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RE: What are the causes for people rejecting "God&... - 10/5/2008 6:32:33 PM
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Dancre
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The biggest problem I have seen in those who reject the message are mostly from christians acting like idiots. I'm ammmaaazed by those who wave the Christian flag while stabbing others in the back. What's worse is when they stab their own brothers and sisters in the back. They carry around the Bible, spouting off verses, while criticising those who live in 'sin'. If Christians really acted like Christ, then more would be saved. What else amazes me are those who do act like a fool are the very ones who refuse to see it. Instead, they run around and blame everything and everyone else as to why others aren't saved while ignoring their own stupid behavior. Very sad.
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ORIGINAL: d4nnyb0y02
There are many things to choose from... be it the messenger, the message, or the recipient. Sin, situation, misunderstanding?
I think on reason is due to people who claim to serve God, but are shutting the kingdom of God up before those who they witness to by making it so difficult to "get in" or to be right with God. It isn't difficult at all, nor does He require a lot of us. He simply asks that we love and trust Him. Christ has finished the work. His yoke is easy and His burden is light.
Then of course there is the many messages that are out there... the confusion, the hypocricy.
Then of course there is the fact that men and women are just plain old evil in their heart, and at enmity with God because of the lives we want to and choose to live... not wanting to give up their lives, not knowing that it will lead to REAL LIFE (Jesus said that if you lose your life you will find it).
What do you see as the reasons for why we and other's reject God? Why do we not just simply trust Him, love Him, and obey at all times? Why don't we always want to be with Him in everything we (I relate to all people) do?
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RE: What are the causes for people rejecting "God&... - 10/5/2008 6:55:39 PM
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ORIGINAL: Dancre
The biggest problem I have seen in those who reject the message are mostly from christians acting like idiots. I'm ammmaaazed by those who wave the Christian flag while stabbing others in the back. What's worse is when they stab their own brothers and sisters in the back. They carry around the Bible, spouting off verses, while criticising those who live in 'sin'. If Christians really acted like Christ, then more would be saved. What else amazes me are those who do act like a fool are the very ones who refuse to see it. Instead, they run around and blame everything and everyone else as to why others aren't saved while ignoring their own stupid behavior. Very sad.
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ORIGINAL: d4nnyb0y02
There are many things to choose from... be it the messenger, the message, or the recipient. Sin, situation, misunderstanding?
I think on reason is due to people who claim to serve God, but are shutting the kingdom of God up before those who they witness to by making it so difficult to "get in" or to be right with God. It isn't difficult at all, nor does He require a lot of us. He simply asks that we love and trust Him. Christ has finished the work. His yoke is easy and His burden is light.
Then of course there is the many messages that are out there... the confusion, the hypocricy.
Then of course there is the fact that men and women are just plain old evil in their heart, and at enmity with God because of the lives we want to and choose to live... not wanting to give up their lives, not knowing that it will lead to REAL LIFE (Jesus said that if you lose your life you will find it).
What do you see as the reasons for why we and other's reject God? Why do we not just simply trust Him, love Him, and obey at all times? Why don't we always want to be with Him in everything we (I relate to all people) do?
EXACTLY!!! The phony smile while the knife is going between your shoulder blades...
The spewing of scripture while you know that the person is also "living in sin"...
The rampant hypocricy of so many....
No thanks...I couldn't stand myself if I lived like that...but delusional self-righteousness is good for some folks I guess....
NDY
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RE: What are the causes for people rejecting "God&... - 10/5/2008 6:56:21 PM
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While I appreciate all the sentiments expressed here...
First...I can and will judge what I believe is right for me and for my family...
Second...the MOST mercy I have ever had extended to me in my time of need was by an incredible gay couple...the most loving people I have EVER met...
Third...I attempt, and strive, EVERY day...to show others grace and mercy. I don't prejudge ANYONE based on their lifestyle, religion, or anything else...
Yet...that pre-judgement happens time after time w/in the Christian community.
And lastly, I don't feel I need a "savior" to save me from anything...I'm not lost...
