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AS A CHRISTIAN MUSICIAN,,DO YOU STILL LISTEN TO SECULAR... - 9/29/2008 7:49:25 AM
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percussionlover
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i don't kno how many musicians(pro and or amateur)are on the board,but this is a question i hear very often among christian musicians etc.....
it probaly depends on one's own personal walk with Christ & their ministry etc...
do you still actively listen to secular music (non christian) & does it still influence you?
if you still listen to secular music,does your flesh get in the way & do you get caught up in the world,does it derail you from your walk with Jesus??
i kno for my personal walk with Christ,that when i listen to secular music or focus on it,my flesh gets in the way & i do get caught up in the world.
i've been a pro musician for 27 yrs or so & have had the luxury of releasing several successful records/albums throughout my career & also
as a successful songwriter too.
i was saved in 1979,but i went down that secular road cause there was just more stability on that road as a musician,but it was always a creative struggle.
now,,after years of playing christian/praise music i get more of a high seeing people coming to the Lord thru the music & none of the focus is on me.
Keith Green had such an impact on me as a musician & just seeing his bananas attitude about being a christian.
Keith's music is still the driving force in my personal worship/listening.
if you were to look at my cd/album collection it rarely has any new artists in it. you'll find.......Keith Green/Evie/Degarmo & Key Band/Elvis "3 gospel lps"/David Martin/Kyle Henderson/Dan Peek/Gino Vannelli/David Meece/'Ark/Andy McCarroll & Moral Support/Creed/Mr Mister.......
i just can't listen to secular music anymore,especially as a musician & as a christian.
now,when i talk with other christian musicians,"young & old",95% of them cant or wont listen to secular music & the other 5% have no problem with secular music.
i guess it comes down to one's own walk with Christ...........
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RE: AS A CHRISTIAN MUSICIAN,,DO YOU STILL LISTEN TO SEC... - 9/29/2008 7:55:42 AM
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Well, here we go again. Why do these type threads continue to pop up every couple of months?
I'll keep my response brief.
Yes, I do listen to secular music. Most Christian music out there is garbage in my opinion, so I don't listen to a lot of it.
No, I do not feel bad about this.
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RE: AS A CHRISTIAN MUSICIAN,,DO YOU STILL LISTEN TO SEC... - 9/29/2008 8:36:57 AM
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Not a musician, but I sort of work in the industry on the technical side of things.
It's important for an artist to study the work of other artists. By eschewing secular music, you're isolating yourself from a significant body of work. The idea that there is nothing musically or lyrically worthwhile in secular music is just silly. In fact, I think many Christians could learn a lot about how "the other half" see things by listening to secular lyrics.
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RE: AS A CHRISTIAN MUSICIAN,,DO YOU STILL LISTEN TO SEC... - 9/29/2008 8:59:35 AM
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ORIGINAL: PHmosh1
I'll keep my response brief.
Yes, I do listen to secular music. Most Christian music out there is garbage in my opinion, so I don't listen to a lot of it.
No, I do not feel bad about this.
What he said.
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RE: AS A CHRISTIAN MUSICIAN,,DO YOU STILL LISTEN TO SEC... - 9/29/2008 9:07:10 AM
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To the OP question, on an occasion I will listen to secular music, and as a matter of fact I have hooked up with a guitarist and keyboard player of recent to play some jazz and blues. HOWEVER! To those that think you have to listen to others (other bands and musicians) in order to know how to play, I have to humbly disagree.
1st, you either have talent or you don't
2nd, in other threads that bash Christian music for being un-inspired and un-original, what is the point of listening to what others do because if you listen to that and use those "influences" then you are cast aside as being a thief? Which only leads to point#3 (which is actually a question!)
3rd-Question for you, so then if you are in the secular world and you borrow a sound from another band, then they say you are "influenced" by another band only then in the Christian music industry if a Christian band is "influenced" by another band then it is called stealing the sound and mocked as un-inspired and not original. Round and Round it goes, where it stops no one knows!
I just wish we could make up our minds.
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RE: AS A CHRISTIAN MUSICIAN,,DO YOU STILL LISTEN TO SEC... - 9/29/2008 9:40:02 AM
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To the OP question, on an occasion I will listen to secular music, and as a matter of fact I have hooked up with a guitarist and keyboard player of recent to play some jazz and blues. HOWEVER! To those that think you have to listen to others (other bands and musicians) in order to know how to play, I have to humbly disagree.
