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RE: Large Families on tv.... - 9/27/2008 12:40:08 PM
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OneOfHisJewels
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about their decisions to have large families.
That statement isn't quite accurate in regards to Jon and Kate. They didn't make a DECISION to have 8 kids. They were only trying for one more baby after the twins (Kate wanted to know what it would be like to have a single baby, lol), and they were caught by surprise.
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.about their decisions to have their lives on tv
I question the wisdom of that decision at times (hence, why I started the letting your children be famous thread). I mean, Dave Letterman just showed his baby boy's picture on TV, and the little boy was kidnapped, although, thankfully, returned in a short amount of time safe and sound. Dave said he would not ever show his son's picture again (kind of sad one jerk has to ruin it for millions that would never hurt the child and would just enjoy watching him grow).
I mean the Duggars are on TV, and yet have their email, their mailing address, and their phone number public. That could be dangerous, especially with some of the statements regarding them that I have seen on the web. If I were them, I might consider changing at least my phone number, and making it private. It's kind of too late regarding the address.
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the Jeub's
They seem like a fun family, although they are the ones that, I believe shunned their daughter when she was pregnant out of wedlock, although they have now reconciled, I believe.
I do think it is important to remember, too, that Jon and Kate are christians, too, not just the Duggars. I BELIEVE the Jeubs are too, although I haven't seen as much as them.
It's great that christianity is getting more exposure..
but I hope the watching world doesn't get the idea that one HAS to have a lot of kids to be a christian.
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RE: Large Families on tv.... - 9/27/2008 12:53:50 PM
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about their decisions to have large families.
That statement isn't quite accurate in regards to Jon and Kate. They didn't make a DECISION to have 8 kids. They were only trying for one more baby after the twins (Kate wanted to know what it would be like to have a single baby, lol), and they were caught by surprise.
their decision was to have fertility treatments which could lead to multiples...so yes, IMO they did CHOOSE to (possibly) have a large family
I would say it was a risk, rather then a decision..they were quite shocked..maybe they shouldn't have been as shocked as they were knowing the risks, but OTOH, Kate's doctor had told her the odds were very low..she said they are only one of 9 living sets in the world. I mean, if she chooses to take that risk, maybe she shouldn't have been quite so surprised/upset when it happened, but it's still different than saying from the beginning that you hope to have 8 kids..or from purposely planning to keep going(if able) like the Duggars.
IMO, trying for one, while taking the risk of POSSIBLY having quite a few more, isn't the same as making the DECISION TO have a large family.
Although, like I said, she still shouldn't have been SHOCKED, knowing the risks.
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RE: Large Families on tv.... - 9/27/2008 1:00:21 PM
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about their decisions to have large families.
That statement isn't quite accurate in regards to Jon and Kate. They didn't make a DECISION to have 8 kids. They were only trying for one more baby after the twins (Kate wanted to know what it would be like to have a single baby, lol), and they were caught by surprise.
their decision was to have fertility treatments which could lead to multiples...so yes, IMO they did CHOOSE to (possibly) have a large family
Even with fertility treatments, sextuplets is extremely rare. There's a 1 in 4 chance of TWINS with fertility treatments, but the odds of more then that are much, much lower. A far different scenario then the Duggars.
As far as a decision to have lots of kids? I don't care that much, especially since Jon & Kate were legitimately taken by surprise to have six more all at once. There is the issue of relying on others to support your family, but I do not want to rehash that old debate again.
Living on TV? Not for me, certainly. I don't watch Jon & Kate, and I probably won't watch the Duggar series, though I've seen a bit of their specials.
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RE: Large Families on tv.... - 9/27/2008 1:17:33 PM
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their decision was to have fertility treatments which could lead to multiples...so yes, IMO they did CHOOSE to (possibly) have a large family
I agree - although as long as a family is self-supporting, I am not against the whole fertility thing. The Jon and Kate thing is a whole different issue, and she has made several conflicting statements. I do not believe for one minute that they only were looking for just "one more." However, that is just my opinion based off of conversations with people that actually know them.