NDY
Hi NotDoneYet
I would just like to say that Im not here to judge you or to take up for anyone who has hurt you in the past, but thats why its so important that we dont put our "trust" in others but we put our trust, our "faith" in Christ. It really hurts to read where you say you dont need a savior, thats one thing I have to disagree with you about, you dont have to agree with me, and Im not asking you too, but yes, we all need Jesus Christ in our lives, Im nothing without Him! But the question I guess that I have for you, is this, if you dont need "a savior" as you put it, in my life, there is only 1 Savior and thats Christ, but if you dont need Him, why are you here, in this Christian forum, where you know this is a group of believers? Im having trouble with that one. I hope you understand what Im saying and where my questioning comes from.
You are in my prayers,
Misty
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RE: What are the causes for people rejecting "God&... - 10/5/2008 7:03:37 PM
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Misty...
It's because the whole "belief" thing fascinates the daylights out of me...don't ask me why, but it does...
I am trying to understand (and failing miserably at it) why people would throw their lives at the mercy of someone that, by their own admission, is unsee-able, unknowable, unfathomable.
If it bothers you, I'll ask a mod to delete my membership here...
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RE: What are the causes for people rejecting "God&... - 10/5/2008 7:16:42 PM
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misty35
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ORIGINAL: NotDoneYet
Misty...
It's because the whole "belief" thing fascinates the daylights out of me...don't ask me why, but it does...
I am trying to understand (and failing miserably at it) why people would throw their lives at the mercy of someone that, by their own admission, is unsee-able, unknowable, unfathomable.
If it bothers you, I'll ask a mod to delete my membership here...
First of all, there is no reason to have your membership deleted. But I would like to say this, in my situation, its not just a belief, its a "RELATIONSHIP" with Jesus Christ. And maybe thats why you see it as fascinating and Im sure your not the only one. Before I was saved, when I heard my mother, father, other relatives speak about Christ, I seen it as fascinating, because to me, they were speaking about a person that I could not see, but today, I can say, "I KNOW HIM." And let me tell you something that may fascinate you even more, I see Him working in every area of my life!! You made the statement, that "you" are trying to understand and you are failing miserably at it, well until you let go of that negative mentality that you have, and you ask Jesus Christ to come into your heart and to cleanse you of all unrighteousness, and you forgive those who have hurt you......things may not get any better for you. But thats just it, "you" are not capable of doing anything, but the Holy Spirit is! Us in the flesh will always fail, and we will fail miserably, its not until you surrender your life to the Lord, when He walks in, that your life will be made complete, its then that you no longer trust in others, but you trust in Him!
And I dont really think you are here because you find our beliefs fascinating, I think you are here because the Lord has your heart under conviction, and your really not sure what you should do about it. And I praise Him for that!
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RE: What are the causes for people rejecting "God&... - 10/5/2008 7:19:38 PM
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NDY ... I think it's good that you're here.
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RE: What are the causes for people rejecting "God&... - 10/5/2008 7:21:48 PM
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misty35
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NDY ... I think it's good that you're here.
I could not agree with you more.
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RE: What are the causes for people rejecting "God&... - 10/5/2008 7:38:45 PM
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EXACTLY!!! The phony smile while the knife is going between your shoulder blades...
The spewing of scripture while you know that the person is also "living in sin"...
The rampant hypocricy of so many....
No thanks...I couldn't stand myself if I lived like that...but delusional self-righteousness is good for some folks I guess....
NDY
I work with a woman who believes God is a goddess and is into new age junk. She laughs and mocks christians, seeing them as self righteous fools b/c of their self-righteousness garbage. She sees this from TV and from Christians who point out others' sins. It's really sad and I try hard to walk in love with her, showing Christ's love.
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RE: What are the causes for people rejecting "God&... - 10/6/2008 2:42:07 PM
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original: ladyichigo
I often read that people reject the notion of God's existence because:
1) They feel that they live a better and more full-filling life without the belief in God, because they no longer have to deal with the "guilt" that they are sinning. To them, the belief in Something/Someone they cannot see, keeping them accountable was bondage.
2) They believe that the Bible is just a book of fables and myths, and stuff to keep people living in fear.
3) Through scientific theories, they have concluded in their minds that there is no proof that God exists.
4) There is no physical proof of Jesus Christ's resurrection, and they believe that the eye witness accounts written in the Bible are not reliable since the accounts were written years after Jesus' death.
5) They believed in God at one point, but during a very hard-time when they needed God's help, they feel they didn't get it. They asked for God to personally reveal Himself to them and, He did not.
