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I can only hope we find God again before it's too late!!! - 10/10/2008 2:43:43 AM
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campbe33
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My father emailed me this little thought provoking tidbit
The following was written by Ben Stein and recited by him on CBS Sunday Morning Commentary.
My confession:
I am a Jew, and every single one of my ancestors was Jewish. And it does not bother me even a little bit when people call those beautiful lit up, bejeweled trees, Christmas trees.. I don't feel threatened. I don't feel discriminated against. That's what they are: Christmas trees.It doesn't bother me a bit when people say, 'Merry Christmas' to me. I don't think they are slighting me or getting ready to put me in a ghetto. In fact, I kind of like it It shows that we are all brothers and sisters celebrating this happy time of year. It doesn't bother me at all that there is a manger scene on display at a key intersection near my beach house in Malibu . If people want a crïeche, it's just as fine with me as is the Menorah a few hundred yards away.I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don't think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period. I have no idea where the concept came from that America is an explicitly atheist country. I can't find it in the Constitution and I don't like it being shoved down my throat.Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from that we should worship celebrities and we aren't allowed to worship God as we understand Him? I guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too.. But there are a lot of us who are wondering where these celebrities came from and where the America we knew went to.In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke; it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking.Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her 'How could God let something like this happen?' (regarding Katrina) Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said, 'I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives. And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?'In light of recent events... terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found a few years ago) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK. Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school. The Bible says thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about. And we said OK.Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why theydon't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves.Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with 'WE REAP WHAT WE SOW.'Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says. Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing. Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace.Are you laughing yet?Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it to many on your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they will think of you for sending it.Funny how we can be more worried about what other people think of us than what God thinks of us.Pass it on if you think it has merit. If not then just discard it... no one will know you did. But, if you discard this thought process, don't sit back and complain about what bad shape the world is in.
My Best Regards, Honestly and respectfully,
Ben Stein
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RE: I can only hope we find God again before it's too l... - 10/10/2008 6:43:32 AM
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Bravo!!
As Christians it's our duty to spread the gospel ... to win souls for Christ!
Saddens me to see the state of affairs in America ... we've read the book and we know how it ends!
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RE: I can only hope we find God again before it's too l... - 10/10/2008 7:12:20 AM
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Very good comments and article. Yes, we have read the book and we know how it ends.
God bless,
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RE: I can only hope we find God again before it's too l... - 10/10/2008 10:58:29 PM
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Amen on that article. I would like to add that I do believe God is saying come back to me and for those who are saved and are going to heaven to go out and share the gospel. It's not hard when you read the book of revelations to open our hearts, feel for those who are going to hell and ask ourselves each time someone walks by if they are saved and going to heaven. If everyone were to ask themselves that and feel for all those who are not saved to share the gospel with everyone, not just our loved ones but total strangers. I'm not very familiar with all the different faiths people have, but the most important is if they are going to heaven. If everyone shared the gospel with people we'd be in a much better society than we are now. Being a Christian is not just a Sunday thing, it's 24/7. As adults we are supposed to set the examples for our children. They do what we do. I feel the tv should be shut off, parents spend time with your children, have fun, get to know them and spend time in Gods word with them. If we do it now as they are young, they too will grow up and do the same with their children. Please pray for our country. There's power in prayer and God will bless our country if more of us be the Christians we should be and bring more of his children to him.
God Bless :)
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RE: I can only hope we find God again before it's too l... - 10/10/2008 11:09:55 PM
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Christian morals will never be as popular as they should be, but Christians and Christian PR machines could help themselves by not ranting and raving at the drop of a hat or employing fear-mongering as their primary debate tactic. Nobody takes seriously the far-left enviro-nuts, because they do the same thing. But sensible environmental practices are becoming more commonplace, because they were promoted more rationally and sensibly and because there are logical, and moral justifications for adopting them. Christians could do a lot to further our/their causes if they'd try being a bit more caring, civil, and high-minded instead of over-excited and reactionary.
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RE: I can only hope we find God again before it's too l... - 10/10/2008 11:19:43 PM
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Christian morals will never be as popular as they should be, but Christians and Christian PR machines could help themselves by not ranting and raving at the drop of a hat or employing fear-mongering as their primary debate tactic. Nobody takes seriously the far-left enviro-nuts, because they do the same thing. But sensible environmental practices are becoming more commonplace, because they were promoted more rationally and sensibly and because there are logical, and moral justifications for adopting them. Christians could do a lot to further our/their causes if they'd try being a bit more caring, civil, and high-minded instead of over-excited and reactionary.
