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RE: Will we know one another in Heaven? - 9/30/2008 6:30:52 AM
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makarizo
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during the transfiguration, I have wondered how Peter, James & John recognized Moses and Elijah.
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RE: Will we know one another in Heaven? - 9/30/2008 6:36:22 AM
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When you have been judged and deemed worthy to be in heaven through Christ's blood, I am sure you will be so grateful that the sin commited against you will not be important.
Yes, the raped will forgive the rapist. The murdered will forgive the murderer. There will be no contention or malice or greed or jealousy or lust in heaven. We will exist in love, as love, from the love of God.
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RE: Will we know one another in Heaven? - 9/30/2008 8:06:31 AM
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SoninMe,
"Yes, the raped will forgive the rapist. The murdered will forgive the murderer. There will be no contention or malice or greed or jealousy or lust in heaven. We will exist in love, as love, from the love of God."
I'd like to believe you are right. However, from what premise do you reach this conclusion? Any Bible references?
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RE: Will we know one another in Heaven? - 9/30/2008 9:37:03 AM
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I think we will know each other much better than we do now.
1 Corinthians 13:9-12
For we know in part and we prophesy in part; but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away.
When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things.
For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known. I do not think this is applicable to the OP's question. We will know HIM fully, as we are unable to now.
And of course there many who insist the 'perfect' has come; i.e. the completion of the NT in 96 ad with the penning of the book of Revelation.
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RE: Will we know one another in Heaven? - 9/30/2008 9:41:06 AM
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David believed that he would see his first child in heaven.
2 Samuel 12:23 "But now that he is dead, why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me." That and Jesus' parable of Lazarus and the rich man who recognized each other in the afterlife are as close as you will get to any kind of scriptural basis for believing we will know each other. Those are stories, not doctrinal treatises. We do not know if they are universal, or if that applies only in these specific instances, or if they are purely allegorical.
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RE: Will we know one another in Heaven? - 9/30/2008 10:21:07 AM
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David believed that he would see his first child in heaven.
2 Samuel 12:23 "But now that he is dead, why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me." That and Jesus' parable of Lazarus and the rich man who recognized each other in the afterlife are as close as you will get to any kind of scriptural basis for believing we will know each other. Those are stories, not doctrinal treatises. We do not know if they are universal, or if that applies only in these specific instances, or if they are purely allegorical.
Along with the disciples being able to recognize Jesus' resurrected body (which is our biggest evidence, given it is the same nature that we will be bodily resurrected) is another clue that leads me to believe that we will be able to recognize each other, although we will be different.
But as you said, there isn't much to go off of, and it's only speculation.
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RE: Will we know one another in Heaven? - 9/30/2008 10:26:22 AM
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Do you think that, once in heaven, once we have the full power of just how much Christ has forgiven us, that we will have any problem forgiving one another for what we did to each other on earth?
I think that if we have not already forgiven them, that we just might not make it to heaven in the 1st place.
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RE: Will we know one another in Heaven? - 9/30/2008 10:51:59 AM
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Along with the disciples being able to recognize Jesus' resurrected body (which is our biggest evidence, given it is the same nature that we will be bodily resurrected) is another clue that leads me to believe that we will be able to recognize each other, although we will be different.
But as you said, there isn't much to go off of, and it's only speculation. Not a good example. HE apparently could make them not recognise him at one time (as on the road to Emmaus) or recognise him another as HE willed. Since HE is God, that is entirely possible it is HIS divinity that allowed that.
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RE: Will we know one another in Heaven? - 9/30/2008 11:48:09 AM
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I think that if we have not already forgiven them, that we just might not make it to heaven in the 1st place.
Is our salvation based on works, then? Missed that memo..
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RE: Will we know one another in Heaven? - 9/30/2008 11:50:21 AM
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I'm not aware of any Scripture that says anything of earth is going to enter Heaven.
What about that whole new heaven and new earth bit? Where do you think the New Jerusalem is descending to?
Your thoughts seem fairly gnostic in that they treat anything physical as wrong. Jesus' resurrected body was physical, not a spirit. Why should ours be any different?
