obama came off, as usual, as slick.
McCain needs to get cracking if he wants this one! Talk about slacking off. Next time he'd better do his homework.
So neither of them has said one thing to convince me to vote for them. Ron Paul and Bob Barr keep looking like better and better choices.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 1:23:40 AM
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Jenny-Fair
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McCain came off, as usual, as crotchety, grumpy, and bitter
How odd. I didn't get that at all. I found him warm, bright and with a positive outlook.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 1:29:55 AM
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ekserekseez
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I dunno, I never thought that stumbling, jaw-clenching, head-ducking crankiness was "warm" or "positive." I guess we see what we see.
He really needs to articulate better. Now he's just starting to sound like Fred Thompson, that ball of fire and enthusiasm.
And the whole health care thing, for both McCain and Obama. Please, that's so old, like gun control.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 1:48:01 AM
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ekserekseez
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Healthcare for everyone sounds nice until YOUR husband loses his job because his company's taxes are too high and minimum wage is too high for them to keep all their employees.
If my husband (I don't have one; I'm straight and not the marrying type; this is theoretical) lost his job because his company's taxes and wages were too high for them to keep all their employees, I'd be glad. This might be just the boost that my theoretical husband needed to find a better job. Sounds from this scenario that he's earning close to the minimum wage himself, and that's not good for a family man.
Both McCain and Obama will now have to give up some of their key promises: health care for Obama, and tax cuts for McCain. If they don't, how will they pay for the bailout?
Of course, the real solution would be not to pay for the bailout at all, since we're not supposed to be socialists. But both candidates are.
Just something you WON'T hear at the debates, over the sounds of Dems pontificating and RINOs whining.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 2:36:27 AM
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ORIGINAL: todd_t
I think that both McCain and Palin's cheap fearmongering over Iran committing a "second holocaust" and wiping Israel out is lame ploy, especially considering (as relady noted) that Israel is fully capable of taking care of itself.
Due in large part to a 30 billion dollars in Military aid over the next decade from the United States... Not to mention the billions in aid prior...
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 7:57:01 AM
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TheosCentric
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The debate was supposed to be all about foreign affairs, but they tacked the economy on because of the current "crisis."
Overall, I found the debate rather boring.
I found it interesting that Obama would not cut spending based on the economic crisis, but McCain would. Shows a huge difference in what is important.
As far as Iran goes, it irked me that both candidates kept saying that Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons when there is no proof that they are.
That being said, Obama would do nothing to help me and my family. His economic policies are pure unadulterated socialism. He wants the government to educate my children from birth. He wants the government to tell me what's best for my health. To all that, I say, "No Thank You."
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 8:05:04 AM
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csl7037
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I wasn't wow'ed by McCain overall. I was annoyed beyond belief at McCain! I don't remember the lines that really got me talking back to the TV (they were early on). Truly I thought it was pretty unremarkable as a whole. Nothing earth shattering.
I was glad McCain seemed to get a little fiesty at the end. I wished he'd made the point that Iran would like not only to wipe out Israel but us as well - along with Chavez, and the loon in charge of N. Korea. I was glad he made the point, in so many words, that Obama couldn't sit down with Ahmadenajad (I don't care how to spell it enough to look it up) because he's a nutjob. I wish, when he was making the point that talks would only serve to legitimize him and give him great PR material that this is exactly what's been happening when people keep inviting him to this country to let him spout his insanity - the UN, Columbia University, etc. It makes me nuts! Why is that man even allowed to cross into this country??
I don't really think these debates are going to matter much. They're just saying more of the same at this point. We've heard it all before. I don't see much to change most people's minds, at least not in their arguments. I really fear that last week's economic nightmare has done McCain in. We all know that the vast majority of Americans just don't get it. People don't have enough sense to look at this crisis for what it is, they only know they want it to get better and they're going to fall for the "change" line. We're in deep trouble, people.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 8:16:56 AM
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Consecrated2God
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I found it interesting that Obama would not cut spending based on the economic crisis, but McCain would. Shows a huge difference in what is important.
Yeah, I thought that was pretty troublesome. When finances are tight, you just don't go out and buy everything you want.
I think McCain did a good job of pointing out Obama's inexperience, and why that matters. He knows how to do the things he's wanting to do.
I thought Obama sounded like he was trying to run against Bush, not McCain. McCain and Bush are not the same people. I think McCain repects and loves the President, but I don't think they share all the same ideas. McCain makes his decisions on what he thinks is right, not on how it will make him look or how his party will think of him.
Overall, Obama was boring and dry. McCain told stories and was interesting.
The only thing I felt McCain should have done is not smiled so much when Obama was speaking. I thought it looked smug. Obama didn't fare any better with his facial expressions, though. He looked like he was shooting daggars half the time.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 9:11:47 AM
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TMeeks
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Once again, I find the camera angles used by the networks to be troubling. Notice that after the debates some were talking about how McCain didn't look at Obama?
Actually, he did. But, the cameras were widely spaced to the right and the left so that the candidates looked as if they were looking away from each other when, in fact, they were looking at the moderator. Our brains don't like to see two side by side people looking away from each other and it sub-sconsciously affects our view of the people. It interprets it as negative body language.
But, sometimes, they would put the head shots up in reversed position that made it look like the candidates WERE facing each other. Interestingly, it appeared to me that they only did this when Obama was talking or reacting strongly. I could be wrong. But, it's something to look for when you re-watch the debates.
I have no idea why the cameras were placed in those positions, except that because they knew the candidates could talk directly to each other, they wanted to be shooting directly into their faces as they looked directly to each other. It was set up more like a two person interview than a debate format.