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RE: Large Families on tv.... - 9/27/2008 2:26:05 PM
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It's not for me, but I have no problem with someone else making those decisions for their family. I do watch John & Kate from time to time. I haven't seen the Duggars on TV at all recently.
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RE: Large Families on tv.... - 9/27/2008 3:20:41 PM
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Personally...
I love John & Kate Plus Eight...just a regular, rough and tumble, sometimes bickering, not always perfect family.
I don't care for the Duggars...too picture perfect and not enough individuality for my taste.
Not sure who the others are.
I do, however, think these families take a big risk in opening up their lives to the media...while there are benefits, they are certainly at the mercy of producers and editors who can choose to present them in a good light or not so much depending on their own personal views.
I simply couldn't handle having a camera crew in my house all the time. There was one episode on John and Kate where everyone was sick with the stomach flu. I would have kicked that T.V. crew out so fast their heads would have spun, but their contract probably doesn't allow that.
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RE: Large Families on tv.... - 9/27/2008 7:21:33 PM
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What are your feelings....good or bad (but let's not debate please).....about their decisions to have large families...about their decisions to have their lives on tv...about how they live their lives....etc.
Like Maggie said, I don't think it's any different for a large family to be on TV than for a small family. I personally wouldn't want to do it, but it's not wrong to go on TV if you enjoy that sort of thing.
But, I've never seen any of them. I don't watch much TV, and hardly ever watch reality TV anyway. I don't even get the channels that has these shows, but if I did I'd probably watch just because of these conversations.
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RE: Large Families on tv.... - 9/28/2008 2:52:08 AM
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I love Jon and Kate, I really enjoy watching them. And they do have control over taping/filming, they can ask them to leave at any time. I love how 'real' they are portrayed and I think Kate needs to loosen up some. I would absolutely take Hannah and Aaden anytime for my own!
And a minor correction, David Letterman's son was not kidnapped, it was plotted but not pulled off. Unless something happened that I missed.
I like watching some of the shows with larger families. I like the Duggar's, they entertain me. I don't get into the other shows, I guess since they are only one time shows I don't get pulled into them near as much. Or maybe they just aren't out there enough for me!
I think it's a bit unfortunate though that the kids don't get to choose if they are on TV. I'm not sure how I feel about it but I wonder what these kids will think when they are older adults.
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RE: Large Families on tv.... - 9/28/2008 2:55:52 AM
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And a minor correction, David Letterman's son was not kidnapped, it was plotted but not pulled off. Unless something happened that I missed.
OK, thanks for the correction. He DID definitely say he would not show him on TV again.
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RE: Large Families on tv.... - 9/28/2008 4:30:45 AM
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LOL, the "Little People" family has four children. That's definitely not a great number of children, but neither is it a "small number" .
I saw an ad for a new show last night, with a family who has 6 children - all autistic. I don't think it's going to be an ongoing show, but just a one-time special (if things are challenging for Jon and Kate, imagine raising 6 autistic kids!).
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RE: Large Families on tv.... - 9/28/2008 3:26:36 PM
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I have to admit I'm a little concerned about that show. I wonder what it will do to further knowledge for the general public on autism. Honestly, one of my first thoughts was why did they have 6 kids after the first 2 or 3 were autistic. Not the nicest thought I know, but an honest one.
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RE: Large Families on tv.... - 9/28/2008 3:43:34 PM
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Personally, I feel that unless you really can afford all those kids, its not a good idea to keep having them. I don't really see how many do it. Some (like Osmonds) have plenty of money from records, etc. and can afford the large family. I don't see how the average person can do it with some kind of "suffering/denial" for the kids.
My DH has 10 brothers/sisters (some step) and while his childhood was not a good one for reasons of abuse from the stepfather, they didn't have much of anything. The kids had to deal with hand me downs, few new things, etc. - IMO not a way to live.
I sometimes question large families on tv - why they really are doing it. Is it more for help with finances? Or do they honestly want to help others handle how to do things with next to nothing?
Myself, I know I could not afford to care for more then one child!
