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So, bringing up The Messiah's relationship with Pentagon bomber William Ayers, his doctrinal underpinnings from Sal Alinksi's "Rules for Radicals," his total lack of support for his half-brother when he claims he is his brother's keeper, his dealings with Chicago slumlord Rezko, et al is going negative?

Sure.

No more than bringing up -

McCain's buddy G. Gordon Liddy

McCain's role in the Keating 5

McCain slow-walks the Abramoff investigation

McCain's ties to the Kremlin

Unless you have no ideas for the future to share with the people voting for you; You're just a Gee Golly, You Betcha, Joe sixpack Maverick.

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So, bringing up The Messiah's relationship with Pentagon bomber William Ayers, his doctrinal underpinnings from Sal Alinksi's "Rules for Radicals," his total lack of support for his half-brother when he claims he is his brother's keeper, his dealings with Chicago slumlord Rezko, et al is going negative?

Sure.

No more than bringing up -

McCain's buddy G. Gordon Liddy

McCain's role in the Keating 5

McCain slow-walks the Abramoff investigation

McCain's ties to the Kremlin

Unless you have no ideas for the future to share with the people voting for you; You're just a Gee Golly, You Betcha, Joe sixpack Maverick.

The only eye opener here is that you seem to get your news from the far left media sources ... that are so slanted it is not news but inflammatory opinion (which explains your extreme position in the posts you have written to date). Do you have any credible sources?

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Educated professionals, college folk, and the computer literate tend to avoid AOL like the plague.

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WoW! How much more slander from all these "liberals" do you want me to pile on?!

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As badly as the economy is tanking, McCain probably can't overcome it with negative ads. He missed his chance to get in a better position on the economy.

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On "60 Minutes" Sunday evening, McCain, saying "this may sound a little unusual," said that he would like to replace Cox with Andrew Cuomo, the Democratic attorney general of New York who is the son of former governor Mario Cuomo. McCain explained that Cuomo has "respect" and "prestige" and could "lend some bipartisanship." Conservatives have been warned.

Conservatives who insist that electing McCain is crucial usually start, and increasingly end, by saying he would make excellent judicial selections. But the more one sees of his impulsive, intensely personal reactions to people and events, the less confidence one has that he would select judges by calm reflection and clear principles, having neither patience nor aptitude for either.

It is arguable that, because of his inexperience, Obama is not ready for the presidency. It is arguable that McCain, because of his boiling moralism and bottomless reservoir of certitudes, is not suited to the presidency. Unreadiness can be corrected, although perhaps at great cost, by experience. Can a dismaying temperament be fixed?

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As badly as the economy is tanking, McCain probably can't overcome it with negative ads. He missed his chance to get in a better position on the economy.

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As badly as the economy is tanking, McCain probably can't overcome it with negative ads. He missed his chance to get in a better position on the economy.

Hey, at this point if you know a better position on the economy, I'll vote for you; at this point I don't think anyone knows for sure what to do next. Perhaps McCain should have simply stayed quiet like Obama and been assumed wise.

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As badly as the economy is tanking, McCain probably can't overcome it with negative ads. He missed his chance to get in a better position on the economy.

I think you're probably right. I think his only chance would be to highlight the Democrats' role in the economic collapse. Something like this might help:

A simple ad pointing to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac running amok bringing down the economy. (Citing the past New York Times articles which essentially point this very thing out would make for delicious irony.) Then highlight the repeated attempts by the Republicans to rein them in (especially show a quote from Senator McCain's floor speech urging reform), accompanied by videos of Barney Frank and other Democrats vehemently denying there's a problem. Also, call Senator Obama out on lying about his "warning about the crisis two years ago" during the debate. (I have yet to see that claim substantiated and I've been looking. It appears to me at this point to be a bald-faced lie. It wouldn't be his first.) End with a tagline like, "Don't let the Party most responsible for the problem trick you into thinking they'll fix it."

Yes it's an oversimplification of the problem, but it has the benefit of being true as far as it goes (one might debate "most responsible" though it is clear they own a significant share of responsibility), uses a very simple narrative, and exposes the Democrats' culpability with video of their own people (much more effective than mere words). The tagline I think would be particularly effective because nobody likes to think they're being deceived. It may get people to stop and rethink the knee-jerk "blame the party in the White House" response that has voters flocking to Senator Obama right now.

-Robb

P.S. Anybody working for the McCain campaign, please feel free to use my ad idea.

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Old saying: Better to stay quiet than to open your mouth and expose your ignorance?

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A simple ad pointing to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac running amok bringing down the economy. (Citing the past New York Times articles which essentially point this very thing out would make for delicious irony.) Then highlight the repeated attempts by the Republicans to rein them in (especially show a quote from Senator McCain's floor speech urging reform), accompanied by videos of Barney Frank and other Democrats vehemently denying there's a problem.