There were actually threads on here by some folks that posted several months back on "Why" or "What" caused them to reject God.
I haven't posted here much recently, but as one of the non-Christians here I did participate in those threads. This list is a good one I think, though it isn't exhaustive by any means. Several of the items on this list come from my story.
The main reason I'm not a Christian anymore is because I never received a personal revelation when I was doubting my faith, despite begging for one for a year and a half. The doubts were mainly coming from studying science and apologetics. Finally, there came a point when I could no longer justify my faith, and it left for good.
Anyways, that's the Reader's Digest version. Right now, barring a personal revelation or convincing evidence of the Christian God's existence, I would not go back to being a Christian.
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RE: What are the causes for people rejecting "God&... - 10/6/2008 5:20:49 PM
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Misty...
It's because the whole "belief" thing fascinates the daylights out of me...don't ask me why, but it does...
I am trying to understand (and failing miserably at it) why people would throw their lives at the mercy of someone that, by their own admission, is unsee-able, unknowable, unfathomable.
If it bothers you, I'll ask a mod to delete my membership here...
"NotDoneYet" I hope you are still with us because I know it`s good for you that you`re here. So please don`t leave us yet because we`re not done with you yet.
The reason why your here is because of Ecc.3:11 "He has also set eternity in the hearts of men." Your fascinated by spiritual and eternal things because God has made you an eternal being created but for God. Now if you live your life without God you are living a life with a vacuumed heart that materialism etc. will never fill. Only Christ can fill this vacuum.
I`m not sure what you mean by us believing in Someone that is unsee-able, unknowable or unfathomable. There were over 500 witnesses that saw Jesus alive after His resurrection. We can know all about God by reading His Word, the Bible. Salvation in a risen Savior is not unfathomable. Simple faith in believing that Jesus died for your sins will save you.
Are there hypocrites and sinners in the Church? You bet there are and I`m one of them. I`m a sinner and believe you me, I don`t always get it right. However it is for people like me that Jesus came to die on the cross. His blood washes away my sins, and the sins of all of us hypocrites. His blood even washes away my sins of bitterness, anger and let-down feelings I`ve had towards other people in my Church who have hurt me badly.  We all need forgiveness and we also need you to forgive us hypocrites.  Can you forgive us?
What is your alternative? There is nothing else out there that can give you the peace in your heart your longing for but Jesus. There is nobody else our there that can forgive your sins and help you forgive others like me and help you put the pain of the past behind you then Jesus. "Oh to have no Christ, no Savior! How lonely life must be! To have no Friend, no Light in Jesus! How dark this world must be!"
"GEORGIANERD" Got a Bible? The personal revelation you were looking for when you doubted your faith is found in God`s Word, your Bible. However you must find it, read it and believe it in order for it to work. God is not your employee. Even if you don`t like Him you still just can`t get up and fire Him. God has not left you for good. God is still in love with you and is still begging you to listen to His voice once again.
"NotYetDone + Georgianerd" Why not "come to Jesus, He will save you; He is the Friend of sinners; Then, when thou hast found the Savior, How bright this world will be!
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RE: What are the causes for people rejecting "God&... - 10/6/2008 5:46:21 PM
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ORIGINAL: frankman
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ORIGINAL: NotDoneYet
Misty...
It's because the whole "belief" thing fascinates the daylights out of me...don't ask me why, but it does...
I am trying to understand (and failing miserably at it) why people would throw their lives at the mercy of someone that, by their own admission, is unsee-able, unknowable, unfathomable.
If it bothers you, I'll ask a mod to delete my membership here...
"NotDoneYet" I hope you are still with us because I know it`s good for you that you`re here. So please don`t leave us yet because we`re not done with you yet.
The reason why your here is because of Ecc.3:11 "He has also set eternity in the hearts of men." Your fascinated by spiritual and eternal things because God has made you an eternal being created but for God. Now if you live your life without God you are living a life with a vacuumed heart that materialism etc. will never fill. Only Christ can fill this vacuum.
I`m not sure what you mean by us believing in Someone that is unsee-able, unknowable or unfathomable. There were over 500 witnesses that saw Jesus alive after His resurrection. We can know all about God by reading His Word, the Bible. Salvation in a risen Savior is not unfathomable. Simple faith in believing that Jesus died for your sins will save you.