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Which would equate to Christians to not telling the truth about things... Caring, civil and being high-minded ends up being appeasement and or out right acceptance of things that are clearly wrong... These days a "sensible" Christian is supposed to accept abortion, homosexuals and whatever else society tosses up as normal and within the boundaries of man's rights. And even the slightest peep that things are wrong is seen as over-excited and reactionary.
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RE: I can only hope we find God again before it's too l... - 10/10/2008 11:34:39 PM
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Which would equate to Christians to not telling the truth about things...
No it doesn't. You can speak the truth and not be a nutcase. You can speak the truth and use logic, facts, and reason to support your positions.
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Caring, civil and being high-minded ends up being appeasement and or out right acceptance of things that are clearly wrong...
No, being caring, civil, and high-minded means just that.
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These days a "sensible" Christian is supposed to accept abortion, homosexuals and whatever else society tosses up as normal and within the boundaries of man's rights. And even the slightest peep that things are wrong is seen as over-excited and reactionary.
I'm sure there are some who take that position, but I don't believe that the majority of people do. What a "sensible" Christian should do is approach people and subjects in a spirit of love and civility, and ready to engage in discourse. You don't have to agree with people, but you should respect them as individuals enough to be able to have a reasonable discussion with them. I find that it's much easier to get people to open up to your way of thinking if you just maintain a pleasant attitude and answer their questions with unbiased facts than it is to just shout at them with a bunch of half-cocked talking points.
I think Christians would do well to not focus so much on the legality of certain behaviors, but to instead focus on the social acceptance of those behaviors. The PR campaign waged against smoking has been successful because it aimed at changing its acceptance within society. Smoking isn't illegal, but it's much less popular than it once was. Although stiff penalties have been a factor, I think that the public awareness regarding drunk driving has increased because people have been convinced of its dangers, not just its punitive consequences. I believe that abortion could be tackled the same way.
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RE: I can only hope we find God again before it's too l... - 10/10/2008 11:47:20 PM
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No it doesn't. You can speak the truth and not be a nutcase. You can speak the truth and use logic, facts, and reason to support your positions.
And still be called uncaring and condemning... It takes place daily on this forum...
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No, being caring, civil, and high-minded means just that.
Maybe in the lab, but in the real world if one doesn't accept and or appease folks they are told they are have issues...
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I'm sure there are some who take that position, but I don't believe that the majority of people do.
Since the majority of people support evil agendas and take issue with people that believe they do I beg to differ...
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What a "sensible" Christian should do is approach people and subjects in a spirit of love and civility,
Which means to most people... Nothing from the bible of course, and if they do it has to be something so vague that it doesn't really matter...
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You don't have to agree with people, but you should respect them as individuals enough to be able to have a reasonable discussion with them.
Which means no matter how disgusting their actions, it's ok...
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I find that it's much easier to get people to open up to your way of thinking if you just maintain a pleasant attitude and answer their questions with unbiased facts than it is to just shout at them with a bunch of half-cocked talking points.
Of course a simple mention of unbiased facts especially something clear and concise from God's work is seen as shouting and half-cocked talking points from a crazy fundamentalist... And we haven't even left a Christian forum to have this take place...
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RE: I can only hope we find God again before it's too l... - 10/10/2008 11:57:57 PM
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Of course a simple mention of unbiased facts especially something clear and concise from God's work is seen as shouting and half-cocked talking points from a crazy fundamentalist... And we haven't even left a Christian forum to have this take place...
No, in my experience, even when talking with people who are decidedly anti-Christian, dropping the agenda and just talking about facts is usually enough to disarm somebody and get them to open up on some level. Work at it slow enough and long enough and you might get them around to your way of thinking.
I suspect that hyperbole is often mistaken for fact, and throwing around hyperbole or injecting unrelated or barely-related issues into a conversation will most certainly get you labeled as a crazy fundamentalist.
There is an element of discernment that's needed to know when and how to present certain things. You and I both believe that abortion is murder. If we want to convince the same person to abandon their pro-choice views, which approach do you think would work best: asking them about their position and seeking to truly understand it, then talking about your position in a non-confrontational way; or telling them that by voting for Barack Obama, they'll have the blood of untold millions on their hands?