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A simple ad pointing to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac running amok bringing down the economy. (Citing the past New York Times articles which essentially point this very thing out would make for delicious irony.) Then highlight the repeated attempts by the Republicans to rein them in (especially show a quote from Senator McCain's floor speech urging reform), accompanied by videos of Barney Frank and other Democrats vehemently denying there's a problem.

Did this happen before or after the '06 mid terms?

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Before. The most recent was in 2006, the bill McCain was a co-sponsor on. It made it out of committee on a straight party-line vote, but there were not enough votes for it to pass the full Senate. (The video of Frank I've seen is from a couple different earlier House hearings; I'd need to search for them again to check just when.)

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FYI, more on that ground game in Ohio:

Homeless being recruited to vote

Quote from one man that was interviewed: "I mean if they say sign the ballot, just give it and do exactly what they ask you to do, I mean, this is America, you know what I mean? Hahahaa."

In my opinion that's exploitation at its finest.

-Robb

Possibly. OTOH, they ARE citizens and they DO have the right to vote. Getting them out to vote is not in and of itself exploitive, IMO. There is no rule that says one MUST be informed and politically astute to vote.

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Negative attack ads are easier to understand, but can't cover complicated issues very well.

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Negative attack ads are easier to understand, but can't cover complicated issues very well.

This seems to imply that McCain already has the intelligent voter vote wrapped up and is now attempting to dumb it down for those who are inclined to vote for Obama?

Voter education demographics? Anyone? Anyone?

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As badly as the economy is tanking, McCain probably can't overcome it with negative ads. He missed his chance to get in a better position on the economy.

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As badly as the economy is tanking, McCain probably can't overcome it with negative ads. He missed his chance to get in a better position on the economy.

I think you're probably right. I think his only chance would be to highlight the Democrats' role in the economic collapse. Something like this might help:

A simple ad pointing to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac running amok bringing down the economy. (Citing the past New York Times articles which essentially point this very thing out would make for delicious irony.) Then highlight the repeated attempts by the Republicans to rein them in (especially show a quote from Senator McCain's floor speech urging reform), accompanied by videos of Barney Frank and other Democrats vehemently denying there's a problem. Also, call Senator Obama out on lying about his "warning about the crisis two years ago" during the debate. (I have yet to see that claim substantiated and I've been looking. It appears to me at this point to be a bald-faced lie. It wouldn't be his first.) End with a tagline like, "Don't let the Party most responsible for the problem trick you into thinking they'll fix it."

Yes it's an oversimplification of the problem, but it has the benefit of being true as far as it goes (one might debate "most responsible" though it is clear they own a significant share of responsibility), uses a very simple narrative, and exposes the Democrats' culpability with video of their own people (much more effective than mere words). The tagline I think would be particularly effective because nobody likes to think they're being deceived. It may get people to stop and rethink the knee-jerk "blame the party in the White House" response that has voters flocking to Senator Obama right now.

-Robb

P.S. Anybody working for the McCain campaign, please feel free to use my ad idea.

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Before. The most recent was in 2006, the bill McCain was a co-sponsor on. It made it out of committee on a straight party-line vote, but there were not enough votes for it to pass the full Senate. (The video of Frank I've seen is from a couple different earlier House hearings; I'd need to search for them again to check just when.)

If it makes it out of committee on a straight party line in 2006 then Republicans had control of the Senate then. If there was no filibuster then Republicans had to cross the aisle to shoot it down. That means that 6 Republicans would have had to jump ship in the event that everyone of them voted, since if 5 would have Cheney would have cast the tying vote.

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Of course McCain can and will pull it out. And it won't be 'pulling it out'. Perhaps it won't be a landside but it will be over 50%. And that Palin will be our VP scares me. I'm trying to picture Golda Mier winking at the media in prep for the Yom Kippur War. But as a country, we'll survive McCain/Palin. It will make us stronger as a nation - adversity always does, doesn't it?

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My liberal friends are already rubbing their hands in unmitigated glee as the propect of an Obama presidency grows more likely with each passing day.

I would also venture that our enemies overseas are as well.

We've been safe since 9/11. If Obama is elected, I predict another major attack on US soil within a year of him taking office. After all, the terrorists will have nothing whatsoever to fear....

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Of course McCain can and will pull it out. And it won't be 'pulling it out'. Perhaps it won't be a landside but it will be over 50%. And that Palin will be our VP scares me. I'm trying to picture Golda Mier winking at the media in prep for the Yom Kippur War. But as a country, we'll survive McCain/Palin. It will make us stronger as a nation - adversity always does, doesn't it?

More and more everyday, I think this is wishful thinking. We better get used to it people. And I think the ramifications are going to be unfathomable. Our nation and possibly our world, as we know it, is in it's last days.