Are there hypocrites and sinners in the Church? You bet there are and I`m one of them. I`m a sinner and believe you me, I don`t always get it right. However it is for people like me that Jesus came to die on the cross. His blood washes away my sins, and the sins of all of us hypocrites. His blood even washes away my sins of bitterness, anger and let-down feelings I`ve had towards other people in my Church who have hurt me badly. We all need forgiveness and we also need you to forgive us hypocrites. Can you forgive us?
What is your alternative? There is nothing else out there that can give you the peace in your heart your longing for but Jesus. There is nobody else our there that can forgive your sins and help you forgive others like me and help you put the pain of the past behind you then Jesus. "Oh to have no Christ, no Savior! How lonely life must be! To have no Friend, no Light in Jesus! How dark this world must be!"
"GEORGIANERD" Got a Bible? The personal revelation you were looking for when you doubted your faith is found in God`s Word, your Bible. However you must find it, read it and believe it in order for it to work. God is not your employee. Even if you don`t like Him you still just can`t get up and fire Him. God has not left you for good. God is still in love with you and is still begging you to listen to His voice once again.
"NotYetDone + Georgianerd" Why not "come to Jesus, He will save you; He is the Friend of sinners; Then, when thou hast found the Savior, How bright this world will be!
Save me from what? A belief in an afterlife? I have no problem with the idea that my 70-80 years on planet earth are it...and the "afterlife" I'll have will be the legacy I'll leave with the future generations...
I have more peace now than I did when I was the church-going, bible reading type...
And my past...it's still there...it'll always be there...BUT...it doesn't define me...
And as far as hypocrites and "sinners"....I'd rather meet an honest hypocrite than one who hides behind the guise of "chrstianity"...
NDY
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RE: What are the causes for people rejecting "God&... - 10/6/2008 6:20:51 PM
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ORIGINAL: GeorgiaNerd
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original: ladyichigo
I often read that people reject the notion of God's existence because:
1) They feel that they live a better and more full-filling life without the belief in God, because they no longer have to deal with the "guilt" that they are sinning. To them, the belief in Something/Someone they cannot see, keeping them accountable was bondage.
2) They believe that the Bible is just a book of fables and myths, and stuff to keep people living in fear.
3) Through scientific theories, they have concluded in their minds that there is no proof that God exists.
4) There is no physical proof of Jesus Christ's resurrection, and they believe that the eye witness accounts written in the Bible are not reliable since the accounts were written years after Jesus' death.
5) They believed in God at one point, but during a very hard-time when they needed God's help, they feel they didn't get it. They asked for God to personally reveal Himself to them and, He did not.
There were actually threads on here by some folks that posted several months back on "Why" or "What" caused them to reject God.
I haven't posted here much recently, but as one of the non-Christians here I did participate in those threads. This list is a good one I think, though it isn't exhaustive by any means. Several of the items on this list come from my story.
The main reason I'm not a Christian anymore is because I never received a personal revelation when I was doubting my faith, despite begging for one for a year and a half. The doubts were mainly coming from studying science and apologetics. Finally, there came a point when I could no longer justify my faith, and it left for good.
Anyways, that's the Reader's Digest version. Right now, barring a personal revelation or convincing evidence of the Christian God's existence, I would not go back to being a Christian.
Greetings,
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barring a personal revelation or convincing evidence of the Christian God's existence, I would not go back to being a Christian.
Jesus said, "God is greater than Him, and no one can snatch us form His Fathers hand ( which basically means that once God begings His work in someone by drawing them to Christ... He will not give up until it is fulfilled) Jesus said that those in whom God has “given to Him”... will never fall to the point you mentioned,
so the question is..
Were you ever Christian to begin with?
Because every indication you have given thus far suggests that you are under the law, or Gods drawing of one to Christ, which can get a little messy at times.
When one is Christ’s they don't go backwards.
So with that there is no indication in your story that you were once enlightened , have tasted that heavenly gift, became a partaker of His Holy Spirit nor have tasted the good word of God “by the powers”… of the age to come ,
( What that means is:… we Christians are living on “an advance” of the powers that have “not yet been given” so… we have to be taught it.)....As opposed to Jeremiah 31:33-34 emphasis on v34: No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' for they all shall know Me,
By that ....