1st, you either have talent or you don't
It's not just a matter of having talent, it's a matter of developing talent and learning from others to build upon what they've done. A professional "Christian" painter wouldn't go through art school w/o studying a variety of past, often secular painters. A professional "Christian" photographer wouldn't avoid "secular" photography. A "Christian" architect wouldn't only study churches. A "Christian" writer wouldn't read only Christian literature. Why should a Christian musician only listen to Christian music?
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2nd, in other threads that bash Christian music for being un-inspired and un-original, what is the point of listening to what others do because if you listen to that and use those "influences" then you are cast aside as being a thief? Which only leads to point#3 (which is actually a question!)
IMO, those complaints should be directed more at those marketing Christian music than at the musicians themselves. Historically, many Christian bands have been marketed as the Christian alternative to <insert secular band here>, i.e. "If you like <secular band>, then try <Christian band>."
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3rd-Question for you, so then if you are in the secular world and you borrow a sound from another band, then they say you are "influenced" by another band only then in the Christian music industry if a Christian band is "influenced" by another band then it is called stealing the sound and mocked as un-inspired and not original. Round and Round it goes, where it stops no one knows!
I think there are plenty of secular bands that are derivative and uninspired.
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RE: AS A CHRISTIAN MUSICIAN,,DO YOU STILL LISTEN TO SEC... - 9/29/2008 9:50:31 AM
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I am an amatuer musician. I don't get paid for what I do.
Do I listen to secular music? You bet!
Does it influence me? Yes. The stuff that mirrors Christian values does. I don't believe a song has to mention Jesus 300 times for it to share a Christian value. I also listen to music that wouldn't be considered Christian and it doesn't influence me or bother me (or make me any less Christian IMO).
I also don't believe that all the so-called Christian artists are all Christian off-stage. I think there are a lot of mediocre musicians who wouldn't have been able to cut it in the real musical world who do Christian music because they can make more money at it. The Bible also warns against performing religious acts for others to see and hypocritically praying in public. (Matthew 6:5-8)
I listen to Christian music too but not the p & w variety which I find boring, tedious and lacking musically most of the time. Project 86, P.O.D., Alter Bridge, DecembeRadio, Flyleaf, Red, Dead Poetic, Pillar, etc. are more up my alley.
BTW, to save you some time, look up one of the older threads on this debate and you'll have all the views you want with people posting pages and pages of the same stuff over and over and over again. 
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RE: AS A CHRISTIAN MUSICIAN,,DO YOU STILL LISTEN TO SEC... - 9/29/2008 10:29:14 AM
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I listen to mostly secular music, because, artisitally, much of what Christian music offers nowadays leaves me cold.
And yes, I have been a professional Christian musician for the last 20 years....
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RE: AS A CHRISTIAN MUSICIAN,,DO YOU STILL LISTEN TO SEC... - 9/29/2008 11:00:25 AM
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It's not just a matter of having talent, it's a matter of developing talent and learning from others to build upon what they've done.
I respectfully disagree, it is one thing to note what others have done, it is quite another to have talent in the first place to actually develop something. I mean, I computer can simulate the sounds of actual musicians, this is why there are cover bands. And I don't really think that this "standing on the shoulders of others" theory applies to artist of other means, such as photography or especially painting, and it certainly doesn't apply with architecture, IMHO. I mean you can study the world over what others have done, it doesn't mean you are going to have the talent to do the same.
I agree on point #2 and that was my point, but then I have read articles in secular music magazines where as the editor/author of an article makes certain comparisons between new bands and ones that are already on the market, it happens all of the time.
And for point/question number 3 I guess it is to say then that this isn't just a christian music problem, as some here would have us believe, but I would further the point by noting that album and music sales have been in great decline for some time in the secular side. There are no more "Cream's" "Black Sabbaths", "Iron Maidens", "Nirvana's" or "Marylin Mansons" changing the musical tone and completely turning the music industry upside down.
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RE: AS A CHRISTIAN MUSICIAN,,DO YOU STILL LISTEN TO SEC... - 9/29/2008 11:15:43 AM
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I would further the point by noting that album and music sales have been in great decline for some time in the secular side. There are no more "Cream's" "Black Sabbaths", "Iron Maidens", "Nirvana's" or "Marylin Mansons" changing the musical tone and completely turning the music industry upside down.