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RE: I can only hope we find God again before it's too l... - 10/11/2008 12:24:24 AM
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No, in my experience, even when talking with people who are decidedly anti-Christian, dropping the agenda and just talking about facts is usually enough to disarm somebody and get them to open up on some level. Work at it slow enough and long enough and you might get them around to your way of thinking.
In my experience the truth is the first causality, not civility...
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I suspect that hyperbole is often mistaken for fact, and throwing around hyperbole or injecting unrelated or barely-related issues into a conversation will most certainly get you labeled as a crazy fundamentalist.
Which in most cases would amount to anything from the bible...
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You and I both believe that abortion is murder.
We do? So I can assume you will support that view by not voting for folks who support murder?
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If we want to convince the same person to abandon their pro-choice views, which approach do you think would work best: asking them about their position and seeking to truly understand it, then talking about your position in a non-confrontational way; or telling them that by voting for Barack Obama, they'll have the blood of untold millions on their hands?
In my experience non-confrontational way equates to telling them things like, God will understand, it doesn't matter regarding salvation, it's between you and God so don't worry about it, and other similar quips...
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RE: I can only hope we find God again before it's too l... - 10/11/2008 8:57:08 AM
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No, in my experience, even when talking with people who are decidedly anti-Christian, dropping the agenda and just talking about facts is usually enough to disarm somebody and get them to open up on some level. Work at it slow enough and long enough and you might get them around to your way of thinking.
In my experience the truth is the first causality, not civility...
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In my experience non-confrontational way equates to telling them things like, God will understand, it doesn't matter regarding salvation, it's between you and God so don't worry about it, and other similar quips...
Is that experience watching others or trying it yourself?
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I suspect that hyperbole is often mistaken for fact, and throwing around hyperbole or injecting unrelated or barely-related issues into a conversation will most certainly get you labeled as a crazy fundamentalist.
Which in most cases would amount to anything from the bible...
How do you figure? If something from the Bible is relevant, it's relevant. Injecting homosexuality into a discussion about environmental issues is not relevant. Abortion is not relevant to a discussion on the economy. But the bible's position on abortion is relevant to a discussion about abortion.
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You and I both believe that abortion is murder.
We do? So I can assume you will support that view by not voting for folks who support murder?
At this time, I don't believe any candidate would be able to stop abortion through legislation or judicial appointment. If we want to stem the flow of abortions, I believe we need a bottom-up approach, targeting people and their attitudes about abortion, rather than the top-down approach we've been taking, trying to legislate it away.
Additionally, I believe there are other factors related to abortion that are more likely to be alleviated under Barack Obama than they would under McCain.
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RE: I can only hope we find God again before it's too l... - 10/11/2008 1:05:09 PM
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Is that experience watching others or trying it yourself?
My 8+ years on this forum watching people try and shoehorn whatever they do into a walk with Christ...
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How do you figure? If something from the Bible is relevant, it's relevant. Injecting homosexuality into a discussion about environmental issues is not relevant. Abortion is not relevant to a discussion on the economy. But the bible's position on abortion is relevant to a discussion about abortion.
Injecting anything from the bible on those topics in considered not relevant. Evident by the fact that what the bible has to say abortion isn't enough to sway even a Christian from supporting a person who has no issue with the murder of over 3000 unborn children daily.... Same with homosexuality....
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At this time, I don't believe any candidate would be able to stop abortion through legislation or judicial appointment. If we want to stem the flow of abortions, I believe we need a bottom-up approach, targeting people and their attitudes about abortion, rather than the top-down approach we've been taking, trying to legislate it away.
Speak for yourself... I have always advocated dealing with it from both ends... Can't support people who support and target people who do it... The hypocrisy will be seen...
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Additionally, I believe there are other factors related to abortion that are more likely to be alleviated under Barack Obama than they would under McCain.
I won't bother to ask how the guy who without a doubt supports abortion on demand will do that, I will just make the point that WE don't believe abortion is murder... I figured your claim of abortion being murder was to be taken a with a grain of salt, it was just a matter of how large of a grain...
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RE: I can only hope we find God again before it's too l... - 10/11/2008 2:23:40 PM
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Christian morals will never be as popular as they should be, but Christians and Christian PR machines could help themselves by not ranting and raving at the drop of a hat or employing fear-mongering as their primary debate tactic. Nobody takes seriously the far-left enviro-nuts, because they do the same thing. But sensible environmental practices are becoming more commonplace, because they were promoted more rationally and sensibly and because there are logical, and moral justifications for adopting them. Christians could do a lot to further our/their causes if they'd try being a bit more caring, civil, and high-minded instead of over-excited and reactionary.