Calling oneself a Christian…. represents knowing the Father.
Those who are still under the law are under consideration of being drawn by the Father “to” Christ…. and these are not Christians 
Because…
in your own story there is no further indication that you even recall the former days in which, after you were “illuminated> (God revealing Himself to you), that...you "endured" great struggles with sufferings: …
Because you quit when times became rough.
So who actually told you were a Christian... or taught you back then... and by what means did they suggest you were?
Now….
If I was to from an opinion on your story; by the scripture being illuminated above...
Your story is very typical to those who are still under the law 
Right now, barring a personal revelation or convincing evidence of the Christian God's existence, I would not go back to being a Christian.
You not going to get one!
How can one come back to something that never had in the first place?
LG
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RE: What are the causes for people rejecting "God&... - 10/6/2008 6:27:51 PM
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I have quite a few people who hate me right now and many who slander me repeatedly - both inside and outside of the church. In the end, it really doesn't matter all that much what people do to me or the lies (or truths) that they spread about me. What is important is what God in Christ's plans are and what He desires. It is the epitome of arrogance and ignorance to think anything else. Eventually, 'every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to glory of God the Father'. When I read some of your posts, NotDoneYet, and see the bitterness and hatred for Christians (even if all of them are hypocrites and not one of them is saved and they treated you badly all the time) - it shows how despite all your years in the church you never grasped the love of Jesus because if you did you would feel compelled to extend that to others and you would persevere in extending and learning to extend it better and more wisely even to people who, as in my case, REPEATEDLY OVER YEARS NOW, have slandered me and harrassed me and falsified my legal documents to make it seem that their slanders were true - over and over and over and over again they have done this to me over the last several years - and I can honestly say that I love men and God in Christ more now than I did before this ordeal started. Have I gotten ballistic at times? You bet. Many, many, times - but the grace of God always brings me back to the sweet love of Jesus and so I persevere.
'Blessed is a man who perseveres under trial, for once he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.' James 1:12
God bless everyone abundantly,
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The situation is - really quick - that I extended grace to terrorists on line and [I'm pretty sure - its a long story] in person. There are, as a result, a whole bunch of people inside and outside of the government, the local police, my neighbors, etc., who HATE MY GUTS!!!!! I experience their hatred continually and at this point there isn't anything I can do about it. My pastor, church family, and husband are so clueless and prone to slander people and are too stupid to realize it that they actually exasperate (sp?) my affliction because they believe what my slanderers are saying about me!!!!! I still go to church there. I am still married - it is hurting my kids though (again something else I could become extremely bitter about), and I am learning to obey God's holy law better and better as a result. Praise God. With all the hate that I see and experience and have at times felt myself - after a while, if you're saved - you just get tired of it. You realize how pointless and useless it is and then you just get on trying to love people with the love of Christ according to how you are gifted and able and led and you start to pity people for how incredibly stupid and wicked and blind they are.
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RE: What are the causes for people rejecting "God&... - 10/6/2008 8:18:37 PM
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God bless you Focusing!  ...and everyone else too, of course.
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RE: What are the causes for people rejecting "God&... - 10/6/2008 9:39:35 PM
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ORIGINAL: GeorgiaNerd
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original: ladyichigo
I often read that people reject the notion of God's existence because:
1) They feel that they live a better and more full-filling life without the belief in God, because they no longer have to deal with the "guilt" that they are sinning. To them, the belief in Something/Someone they cannot see, keeping them accountable was bondage.
2) They believe that the Bible is just a book of fables and myths, and stuff to keep people living in fear.
3) Through scientific theories, they have concluded in their minds that there is no proof that God exists.
4) There is no physical proof of Jesus Christ's resurrection, and they believe that the eye witness accounts written in the Bible are not reliable since the accounts were written years after Jesus' death.
5) They believed in God at one point, but during a very hard-time when they needed God's help, they feel they didn't get it. They asked for God to personally reveal Himself to them and, He did not.
There were actually threads on here by some folks that posted several months back on "Why" or "What" caused them to reject God.
I haven't posted here much recently, but as one of the non-Christians here I did participate in those threads. This list is a good one I think, though it isn't exhaustive by any means. Several of the items on this list come from my story.
