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Presidential Debate Round #1
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 11:03:27 AM
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ekserekseez
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Examples of McCain's socialism:
Support for FannieMae, FreddieMac, the current bailout, and other theft of tax money to pay for the financial mistakes of idiots.
That's a good start.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 11:04:50 AM
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stampinlady
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think McBush did ok.
McBush, c'mon Deb my independent friend. A little low don't ya think?
Someone here used that name and thought it was funny. I do think he's a lot like Bush, though. All I see is war, war and more war.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 11:12:00 AM
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adelphi_sky
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I liked the debate, thought it was pretty informative. Much more exciting than sitting through a half hour each of the AARP interviews. LOL!
I think Obama is better for me and my family, but I think McCain is better for the country as a whole and the world. If I were selfish, I'd vote Obama.
Huh? Is your family not part of the country and the world? If you think Obama is better for you and your family, does that not say he's better for other families in this country as well? I think Obama was the one that said he would do anything to protect this country as well as raise our level of respect in the world. That statement tells me you would never have voted for Obama anyway.
As far as the debate is concerned, I agree that they both did well. I think those who have not been following the campain as closely as we have were informed well on each candidate's positions. It was boring for us because we've so intimately involved in the campaigns that we create posts on every statement each candidate makes. lol
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 11:12:51 AM
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ekserekseez
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I dare because it's the truth, and they haven't made speaking it illegal yet.
And by the way, I served in the military for several years myself, including in combat.
So, yes, I dare. I dare be an American speaking for freedom. And I dare not to be a socialist, RINO, fake conservative.
I dare you to try the same.
There was a time when it was a virtue in this nation to be daring! Why are we afraid now? "It's not PC to say mean things about John because he got caught 40 years ago."
The debate showed that we are facing either quick socialism or slow socialism with these two.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 11:14:58 AM
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ekserekseez
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He is on the record as against the specific terms of this bailout. He still favors stealing untold billions of dollars of tax money rather than let everything crash and the free market sort it out, the was a real conservative would.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 11:19:57 AM
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Psalms274
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. He still favors stealing untold billions of dollars of tax money rather than let everything crash and the free market sort it out, the was a real conservative would.
Again ... where are you getting your information?
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 11:22:17 AM
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ekserekseez
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I'd like to know where you get yours. Public schools?
Apparently most people haven't changed their minds from this debate. I did. I went into it hoping McCain would convince me to vote for him. I've been on the brink for a long time. His RINO socialist performance was the perfect, delicate shade of pink to convince me that Paul or Barr are the way to go.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 11:35:47 AM
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McCain showed his experience in foreign affairs by acknowledging that we need the support of the people of Pakistan. Obama does not get it. He would launch military strikes into Pakistan.
Al Qaida has a lot of support in a good number of Pakistani regions. I'm not certain that support will ever be forthcoming, and I'm not sure that we should flinch if we have a chance to take out bin Ladin. Not to mention, it's not like the Pakistan/Afghanistan border isn't porous as the dickens. If Pakistan-based terrorists are threatening the U.S. and/or Afghanistan's security, and Pakistan isn't willing to able to step up, I don't see why we should be at all limp-wristed about the situation.
McCain said he'd follow Osama bin Ladin to the gates of hell. One would assume that hell would present a few more difficulties than Pakistan. Obama's followup about McCain on North Korea and bomb-bomb-bombing Iran illustrated how hollow words of caution are coming from McCain. The guy is reckless and can't be trusted.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 11:35:57 AM
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He has visited over 69 countries meeting with heads of state and military leaders.
And last night it sounded like Obama hasn't done any traveling. Aside from spending his formative years overseas, that is.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 11:37:13 AM
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ekserekseez
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So is foreign travel required to be president (and, by extension, VP), or not? Your arguments for McCain certainly seem to be arguments AGAINST his running mate.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 11:39:14 AM
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Once again, I find the camera angles used by the networks to be troubling. Notice that after the debates some were talking about how McCain didn't look at Obama?
Actually, he did. But, the cameras were widely spaced to the right and the left so that the candidates looked as if they were looking away from each other when, in fact, they were looking at the moderator. Our brains don't like to see two side by side people looking away from each other and it sub-sconsciously affects our view of the people. It interprets it as negative body language.
Please spare me the desperate spin. I hear enough of it from Sarah Palin and her handlers.
Obama spent a lot of time during the evening looking directly at McCain, who (for his part) responded with a clenched jaw while staring into the audience.
McCain was not obnoxious, but often came off like he wanted to stick his fingers in his ears, shut his eyes, and yell "La la la la la! I can't hear you, Senator! La la la la!"