-Dan.
Which would equate to Christians to not telling the truth about things... Caring, civil and being high-minded ends up being appeasement and or out right acceptance of things that are clearly wrong... These days a "sensible" Christian is supposed to accept abortion, homosexuals and whatever else society tosses up as normal and within the boundaries of man's rights. And even the slightest peep that things are wrong is seen as over-excited and reactionary.
The statement that a "sensible christian" is supposed to accept abortion, homosexuals, and whatever else society tosses up as normal and within the boundaries of man's rights is not accurate. I for one don't think less of people because they have an abortion or are gay. They sin, but so do I, and I'm supposed to know better. A sensible christian will love and forgive those people for their lifestyles and understand that they do not believe the same things we do. We must learn to accept people for who they are, just as Jesus did. We are all sinners, we have all fallen short; but Christ forgave us anyway. We should not be judgemental of them; instead, we should let Christ's love flow through us. That means sharing the gospel with them, and letting them see God's love flow through us for them. If we were to take this tack, they have a chance to know who God is through our own behavior, and might come to change their hearts.
Not everyone is a christian. Not everyone is predestined to know Christ. Many will judge us for our beliefs irregardless, calling us self righteous. We should not be behaving self righteously though, but accepting the righteousness of Christ for us and demonstrating that righteousness to others through our own submission.
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RE: I can only hope we find God again before it's too l... - 10/11/2008 2:34:29 PM
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The statement that a "sensible christian" is supposed to accept abortion, homosexuals, and whatever else society tosses up as normal and within the boundaries of man's rights is not accurate. I for one don't think less of people because they have an abortion or are gay.
It's not about thinking less, but dealing with what is... There is a desire to make what is clearly wrong, right...
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A sensible christian will love and forgive those people for their lifestyles and understand that they do not believe the same things we do. We must learn to accept people for who they are, just as Jesus did.
Jesus didn't accept them for who they are, He changed them or moved on...
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RE: I can only hope we find God again before it's too l... - 10/11/2008 2:45:04 PM
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As for the original post, that was truly a great article that really gets to the truth. With Americans asking to keep God out of our lives, we will reap what we sow. So many who complain about their rights that they have lost, or the corruption in government, on Wall Street, and all the problems that this nation faces which are a direct result of God being thrown out of school and government are the same people who supported throwing God out of those arenas in the first place. Ironically, in the Comcast forums that I have read over the past year or so, it seems they think it is christians and jews fault that we have all of these problems, blaming the republican party and right wing conservatives because they have been in office. We were the ones fighting to have prayer and the bible taught in school, and they fought against it. Now, it's all our fault.
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RE: I can only hope we find God again before it's too l... - 10/11/2008 2:59:15 PM
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The statement that a "sensible christian" is supposed to accept abortion, homosexuals, and whatever else society tosses up as normal and within the boundaries of man's rights is not accurate. I for one don't think less of people because they have an abortion or are gay.
It's not about thinking less, but dealing with what is... There is a desire to make what is clearly wrong, right...
I agree. This is in large part because they want to be justified for their wrong activities. It doesn't change our responsibilities of fighting for what is right, though, and we should not stop showing them Christ's love either. We must remain submitted to God, and working towards making right choices right, and try to stop them from making what is wrong right
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A sensible christian will love and forgive those people for their lifestyles and understand that they do not believe the same things we do. We must learn to accept people for who they are, just as Jesus did.
Jesus didn't accept them for who they are, He changed them or moved on...
I base the idea of Jesus accepting them on the serenity prayer's full length version. In it, there is a line that says we accept the world as it is, as Jesus did, and not as we would have it. He is still willing to meet them wherever they are, no matter how vile or horrible their sins, and bring them to Him. We must remain vigilant in doing this, even if they continue to reject Him. Of course, we don't force them, we just keep giving them the opportunity in hope of their salvation. Does that make any sense???
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RE: I can only hope we find God again before it's too l... - 10/11/2008 4:12:36 PM
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I base the idea of Jesus accepting them on the serenity prayer's full length version. In it, there is a line that says we accept the world as it is, as Jesus did, and not as we would have it. He is still willing to meet them wherever they are, no matter how vile or horrible their sins, and bring them to Him.
Yes He is always meets people where they are at, yet once He does they don't remain there if that be His will...