The main reason I'm not a Christian anymore is because I never received a personal revelation when I was doubting my faith, despite begging for one for a year and a half. The doubts were mainly coming from studying science and apologetics. Finally, there came a point when I could no longer justify my faith, and it left for good.
Anyways, that's the Reader's Digest version. Right now, barring a personal revelation or convincing evidence of the Christian God's existence, I would not go back to being a Christian.
...i wrote that list with one of your posts in mind....(if I remember correctly, you used go by the screen name "RedCoatMello") and i'm sorry it's not exhaustive, and very generalized.
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RE: What are the causes for people rejecting "God&... - 10/6/2008 9:51:24 PM
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To all who have shared your thoughts and your experiences with notdoneyet.
It is so very clear to me that God is extending His hand, yes His very heart to notdoneyet, through His people. There is that continued hope and prayer that notdoneyet will respond to the love people are trying to show her here through our own faith in Christ.
Notdoneyet there are certain limitations when we as a group of people try to share with you our heart felt beliefs. The internet is both a blessing and a curse sometimes. You can not see the sincer look in our eyes or our hope for you. We can not see you face to face, we can not embrace you if you would allow it. The warmth of human comfort is sometimes lost in words. Thats how come some in this forum use scripture, scripture and the Spirit that empowers scripture is our only real hope. Scripture is not self rightous, we embrace scripture as the living breathing Word of God. Scripture is not invisable to us, He through His words have left us visible hope for all our eternal tomorrows.
That being said, None of us here in this vast net can by themselves ever pass their faith onto you. It is not possible, we can not even pass it on to our own beloved children. They have to embrace it for themselves, we can only try to be a witness to them and to others of what God has done for us. Some of us have been changed, truly changed by God. Not by just some words written over the course of 6000 years.
However some who feast with us and dwell among us, yes in our very church are pretenders. We can not sort them out, or force them out except on rare occasions. God has promised to sort them out on the last day.
I can never call myself a finished Christian, nor can anyone here in this forum make such a claim. We all are "notdoneyets" who must be patient with ourselves and others as God is patient with us. So please stay around you may help prove this very point as you challenge us, maybe not directly and maybe not by intent. But by that curious streak that seems to hold you here by your own addmission.
I agree with those who have asked you to stay, so welcome!
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RE: What are the causes for people rejecting "God&... - 10/6/2008 10:04:06 PM
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ladyichigo
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Should I have continued base my faith upon other Christians and their "Christian lifestyle", I would have rejected God a long time ago, and I would not be alive (spiritually and physically) today.
Through some unfortunate events within my own church and my family, I realized that Christians are still people, and people are imperfect. They make mistakes...LOTS of STUPID mistakes. It's really sad that there are so many poor representatives for Christ, and it's even sadder that these representatives have turned-off seeking hearts.
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RE: What are the causes for people rejecting "God&... - 10/6/2008 10:51:36 PM
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Aaack... The computer ate my reply, so this one will be shorter.
Lady... RedcoatMello was my old name. I recently changed it to be more anonymous. Often generalized lists can be useful, and I think that yours is excellent, especially in regards to the ex-Christians and doubters who have frequented the boards.
Frankman... Yes I own and read several Bibles. In fact, there is a correlation between the beginning of my period of doubt and my Bible studies in Koine Greek. Theology, particularly hermeneutics, has been an interest of mine for years. I found that I could not logically support my prior belief that the Bible is 100% correct in the original languages.
My own analogy of the Christian God will be no more correct to you than the one of the employee. I believe that God is more like an imaginary friend. An imaginary friend may seem real, but one can stop believing that it is real, though this is often time-consuming, difficult and painful.
Loyal Gypsy... Much of your post is in Christianese, which I am not fluent in, but I will try to understand it as best as I can. Your question of whether or not I was ever really a Christian is one that I have received over and over again on the boards, particularly from the OSAS crowd. In my mind, there is no doubt that I was a Christian, though there is no way I could prove it to you. I left out my conversion and my Christian experience in my post intentionally because I didn't feel that they were relevant to the topic at hand, which is why people reject God. If the answers to your questions are relevant to the thread, I will be glad to post the answers again.
A friendly reminder to everyone... Please keep
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TOS 9
9. You will not disrupt the normal flow of dialog in the community or act in a manner that negatively affects other members, including and perhaps especially in the defense of Christianity, in offering unwelcome spiritual counsel, or in debating doctrinal issues.