At least the lighting was even and fairly distributed so that didn't seem to be an intruding factor.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 9:19:56 AM
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TMeeks
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This is relatively important to factor into the debate.
McCain had spent most of his time in Washington working on the issues of the distressed lending industry. He had little or no 'practice time'. And, on top of that had put in some seriously long work hours prior to flying to the debate.
Obama had spent the last few days practicing. He left Washington right after the meeting with the President. He had, one can assume, much more preparation time and you could tell this by the strained zingers that he threw in from time to time. The little barbs are the kind of thing that you practice over and over and the fact that he felt the need to use them even at inappropriate times indicates he wanted to use everything he'd worked hard to perfect in the practices.
When you factor in the differences in preparation, Obama didn't know anyone's socks off. And, McCain worked strictly from his experiences.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 9:32:43 AM
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LivingParadox
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I noticed the camera angles too.
As for the debate, I thought both candidates did well in the debate although I feel McCain showed a little more of his credentials. If you were leaning for one canadiate or the other you were still leaning towards your canadiate by the end of the debate. No knockout punches.
...and as for as debates go they are more about showing another sides weaknesses, that didn't happen. I still believe McCain is the stronger leader with solid experience between the canadiates. I've never said Obama is not smart, just VERY off in his political philosophy.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 9:42:43 AM
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GregandJenny
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I don't really think these debates are going to matter much. They're just saying more of the same at this point. We've heard it all before. I don't see much to change most people's minds, at least not in their arguments. I really fear that last week's economic nightmare has done McCain in. We all know that the vast majority of Americans just don't get it. People don't have enough sense to look at this crisis for what it is, they only know they want it to get better and they're going to fall for the "change" line. We're in deep trouble, people.
Very well said. This is why Obama is not really saying or doing anything at this point. He has nothing to prove to the average American. The definition of change in politics is When the republicans mess up go to the democrats and when the democrats mess up turn to the republicans. 
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 10:11:10 AM
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GregandJenny
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Truth hurts, however we have to still remember no matter what happens God is still in control of this, EVEN if Obama wins God is still in control, rest assured that He will take care of us!
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 10:30:49 AM
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Dubya
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On the issue of foreign policy, Obama's naivete and his propensity to lie and spin his past statements was clearly exposed.
At one point McCain said: quote:
I'm not prepared at this time to cut off aid to Pakistan. So I'm not prepared to threaten it, as Senator Obama apparently wants to do, as he has said that he would announce military strikes into Pakistan.
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Nobody talked about attacking Pakistan. Here's what I said.
And if John wants to disagree with this, he can let me know, that, if the United States has Al Qaida, bin Laden, top-level lieutenants in our sights, and Pakistan is unable or unwilling to act, then we should take them out.
Tha fact is, that Obama has threatened an ally that US troops would cross their borders with military strikes. He even said so over a year ago. LINK.
McCain showed his experience in foreign affairs by acknowledging that we need the support of the people of Pakistan. Obama does not get it. He would launch military strikes into Pakistan.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 10:33:00 AM
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GregandJenny
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McCain showed his experience in foreign affairs by acknowledging that we need the support of the people of Pakistan. Obama does not get it. He would launch military strikes into Pakistan.
I know scary huh. Do you think people (common people) are paying attention to anything other than the crisis in economics right now?
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 10:35:42 AM
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I like the crybaby defense of McCain's rotten performance that "he didn't have enough time to practice." What is this, a mid-term exam?
McCain has been "practicing" running for president for EIGHT YEARS! If he hasn't got it right yet, I doubt a little cramming at the last minute will help.
True conservatives and Republicans are supposed to step up to the plate and admit error. Instead, most have joined the RINO herd, and use liberal, socialist excuses: "waah, give me a thumb to suck, my camera angle was bad!"
No wonder people are bailing on the GOP. Even Thompson is starting to look good.
The first debate makes it clear that, for TRUE conservatives rather than RINO socialists, the choice is not McCain v Obama. The choice is Paul v Barr.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 10:38:43 AM
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...I only saw the last third of the debate (...discussion re Iraq, Russia, Korea etc)
I thought both candidates did well...and are well versed in foreign affairs.
Obama demonstrated his knowledge and mastery of key issues to our current security situation - namely nuclear arms proliferation (loose nukes) and engaging Al Qaeda globally with an emphasis on Afghanistan.
McCain tied in his experience by referring to historical context on a number of occasions (Lebanon, Afghanistan). He also ended the debate very well.
For all of McCain's experience though, I am disappointed that his Iraq position still not recognize the limits of military power. The point is not whether the military portion of the surge worked...it has -- rather success (or "victory") lies with the Iraqi's themselves. No matter how long our troops stay in Iraq, the peace will not be won unless the Iraqis want it...
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 10:54:32 AM
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McCain showed his experience in foreign affairs by acknowledging that we need the support of the people of Pakistan. Obama does not get it. He would launch military strikes into Pakistan.
We're doing that right now with Bush in office.
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Well I would have to overdose on your socialist kool-aide before I would ever support Obama.
So people who support Obama's candidacy are socialist-leaning zombies?
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 10:58:48 AM
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Obama did best, though I think McBush did ok. And if I have to hear his war story one more time I think I'm gonna barf. I think he's milked that for all it's worth. Looking forward to the VP debates.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 11:00:26 AM
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ekserekseez
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Yeah, the war stories have gotta go. Went to the battle, got caught, sent the post card, bought the t-shirt. Over and done.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 11:00:43 AM
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think McBush did ok.
McBush, c'mon Deb my independent friend. A little low don't ya think?
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