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RE: What is Sarah Palin Hiding? - 10/10/2008 10:38:23 PM
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adelphi_sky
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ORIGINAL: landabee
Inthysite, they found that there was a valid reason to let him go.
What they dispute is the personal and contentious manner utilized. They also alluded to some strong arming.
Basically, she could have been very objective and just released him from duty. But she made it personal. It was retribution for a nasty divorce from Mrs. Palin's sister.
That is where the ethics issue comes in: her personal life events tainting what should have been an action that was subjective and in the best of the common good.
Hope my ramble makes sense. 
My contention is more with the wording of their findings I guess. When they say that the firing was proper then that word contradicts the meaning of unethical.
prop·er
–adjective
1. adapted or appropriate to the purpose or circumstances; fit; suitable: the proper time to plant strawberries.
2. conforming to established standards of behavior or manners; correct or decorous: a very proper young man.
3. fitting; right: It was only proper to bring a gift.
4. strictly belonging or applicable: the proper place for a stove.
5. belonging or pertaining exclusively or distinctly to a person, thing, or group.
6. strict; accurate.
unethical
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not conforming to approved standards of social or professional behavior; "unethical business practices" [ant: ethical]
You can do something that is within your right, but HOW you do it is another matter.
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RE: What is Sarah Palin Hiding? - 10/10/2008 11:10:27 PM
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Bill Clinton has an adulterous sexual affair in the Oval Office and all the liberals want to look the other way, turn the other cheek and say "it was only sex..."
There is nothing illegal or unethical about that. What his problem happened to be was perjury. That there was no excuse for.
I don't have the slightest problem either with this trooper getting fired. I do have a problem with something like the refusal to turn everything over after the subpoena.
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RE: What is Sarah Palin Hiding? - 10/10/2008 11:21:22 PM
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Bill Clinton has an adulterous sexual affair in the Oval Office and all the liberals want to look the other way, turn the other cheek and say "it was only sex..."
There is nothing illegal or unethical about that. What his problem happened to be was perjury. That there was no excuse for.
I don't have the slightest problem either with this trooper getting fired. I do have a problem with something like the refusal to turn everything over after the subpoena.
If what Bill did wasn't unethical what does the word mean these days?
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RE: What is Sarah Palin Hiding? - 10/11/2008 12:13:10 AM
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Much kudos to the bipartisan, Republican majority, Alaskan senate committee for sticking to their guns and publishing the report as planned well before Palin was selected as the VP. They have had to deal with stonewalling from Palin (after initially promising to cooperate fully), and the full court press of the McCain/Palin campaign's team of lawyers including appeals to the Alaskan courts, and yet they did not buckle under the strain of the resistance they met from one who, for most of them, was one of their own party.
We shall see what fallout results from the publication. I doubt it will hurt much, but it certainly can't help Palin or McCain at this stage, but at least the voters will be able to decide based on the facts and merits of the case. But if it does futher dent McCain's chances of winning, then he has only himself to blame. He knew (or should have known) that the inquiry was underway and what the result was likely to be. If he didn't, or bet that they could delay the proceedings till after the election, then more fool him.
Palin was not the only pick he could have made to energize the base. Bobby Jindal probably would have had the same effect, and not been a liability in front of reporters. Ah, what might have been...
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RE: What is Sarah Palin Hiding? - 10/11/2008 12:21:19 PM
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The bad news for both McCain and Palin politically to come out of this situation is that both will be peppered with questions related to the ethics findings all weekend, and perhaps into early next week.
And everything that keeps this ticket off message between now and the next 24 days, is something they cannot afford to let happen.
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RE: What is Sarah Palin Hiding? - 10/11/2008 12:38:37 PM
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And everything that keeps this ticket off message between now and the next 24 days, is something they cannot afford to let happen.
Since there is no message for this ticket to keep to, that's not going to be hard to do anyway. Unless, of course, "We have abandoned all principles of capitalism and the free market in a last-ditch, desperate bid to buy the electorate's votes with unconstitutional, socialist intervention in the marketplace" is a message.
McCain is a panderer. Palin is his tool.
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RE: What is Sarah Palin Hiding? - 10/11/2008 1:24:47 PM
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Not sure if anyone here will be interested in my observations after reading the Branchflower (PDF) "Troopergate" report that's online, but here it is. The report is repetitious & long-winded, but does have some interesting insights into the Palin administration. A couple of things I got out of reading the report:
Some off Palin's political appointees are hacks, others just not very bright. Her style of government is more slipshod than slipstream. I would not be surprised if the people of Alaska have a mess on their hands when she leaves office.
Very professional (and loyal) law enforcement people, talented & smart too. Their reward? A smaller raise than the other branches (5% instead of 5.5%). Really speaks about the lady's spite.
That must of been one nasty divorce; The Palins were obsessed with Trooper Wooten, to the point of using their political appointees to harass their career employees in State Government over this one guy. Repeatedly. The Palin's "Wooten's threats" claims could not be substantiated, nor were they considered credible because the Govenor disbanded her security detail for "lack of need" after she took office.