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RE: Large Families on tv.... - 9/28/2008 4:01:00 PM
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What is wrong with hand-me-downs? I keep seeing comments about how kids in large families can be deprived. What' wrong with most of your wardrobe being hand me downs? What's wrong with never going to Disney WOrld? Or even going to a local amusement park?
I grew up in a family of 3 kids. We didn't have a lot of new stuff or family vacations and rarely went out to eat. However, we were clothed, happy, fed, etc.
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RE: Large Families on tv.... - 9/28/2008 4:40:35 PM
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I have to admit I'm a little concerned about that show. I wonder what it will do to further knowledge for the general public on autism. Honestly, one of my first thoughts was why did they have 6 kids after the first 2 or 3 were autistic. Not the nicest thought I know, but an honest one.
You're not the only person ever to have had such thoughts. My aunt has 3 mentally challenged children and there's been a few people who wondered why she had the 3rd.
Of course, all children are loved and cherished by God. We all here know and acknowledge that, but it's not a call I would make, personally, if I knew my children had a high chance of being born with certain "challenges".
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RE: Large Families on tv.... - 9/28/2008 9:03:49 PM
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I am surprised that no one has mentioned Supernanny or Nanny 911. THAT is something that I don't think that I could do! To have people see my kids acting beastly and then having someone come in and tell me how to parent right.
I agree, I can't think of why anyone would want to be on those kinds of shows. Yikes!
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RE: Large Families on tv.... - 9/28/2008 9:04:36 PM
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I have to admit I'm a little concerned about that show. I wonder what it will do to further knowledge for the general public on autism. Honestly, one of my first thoughts was why did they have 6 kids after the first 2 or 3 were autistic. Not the nicest thought I know, but an honest one.
You're not the only person ever to have had such thoughts. My aunt has 3 mentally challenged children and there's been a few people who wondered why she had the 3rd.
Of course, all children are loved and cherished by God. We all here know and acknowledge that, but it's not a call I would make, personally, if I knew my children had a high chance of being born with certain "challenges".
another point on the autism part...it can't exactly be diagnosed in a baby...it takes several years, sometimes as many as ten or more, to get a diagnosis and help...although I will say it is easier now then it was just ten years ago...but then I think that has it's downfalls too (like the overdiagnosis of it...but that's another thread).
Also...not all autistic kids are the raging tantrums, or the "Rain Man" types that people tend to associate with autism...so I am curious to see how they edit that show (if I watch it at all, it will only be because of that curiosity...I am not exactly scheduling to look for it)
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RE: Large Families on tv.... - 9/29/2008 4:23:11 AM
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(like the overdiagnosis of it...but that's another thread).
Well, please do start the thread!! I had no idea. I've never completely understood what autism actually is either, although I have always wanted to. I would be interested in a whole autism thread. Oops, just remembered we already have a thread on special needs children..however autism is rather unique..so maybe we could ask for permission for an autism thread.
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Honestly, one of my first thoughts was why did they have 6 kids after the first 2 or 3 were autistic. Not the nicest thought I know, but an honest one.
Some people may take that risk thinking the odds are in their favor. There are different statistics for different disorders. Take cystic fibrosis,, for example..if both parents are carriers, then 1 out of 4 of their children will most likely have the disease. However, to quote Frank Deford, "There is no guarantees for the lucky ones to pop up in the oder that they do. If Alex had not had cystic fibrosis, Carol and I would probably still have only had two children, and our bad genes would have been passed down, blissfully unknown to us..we knew though, that after we had Alex, neither of us ever even considered having another child."--excerpt from his book, Alex, the life of a child,, which he wrote about his little girl who died of cystic fibrosis (she lived to age 8).
When my severely disabled sister was born, my parents made the decision right then and there to have no more children, and my sister was the 4th.
As far as the family with the autistic kids..I wonder if being on TV is the wisest thing to do to those kids. I was of the understanding that being out of routine is difficult for autistic kids, and that they are very picky about with whom they prefer to socialize. I would imagine having a TV crew around could really mess up a routine, and that the new faces could really stress the child out.
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The "Little People" families are small (I couldn't figure out how to write that without the pun, sorry) 
Although, the thouught of someone organizing our home sounds awfully nice. 