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 11:39:38 AM
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Psalms274
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So is foreign travel required to be president (and, by extension, VP), or not?
The travel was not the key point ... the meeting with the foreign leaders and military personal on those trips is the key point of that sentence.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 11:40:48 AM
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Jenny-Fair
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So is foreign travel required to be president (and, by extension, VP), or not? Your arguments for McCain certainly seem to be arguments AGAINST his running mate.
I think his experience dealing with foreign leaders is definitely relevant. And no, I don't think that means the VP has to have the same credentials. The VP will get that kind of training post haste, one would think.
Speaking of VPs, did you catch Obama's statement that though he wasn't qualified in a particular area, Biden was? I found it funny.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 11:44:27 AM
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GregandJenny
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Speaking of VPs, did you catch Obama's statement that though he wasn't qualified in a particular area, Biden was? I found it funny.
what I find funny is that all the people that talk about the requirements to be president forget that the constitution only lists 2.
#1 Over 35
#2 A Natural born citizen.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 11:44:37 AM
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huangshan
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Once again, I find the camera angles used by the networks to be troubling. Notice that after the debates some were talking about how McCain didn't look at Obama?
Actually, he did. But, the cameras were widely spaced to the right and the left so that the candidates looked as if they were looking away from each other when, in fact, they were looking at the moderator. Our brains don't like to see two side by side people looking away from each other and it sub-sconsciously affects our view of the people. It interprets it as negative body language.
Please spare me the desperate spin. I hear enough of it from Sarah Palin and her handlers.
Obama spent a lot of time during the evening looking directly at McCain, who (for his part) responded with a clenched jaw while staring into the audience.
McCain was not obnoxious, but often came off like he wanted to stick his fingers in his ears, shut his eyes, and yell "La la la la la! I can't hear you, Senator! La la la la!"
I for one wish the cameras had been able to show the height difference. I think McCain benefited immensely by not looking like Obama's sidekick the whole time. By all means, let the cameras be more honest. 
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 11:45:31 AM
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ekserekseez
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I think his experience dealing with foreign leaders is definitely relevant. And no, I don't think that means the VP has to have the same credentials. The VP will get that kind of training post haste, one would think.
Well, one would think it should be pretty post haste, considering McCain's age and health. Lil' Ms. Palin may have to step in much quicker than her handlers care to admit.
McCain's tongue-biting, jaw-clenched, humorless demeanor is evidence.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 11:51:03 AM
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ekserekseez
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I think you misread his expression. He was trying not to laugh his head off at his opponent.
He also looked to be in fine health to me.
I'm afraid that in a few weeks, you are going to realize just how profoundly you misjudged.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 11:51:29 AM
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Psalms274
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So you are saying that McCain is on the record stating that the feds should do absolutely nothing for the bailout? Not one nickel money? Not any oversight?
He is siding with the House Republicans who have just recently (in the last two months) gotten a backbone to actually stand up and fight. Their counter proposal does not rely on the tax payers bailing out these institutions. Instead their proposal would have banks and investment firms that own mortgages and mortgage-backed securities pay premiums for insurance that would guarantee them against losses if the mortgages default.
From yesterdays NYT:
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“Instead of making the taxpayers pay, the securities holders would pay,” said Representative Paul Ryan, a Wisconsin Republican who helped create the plan.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 11:54:52 AM
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ekserekseez
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Instead their proposal would have banks and investment firms that own mortgages and mortgage-backed securities pay premiums for insurance that would guarantee them against losses if the mortgages default.
Slow poison rather than swift poison. Congress has no business even discussing mortgages or the market. This is another example of how many supposedly conservative GOPers have become socialists.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 12:11:24 PM
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huangshan
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Hm. Apparently McCain didn't love America when he was getting dressed. No flag pin.
Obama, on the other hand, has learned to allow his lapel to revel in Old Glory. I think he's ready to lead, folks.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 12:12:54 PM
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Psalms274
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Instead their proposal would have banks and investment firms that own mortgages and mortgage-backed securities pay premiums for insurance that would guarantee them against losses if the mortgages default.
Slow poison rather than swift poison. Congress has no business even discussing mortgages or the market. This is another example of how many supposedly conservative GOPers have become socialists.
Unfortunately if nothing is done the alternative is a crash of our financial system. The House proposal limits the amount we the people would would bear in the form of taxes for the next who knows how many years.
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RE: Presidential Debate Round #1 - 9/27/2008 12:14:55 PM
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Unfortunately if nothing is done the alternative is a crash of our financial system.
Maybe it will teach us to be a humble nation back on our knees toward Jesus.
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