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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 10/8/2008 12:15:22 PM
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letusreason
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My liberal friends are already rubbing their hands in unmitigated glee as the propect of an Obama presidency grows more likely with each passing day.
I would also venture that our enemies overseas are as well.
We've been safe since 9/11. If Obama is elected, I predict another major attack on US soil within a year of him taking office. After all, the terrorists will have nothing whatsoever to fear....
Hmmmmm. What does that say about Bush? We were attacked AFTER he took office and had been in office for 9 months.
Either your logic fails with the facts here or you didn't finish your sentence perhaps.
We were attacked AFTER he took office and had been in office for 9 months by a radical Muslim extremist who Bill Clinton let go when he had the chance to get him.
McCain failed to succinctly draw the necessary connection between the failure of democrat's past actions and flubs and Obama not understanding the terrorists caught in Iraq and killed were of the same denomination and purpose.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 10/8/2008 12:28:25 PM
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Let the fear-mongering (and whining  ) begin. "The End" would be here either way if it were coming. Yes, bad days are here and will continue (even if McCain wins) because the economy will not likely turn around quickly. The bad news is that the dems will control both Congress and the White House. But mid-terms are only two years away.
I was devastated when Bill Clinton won the first time because I truly never considered the possibility that people were taking that man seriously. I'm just not setting myself up for that again, I'm trying to be a realist. I like your somewhat optimistic take on it, though.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 10/8/2008 12:28:36 PM
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Sorry for the superficiality but nothing extraordinary is happening those 2 candidates remains the same..but Mr McCain look so lacking in gas and it seems all his movements are restricted not just body wise but he does not show nimbleness as agile, quick movement that involves the whole being engagement..I have no problem or descriminate about age but he is not convincing ..
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 10/8/2008 12:52:42 PM
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Sorry for the superficiality but nothing extraordinary is happening those 2 candidates remains the same..but Mr McCain look so lacking in gas and it seems all his movements are restricted not just body wise but he does not show nimbleness as agile, quick movement that involves the whole being engagement..I have no problem or descriminate about age but he is not convincing ..
I have no idea what you just said. My brain just hurts, I need a nap.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 10/8/2008 1:39:44 PM
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The bright side to this is that the Republicans can pick up the Democratic play book of hoping the country goes down the tubes so they can win the next election or better known as "the country loses and we win" or something like that.
I certainly hope we show better character than that. At the end of the day, isn't what's best for America our common goal?
It's been disgusting to watch the Democrats cheer every bit of bad news from Iraq and our economy, I'd hate to see the GOP get down and wallow in the same mud just because things don't go our way this time around...
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 10/8/2008 3:13:27 PM
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The bright side to this is that the Republicans can pick up the Democratic play book of hoping the country goes down the tubes so they can win the next election or better known as "the country loses and we win" or something like that.
I certainly hope we show better character than that. At the end of the day, isn't what's best for America our common goal?
It's been disgusting to watch the Democrats cheer every bit of bad news from Iraq and our economy, I'd hate to see the GOP get down and wallow in the same mud just because things don't go our way this time around...
That's what the party out of power always does.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 10/8/2008 3:55:12 PM
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In my view, yes.
McCain may be trailing, but the election is still almost 1 month away - and we do not know what'll happen between now and then.
I do concede that I, too, feel Obama is the likelier winner - but let me ask you McCain supporters a thing or two. After Palin's interviews and her debate vs. Joe Biden, where do you now stand w/ McCain having chosen Palin? Do you think she hurt McCain's ticket? If not her, who were your favorite choices for VP?
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 10/8/2008 3:59:46 PM
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I do concede that I, too, feel Obama is the likelier winner - but let me ask you McCain supporters a thing or two. After Palin's interviews and her debate vs. Joe Biden, where do you now stand w/ McCain having chosen Palin? Do you think she hurt McCain's ticket? If not her, who were your favorite choices for VP?
I think if last night McCain showed half the chutzpa Palin showed in her debate, Obama wouldn't be skating toward victory right now.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 10/8/2008 4:02:27 PM
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I do concede that I, too, feel Obama is the likelier winner - but let me ask you McCain supporters a thing or two. After Palin's interviews and her debate vs. Joe Biden, where do you now stand w/ McCain having chosen Palin? Do you think she hurt McCain's ticket? If not her, who were your favorite choices for VP?
I think if last night McCain showed half the chutzpa Palin showed in her debate, Obama wouldn't be skating toward victory right now.
You personally, Jhud. Who was/were the potential candidate/candidates for the VP ticket once McCain secured the GOP nomination?
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 10/8/2008 4:05:05 PM
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I do concede that I, too, feel Obama is the likelier winner - but let me ask you McCain supporters a thing or two. After Palin's interviews and her debate vs. Joe Biden, where do you now stand w/ McCain having chosen Palin? Do you think she hurt McCain's ticket? If not her, who were your favorite choices for VP?
I think if last night McCain showed half the chutzpa Palin showed in her debate, Obama wouldn't be skating toward victory right now.