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RE: I can only hope we find God again before it's too l... - 10/11/2008 8:31:03 PM
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Christian morals will never be as popular as they should be, but Christians and Christian PR machines could help themselves by not ranting and raving at the drop of a hat or employing fear-mongering as their primary debate tactic. Nobody takes seriously the far-left enviro-nuts, because they do the same thing. But sensible environmental practices are becoming more commonplace, because they were promoted more rationally and sensibly and because there are logical, and moral justifications for adopting them. Christians could do a lot to further our/their causes if they'd try being a bit more caring, civil, and high-minded instead of over-excited and reactionary.
-Dan.
or, as folks used to say, you'll catch more flies with honey than you will with vinegar
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RE: I can only hope we find God again before it's too l... - 10/11/2008 10:12:52 PM
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Is that experience watching others or trying it yourself?
My 8+ years on this forum watching people try and shoehorn whatever they do into a walk with Christ...
Internet forums are not a reflection of reality. If I based my perceptions of reality on what I read in message boards, then I'd think that everybody in america wants to move cross-country to make $10/hr as a game tester, has enough money to buy several multi-thousand dollar microphones, and thinks Barack Obama is the anti-christ. Additionally, you can sit in here and rant and rave w/ little to no consequence - heck, you'll probably find some like minds. The "outside" isn't quite the same. Go out and actually talk to people; you might see things differently afterwards.
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RE: I can only hope we find God again before it's too l... - 10/12/2008 1:55:24 AM
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SonInMe1
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We must learn to accept people for who they are, just as Jesus did.
This is a falsehood. Jesus condones no one's sin. Jesus confronted many with their sins. He told them to go and sin no more. Jesus rebuked even His own disciples, satan get away from me. When He sent them out amungst the people, He advised them if the people did not accept them to shake the dust from their feet and leave.
There is no doubt a more effective witness is one that is in truth and love...but there is no love without the truth part. 1 Cor. 13:6 if I remember correctly.
The problem I have with this article is the fallacy that public places all reject Christ. You CAN pray in school, legally, as long as it is not school supported prayer, and I support that. You can take a bible to school. You can have christian assiciations at school. Your local government can put up christmas ornaments.
Its only your local school board or government that might not want these things and that is because...of the silent christians in that community.
Unfortunately many christian organizations make too many unfounded claims on these issues, firing up their constituencies on problems that largely do not exist.
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You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.
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RE: I can only hope we find God again before it's too l... - 10/12/2008 11:34:37 AM
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SovereignIsHe
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Is that experience watching others or trying it yourself?
My 8+ years on this forum watching people try and shoehorn whatever they do into a walk with Christ...
Internet forums are not a reflection of reality. If I based my perceptions of reality on what I read in message boards, then I'd think that everybody in america wants to move cross-country to make $10/hr as a game tester, has enough money to buy several multi-thousand dollar microphones, and thinks Barack Obama is the anti-christ. Additionally, you can sit in here and rant and rave w/ little to no consequence - heck, you'll probably find some like minds. The "outside" isn't quite the same. Go out and actually talk to people; you might see things differently afterwards.
-Dan.
So that means I should discount what you say as well, correct?
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Proverbs 29:12 If a ruler hearken to lies, all his servants are wicked.
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RE: I can only hope we find God again before it's too l... - 10/12/2008 11:36:17 AM
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Christian morals will never be as popular as they should be, but Christians and Christian PR machines could help themselves by not ranting and raving at the drop of a hat or employing fear-mongering as their primary debate tactic. Nobody takes seriously the far-left enviro-nuts, because they do the same thing. But sensible environmental practices are becoming more commonplace, because they were promoted more rationally and sensibly and because there are logical, and moral justifications for adopting them. Christians could do a lot to further our/their causes if they'd try being a bit more caring, civil, and high-minded instead of over-excited and reactionary.
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or, as folks used to say, you'll catch more flies with honey than you will with vinegar
Actually it's not about catching that is generally going one, but acceptance of ungodly things into the Body of Christ for the sake of a false unity...
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Proverbs 29:12 If a ruler hearken to lies, all his servants are wicked.
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RE: I can only hope we find God again before it's too l... - 10/12/2008 12:08:57 PM
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So that means I should discount what you say as well, correct?
To a degree, yeah. At the very least, be skeptical of it and go try interacting with real people and see if what I say is true.
-Dan.
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Well, I've been to one world fair, a picnic, and a rodeo, and that's the stupidest thing I ever heard come over a set of earphones.
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