- Respect someone's request if they say they don't believe in Christ or are doubting their faith and express that they do not wish to discuss it, don't try to "cram" Jesus down their throat. If another Christian disagrees with you theologically do not immediately jump to the conclusion that they are not truly saved just because they disagree, as there are differences of opinion in translating Biblical doctrine.
in mind when non-Christians enter these discussions. Some (not me) might be offended by much of the unwanted evangelizing that goes on in these types of threads.
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RE: What are the causes for people rejecting "God&... - 10/7/2008 8:53:46 AM
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ORIGINAL: GeorgiaNerd
Loyal Gypsy... Much of your post is in Christianese, which I am not fluent in, but I will try to understand it as best as I can.
Your question of whether or not I was ever really a Christian is one that I have received over and over again on the boards, particularly from the OSAS crowd. In my mind, there is no doubt that I was a Christian, though there is no way I could prove it to you. I left out my conversion and my Christian experience in my post intentionally because I didn't feel that they were relevant to the topic at hand, which is why people reject God. If the answers to your questions are relevant to the thread, I will be glad to post the answers again.
A friendly reminder to everyone... Please keep
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TOS 9
9. You will not disrupt the normal flow of dialog in the community or act in a manner that negatively affects other members, including and perhaps especially in the defense of Christianity, in offering unwelcome spiritual counsel, or in debating doctrinal issues.
Greetings,
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9. You will not disrupt the normal flow of dialog in the community or act in a manner that negatively affects other members, including and perhaps especially in the defense of Christianity, in offering unwelcome spiritual counsel, or in debating doctrinal issues.
IMHO
I believe that the TOS applies also to an acceptable range of doctrine by the belief in Jesus Christ,
Unbelievers can not claim what you have presented above for the soul purpose that is it not in agreement with that range of doctrine, and in like manner by the same TOS any spiritual range of suggestions by unbelievers towards believers… should also not be tolerated, would you agree?
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Much of your post is in Christianese
Let me then explain it then
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Your question of whether or not I was ever really a Christian is one that I have received over and over again on the boards
This is a Christian board …and we deal with truth (words...) which has been know in time past and present and onto the future to negatively affects other people (members)
.........According to your “own words” (below)… I gave the “Proper scripture”…. in plain English; that agreed exactly with what “you said”… (in other words I was in agreement with the truth in your own statement.)
And that is not a spiritual suggestion.
NOW….Unless you were speaking of some else ….which “was not made clear”…then I apologize
QUOTE: barring a personal revelation or convincing evidence of the Christian God's existence, I would not go back to being a Christian.
To me that statement says explicitly that you never had a personal revelation in the first place.
According to the Bible when one claims to be a Christian and references the range of doctrine …then one is saying that one has received that personal revelation; by which is the only convincing evidence of the Christian(ese) God's existence.= “Born Again)
Since we neither are debating that doctrinal issue here yet in like manner expressing simple apologetics....
…..How that is even closely related to the TOS you mentioned; is beyond me; considering you brought it up in the first place?
LG
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RE: What are the causes for people rejecting "God&... - 10/7/2008 9:13:39 AM
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LoyalGypsy
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ORIGINAL: GeorgiaNerd
Aaack... The computer ate my reply, so this one will be shorter.
Frankman... Yes I own and read several Bibles. In fact, there is a correlation between the beginning of my period of doubt and my Bible studies in Koine Greek. Theology, particularly hermeneutics, has been an interest of mine for years. I found that I could not logically support my prior belief that the Bible is 100% correct in the original languages.
Loyal Gypsy... Much of your post is in Christianese, which I am not fluent in, but I will try to understand it as best as I can.
Grettings
You mentioned above that
In fact, there is a correlation between the beginning of my period of doubt and my Bible studies in Koine Greek. Theology, particularly hermeneutics, has been an interest of mine for years. I found that I could not logically support my prior belief that the Bible is 100% correct in the original languages.
Can you offer an example... where you found that you could not logically support that the Bible is 100% correct in the "original languages, which, would be a cause for one to reject God?
LG
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RE: What are the causes for people rejecting "God&... - 10/7/2008 5:26:52 PM
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