I agree. What did he have to lose last night? I can rarely stand more than a few minutes of Hannity but it was on last night when I was coming home from the kids' soccer practice. I only heard a few minutes but he said McCain needed to look Obama in the eye and tell him "You are more than naive, you are dangerous!" I really hoped he'd lay it on the line last night and he just didn't come through. A complete waste of time. He doesn't seem to want it very badly. Maybe he doesn't appreciate what's at stake - honestly I don't think he does. I don't think McCain supporters regret the Palin pick. I think there are quite a few of us, though, who still regret McCain's win...maybe Romney would've campaigned harder and done better, I don't know.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 10/8/2008 4:05:29 PM
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You personally, Jhud. Who was/were the potential candidate/candidates for the VP ticket once McCain secured the GOP nomination?
Who were they? I believe Romney, Pawlenty, Jindal, and a few others were considered - why?
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 10/8/2008 4:07:21 PM
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You personally, Jhud. Who was/were the potential candidate/candidates for the VP ticket once McCain secured the GOP nomination?
Who were they? I believe Romney, Pawlenty, Jindal, and a few others were considered - why?
I personally think Palin actually has somewhat hurt McCain's ticket, and I can't help but wonder whether McCain might be doing better if he had picked somebody like, say, Mitt Romney. But then again, it's all speculation now.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 10/8/2008 4:09:18 PM
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RichLP
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I agree. What did he have to lose last night? I can rarely stand more than a few minutes of Hannity but it was on last night when I was coming home from the kids' soccer practice. I only heard a few minutes but he said McCain needed to look Obama in the eye and tell him "You are more than naive, you are dangerous!" I really hoped he'd lay it on the line last night and he just didn't come through. A complete waste of time. He doesn't seem to want it very badly. Maybe he doesn't appreciate what's at stake - honestly I don't think he does. I don't think McCain supporters regret the Palin pick. I think there are quite a few of us, though, who still regret McCain's win...maybe Romney would've campaigned harder and done better, I don't know.
Calling an opponent "dangerous" to his face during a national televised debate could backfire. Showing the man's dangerous-ness would've been better. McCain, however, did neither.
I will say that I did like Ron Paul a lot, but I also did take a liking to Mitt Romney, and wonder as well how well the GOP ticket would be doing had Romney and not McCain won it. But as I just wrote to Jhud, it's all speculation now...
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 10/8/2008 4:09:23 PM
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I personally think Palin actually has somewhat hurt McCain's ticket, and I can't help but wonder whether McCain might be doing better if he had picked somebody like, say, Mitt Romney. But then again, it's all speculation now.
Personally, I think McCain would be doing better if he were Romney's VP, but this too is water under the bridge.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 10/8/2008 4:11:33 PM
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RichLP
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I personally think Palin actually has somewhat hurt McCain's ticket, and I can't help but wonder whether McCain might be doing better if he had picked somebody like, say, Mitt Romney. But then again, it's all speculation now.
Personally, I think McCain would be doing better if he were Romney's VP, but this too is water under the bridge.
Maybe. But I can only wonder this - if a Romney-McCain ticket won the White House and also the 2012 election, would McCain then opted to run in 2016? If so, how old would he have been by then? McCain is an ambitious politician (which is the norm), but I wonder whether he would have stopped by that age.
But as I said... all speculation.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 10/8/2008 4:13:00 PM
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csl7037
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But as I said... all speculation.[/font][/size]
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 10/8/2008 4:13:57 PM
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But I can only wonder this - if a Romney-McCain ticket won the White House and also the 2012 election, would McCain then opted to run in 2016?
Absolutely; cryogenic techniques will certainly be perfected by then, so McCain would be running then, probably against Robert Byrd.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 10/8/2008 4:15:06 PM
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But I can only wonder this - if a Romney-McCain ticket won the White House and also the 2012 election, would McCain then opted to run in 2016?
Absolutely; cryogenic techniques will certainly be perfected by then, so McCain would be running then, probably against Robert Byrd.
Well, that would be good for the rest of us young'ins... we'd be able to live much, much longer...
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 10/8/2008 4:26:34 PM
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Sorry for the superficiality but nothing extraordinary is happening those 2 candidates remains the same..but Mr McCain look so lacking in gas and it seems all his movements are restricted not just body wise but he does not show nimbleness as agile, quick movement that involves the whole being engagement..I have no problem or descriminate about age but he is not convincing ..
I have no idea what you just said. My brain just hurts, I need a nap.
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McCain looks old not only from outside but he comes across not convincing he can stand to the job pace.
In the other hand, President Reagan was old but alert engaging energetic, for sure without a doubt.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 10/8/2008 4:31:09 PM
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McCain? Did you ever think he had a shot?
Obama/Biden '08 
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 10/8/2008 4:49:05 PM
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Jhud
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Well, that would be good for the rest of us young'ins... we'd be able to live much, much longer...
Not neccesarily good; I am not sure I want to be around for the Mad Max style apocalyptic world that will be our fate after the Obama reign.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 10/8/2008 4:55:51 PM
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Well, that would be good for the rest of us young'ins... we'd be able to live much, much longer...
Not neccesarily good; I am not sure I want to be around for the Mad Max style apocalyptic world that will be our fate after the Obama reign.
A tad melodramatic. You'll be happier when our economy rebounds under a non-Republican. 
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 10/8/2008 4:57:43 PM
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A tad melodramatic. You'll be happier when our economy rebounds under a non-Republican.
I will be happier, because I will know that have died and am happily esconced in heaven.
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