There are some out there that I have found fresh but they are definitely an exception rather than the rule. I would vote for Linkin Park more than Marilyn Manson IMO he/she sounds like your average metal band to me. At least Linkin Park and P.O.D. mixed some musical styles. The styles already existed but the mixing of them didn't.
The Yeah Yeah Yeahs have a very unique sound but in music to find something "new and fresh" you have to strain for the gnat and swallow the camel!  After 50 plus years of r n r maybe its all been done?
As far as music sales, the internet and people's ability to download or stream music for free has severely cut into that market. You used to have to buy it or wait for the song to be played on the radio if you wanted it to be free.
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RE: AS A CHRISTIAN MUSICIAN,,DO YOU STILL LISTEN TO SEC... - 9/29/2008 1:55:16 PM
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whether you like sabbath, maiden or any of the secular hard rock bands. you have to admit that they did make things interesting, by upsetting the status quo. To be truthful many ministers became very wealthy and some even went to become politicians because of OZZY and other hard rock bands.
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RE: AS A CHRISTIAN MUSICIAN,,DO YOU STILL LISTEN TO SEC... - 9/29/2008 1:59:58 PM
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Christian bands get accused of staeling because the Christian community and the secular community have been at odds. So i guess , the question would be iof you don`t like my sound, then don`t imitate it. Remember how the Gospel community responded to Kirk Franklin`s new sound with disdain. Now many sound just like Kirk.
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RE: AS A CHRISTIAN MUSICIAN,,DO YOU STILL LISTEN TO SEC... - 9/29/2008 2:27:29 PM
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I listen to GOOD music.
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RE: AS A CHRISTIAN MUSICIAN,,DO YOU STILL LISTEN TO SEC... - 9/29/2008 2:28:50 PM
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I listen to mostly secular music, and no, I don't get caught up in worldly things doing so. What I find myself doing is listening to how the message of the song can apply to my life as a Christian man. At times I find that this can move me more than many of the Christian Artists.
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RE: AS A CHRISTIAN MUSICIAN,,DO YOU STILL LISTEN TO SEC... - 9/29/2008 5:36:50 PM
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It's not just a matter of having talent, it's a matter of developing talent and learning from others to build upon what they've done.
I respectfully disagree, it is one thing to note what others have done, it is quite another to have talent in the first place to actually develop something. I mean, I computer can simulate the sounds of actual musicians, this is why there are cover bands. And I don't really think that this "standing on the shoulders of others" theory applies to artist of other means, such as photography or especially painting, and it certainly doesn't apply with architecture, IMHO. I mean you can study the world over what others have done, it doesn't mean you are going to have the talent to do the same.
I didn't say you don't need talent. Quite the contrary, I was actually assuming that the raw talent was already there. I was talking about developing that talent in a constructive fashion.
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying about "standing on the shoulders of giants." Obviously, you can't just build off of others' work the way a physicist can, but are you saying that young artists (of any discipline) don't study the works of past artists?
-Dan.
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RE: AS A CHRISTIAN MUSICIAN,,DO YOU STILL LISTEN TO SEC... - 9/29/2008 6:41:41 PM
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I listen to the radio in my car. My only choice is Klove, which is the most boring station after a few hours. let alone a few months of listening to it.
But I rarely buy non-Christian CD's or go to non-Christian concerts.
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RE: AS A CHRISTIAN MUSICIAN,,DO YOU STILL LISTEN TO SEC... - 9/29/2008 9:07:57 PM
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I consider myself a musician since I get to play on a fairly regular basis - rehershals and worship services. I wish I could think of something really original to say here, but I can't. Most of the music I listen to is secular, but as others have stated, I just look at is a "good music" - or music that I want to hear. I don't really think about if it's Christian in nature or not. All of it comes from God (I believe), and though not all of it is created by those wanting to honor Him, it still belongs to Him. I enjoy almost anything that is (again, this is just my taste and my musical opinons I'm talking about) well written and well played. From ABBA to King Crimson to Bach to Moby to Sabbath to Daniel Amos to Allman Brothers, etc., etc., etc. If it moves me or makes me think "How in the world did he play that?" or just makes me want to kick the cat, then I'm all over it. There's a time and place for everything (within reason and common sense) - and I think this applies to music as much as anything else (again, within reason and common sense). One thing I do strongly believe in is avoiding music which would detract from my walk with God. There are certain songs which I always switch channels on because I don't see any value in listening to them ("Sympathy For The Devil", "Mr. Crowley" and "Highway to Hell" come to mind, even though I like the riff to "Highway"). Again, what's right for me isn't necessarily going to be right for anyone else. You have to listen to the voice inside your own head to decide what that is.