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RE: Will we know one another in Heaven? - 9/30/2008 1:49:42 PM
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Not a good example. HE apparently could make them not recognise him at one time (as on the road to Emmaus) or recognise him another as HE willed. Since HE is God, that is entirely possible it is HIS divinity that allowed that.
Was it because of His divinity, or simply that He didn't appear quite the same?
Did Mary recognize Christ in his resurrected body right away?
Anyway, I'm not disagreeing or agreeing. It's too . . unknown of a subject to be definitive. I would just like to think that we will recognize people we know. If I am wrong, so be it.
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RE: Will we know one another in Heaven? - 9/30/2008 1:57:42 PM
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Jesus' resurrected body was physical, not a spirit.
It was physical, as he demonstrated to His followers when he ate the fish in front of them, and later when he offered Thomas the opportunity to stick his fingers in His wounds to prove to him that He was real. Yet, didn't Christ's body have supernatural/spiritual properties after his resurrection?
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RE: Will we know one another in Heaven? - 9/30/2008 2:16:09 PM
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I think that if we have not already forgiven them, that we just might not make it to heaven in the 1st place.
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Is our salvation based on works, then? Missed that memo..
The complete memo (key word>COMPLETE) is found in Ephesians Chapter 2. it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. In him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.
Is it enough to have faith and be disobedient, then?
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RE: Will we know one another in Heaven? - 9/30/2008 3:45:32 PM
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TorchHeart,
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Yet, didn't Christ's body have supernatural/spiritual properties after his resurrection?
Depends on what you mean by supernatural/spiritual. Personally, I think His body at that point was the most natural thing on earth. What we have know, what we see around us... That's what's unnatural.
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Is it enough to have faith and be disobedient, then?
All of us are, to some degree, disobedient. God does not require perfection in this life to enter into perfection in the next. Faith is demonstrated through actions, it is not earned through them.
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RE: Will we know one another in Heaven? - 9/30/2008 4:48:23 PM
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All of us are, to some degree, disobedient. God does not require perfection in this life to enter into perfection in the next. Faith is demonstrated through actions, it is not earned through them.
However, He also requires obedience to some degree to enter into the next and I want to hear those words, "Well done good and faithful servant".
We all know that perfection is not attainable this side of heaven, but I do know that a forgiving heart is. All it takes is a profound understanding of exactly what Jesus Christ did on the cross and why He did it.
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RE: Will we know one another in Heaven? - 9/30/2008 5:03:18 PM
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The reason Jesus' body after the resurrection was a physical, human body, - as He tried to prove to Thomas, was to ascertain in the disciples' minds (and ours) once and for all that He had risen from death.
Had He appeared as a spirit (ghost) people would have said that He is still dead and that they had just seen a vision, an apparition, and not the risen Jesus Himself.
This is one of the fundamental truths in our Christian belief. A physical human body died and was risen again. Not a spirit, a ghost, a vision or apparition. The real Jesus rose from the dead.
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RE: Will we know one another in Heaven? - 9/30/2008 5:59:12 PM
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1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
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RE: Will we know one another in Heaven? - 9/30/2008 7:55:45 PM
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norak,
As beneficial as this discussion is, I'm afraid it is getting rather off topic.
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This is one of the fundamental truths in our Christian belief. A physical human body died and was risen again. Not a spirit, a ghost, a vision or apparition. The real Jesus rose from the dead.
Absolutely. So, what makes you think we shall be any different in our basic composition?
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RE: Will we know one another in Heaven? - 9/30/2008 8:51:34 PM
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I'll be thin and good looking in heaven...
no one will recognise me.
I hope this was meant to be funny, because I was rolling.
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RE: Will we know one another in Heaven? - 9/30/2008 9:55:59 PM
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SonInMe1
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I'd like to believe you are right. However, from what premise do you reach this conclusion? Any Bible references?
Revelation 21:4
He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.
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RE: Will we know one another in Heaven? - 10/1/2008 11:30:42 AM
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DuckTalk
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norak,
As beneficial as this discussion is, I'm afraid it is getting rather off topic.
My apologies. That feeling is normal when topics are discussed that are subjective ideologies. We (well, many) attempt to give credibility to our statements when they are tested by others.
Again, my apologies if you felt guided elsewhere.
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