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RE: AS A CHRISTIAN MUSICIAN,,DO YOU STILL LISTEN TO SEC... - 9/30/2008 7:37:23 AM
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thanxxx guys 4 all the replys....i kno that this topic was probaly beaten to death before here on CCM,but i feel in my Spirit that its a topic that is important to musicians.
in fact,this sunday ,i was talking with a few young guys (late teens/early 20's)who are in a very popular christian/praise band here in my area where i live & they felt that this was a topic that was important to their individual walks with God.
none of the guys listen to any secular music anymore since they've gotten saved,they did before they got saved.
in fact,what i found interesting from them was that they listen to some of the current CCM groups ,but they get most of their inspiration from the veteran CCM artists like.....Keith Green,Degarmo & Key Band,Randy Stonehill,Larry Norman,Daniel Amos,Paul Clark,Sweet Comfort Band,Northbound,Honeytree,Dallas Holm & Praise,Lovesong.....etc
i recently read Jeff Fenholt's book"From Darkness To Light" & Jeff says in his book...."I don't believe that music (secular) is itself demonic simply because of its sound,but i do believe that when the hearts of the people playing & writing the music belong to the devil (not saved),then the music is going to belong to the devil also".
in a way,,,,that makes sense. just somethin to think about.......
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RE: AS A CHRISTIAN MUSICIAN,,DO YOU STILL LISTEN TO SEC... - 9/30/2008 1:09:52 PM
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Professional musician here:
I listen to whatever I like. If I find something affects me negatively, I don't listen to it.
I'm sure there was a time when I was young that I was more impressionable than I am today. But, I can't really say that music has been something that would impress me to be one way or another.
I'm playing in a punk/rockabilly band and a rockabilly/country band currently. The music I listen to ain't like all the old heavy metal song topics.
Music is music. My walk is my walk.
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RE: AS A CHRISTIAN MUSICIAN,,DO YOU STILL LISTEN TO SEC... - 10/2/2008 8:51:43 AM
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I have no problem with anyone who can lisen to secular music and not b hindered in their walk. I have no problem with those that find listening to it interferes in some way and chooses not to listen. This is a choice to be made by each person and the Lord. No one should be judged as better or worse for it, which I believe was the spirit behind the OP.
I listen to a lot of blues and jazz. I play primarily blues, some P&W at church. I listen to a lot of different kinds of music. I like hard rock and metal and, frankly, a lot of the Christian music in those genres is terrible. No Christian band I have heard can come close to touching Opeth. I like Miles Davis and John Coltrane. I do not know of any Christian blues players on par with B.B. King. Rap and Hip Hop - don't listen to it. Country? Please, it all is too hokey (anything past 1989, at least) to be taken seriously.
I do not listen to groups like Venom, or any band in any genre that openly speaks against my Lord.
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RE: AS A CHRISTIAN MUSICIAN,,DO YOU STILL LISTEN TO SEC... - 10/7/2008 3:54:30 PM
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Professional classical musician here:
I listen to it and play it all the time, and I love it. I think the distinction good/bad music is more relevant then christian/secular.
What is christian music anyway? The sound waves are neutral
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RE: AS A CHRISTIAN MUSICIAN,,DO YOU STILL LISTEN TO SEC... - 10/7/2008 4:32:25 PM
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i listen to Christian and non Christian music alike. and I am a youth pastor ((in-terim)) and singer.
am i wrong. God makes that call not one of us walking the earth. so dont judge me
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RE: AS A CHRISTIAN MUSICIAN,,DO YOU STILL LISTEN TO SEC... - 10/7/2008 10:50:48 PM
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I listen to Christian and secular music. Not everyone who makes secular music is unsaved - and not everyone who makes Christian music is saved. Some secular songs inspire praise for God and praise about love or the other things he's created. Or can offer great comfort. I know a group of Christians who gig - and every time they play my spirit does flip flops (not in a good way). I'm not at peace, I don't move into worship - I just feel agitated and like I want to leave. There is something about it that is disturbing. I don't know what it is ... I can listen to other pieces of christian music and have an entirely different experience.
So, it isn't so much the label for me - it is the music itself.
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