Todd Palin - Over 50% of the time his wife was working, he was outside her office with his own "office" at a conference table. His activities including involvement in numerous government e-mails and attending high level staff meetings is disturbing. There was no accoutability for his actions.
(I posted some of this stuff on the Daily Kos under my alter-ego TrojanHusker)
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The bad news for both McCain and Palin politically to come out of this situation is that both will be peppered with questions related to the ethics findings all weekend, and perhaps into early next week.
Actually, the real bad news about this is questions about competence -
Time Magazine
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Not only did people at almost every level of the Palin administration engage in repeated inappropriate contact with Walt Monegan and other high-ranking officials at the Department of Public Safety, but Monegan and his peers constantly warned these Palin disciples that the contact was inappropriate and probably unlawful. Still, the emails and calls continued — in at least one instance on recorded state trooper phone lines.
The state's head of personnel, Annette Kreitzer, called Monegan and had to be warned that personnel issues were confidential. The state's attorney general, Talis Colberg, called Monegan and had to be reminded that the call was putting both men in legal jeopardy, should Wooten decide to sue. The governor's chief of staff met with Monegan and had to be reminded by Monegan that, "This conversation is discoverable".
Monegan consistently emerges as the adult in these conversations, while the Palin camp displays a childish impetuousness and sense of entitlement.
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RE: What is Sarah Palin Hiding? - 10/11/2008 1:34:10 PM
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What puzzles me here is if Palin did not violate the law per se, but did violate the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act, then where does she stand exactly?
That's the 100,000 dollar question. 
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then where does she stand exactly?
She is standing as the next vise present of the USA and the first women
Off the record…
What would make her? ....2nd to the first lady.. Or first...I haven't been able to figure that one out yet...... 
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then where does she stand exactly?
Think about it... the GOP did not just pick Palin out of their hat, they already knew all about that situation way before she was invited to run for VP,
If there was any indication of a wrong doing, they would already have known about it.
What McCain is pointing out is the hidden things in the Obama camps, which means more than one,
……The question McCain is raising is why does Obama outright lie about them,
Now remember….these associations were not brought to light until AFTER the crisis,
Stretch your memory way back to the beginning even before the Primary’s,
Barrack was already setting that stage and making suggestions that the campaign should be run in respect… and yda yda yda,
…..that was because of all these things…. “that are now being exposed…
….so he goes back to that “trump card” that he planted in the beginning, and turns it around as a dirty debate…
But the funny thing about it people are falling for it; and he is still lying.
In my PO of course!
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RE: What is Sarah Palin Hiding? - 10/11/2008 1:40:59 PM
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The bad news for both McCain and Palin politically to come out of this situation is that both will be peppered with questions related to the ethics findings all weekend, and perhaps into early next week.
And everything that keeps this ticket off message between now and the next 24 days, is something they cannot afford to let happen.
Actually, it doesn't even seem to be much of a blip in this news cycle - partly because the report doesn't make any particularly damaging allegations.
What I find interesting is this; there is fairly universal agreement that the right thing would have been for Wooten to be fired; so apparently the big ethics violation was the concerted efforted to get the respective bureaucrats to do the right thing.
One could only wish Washington were this 'unethical'.
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RE: What is Sarah Palin Hiding? - 10/11/2008 1:44:26 PM
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What I find interesting is this; there is fairly universal agreement that the right thing would have been for Wooten to be fired; so apparently the big ethics violation was the concerted efforted to get the respective bureaucrats to do the right thing.
I'm surprised that people are this nonchalant about illegal and unethical abuse of process. Or maybe I shouldn't be surprised. For McCain supporters, the ends justifies the means.
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RE: What is Sarah Palin Hiding? - 10/11/2008 1:46:30 PM
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The bad news for both McCain and Palin politically to come out of this situation is that both will be peppered with questions related to the ethics findings all weekend, and perhaps into early next week.
And everything that keeps this ticket off message between now and the next 24 days, is something they cannot afford to let happen.
Actually, it doesn't even seem to be much of a blip in this news cycle - partly because the report doesn't make any particularly damaging allegations.
What I find interesting is this; there is fairly universal agreement that the right thing would have been for Wooten to be fired; so apparently the big ethics violation was the concerted efforted to get the respective bureaucrats to do the right thing .
One could only wish Washington were this 'unethical'.
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Actually, it doesn't even seem to be much of a blip in this news cycle - partly because the report doesn't make any particularly damaging allegations.
Agreed, can you imagine if they press that issue how many politicians away from this debate would be subject to allegations?’
There would none left in office!
IMHO
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RE: What is Sarah Palin Hiding? - 10/11/2008 1:52:00 PM
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What I find interesting is this; there is fairly universal agreement that the right thing would have been for Wooten to be fired; so apparently the big ethics violation was the concerted efforted to get the respective bureaucrats to do the right thing.
I'm surprised that people are this nonchalant about illegal and unethical abuse of process. Or maybe I shouldn't be surprised. For McCain supporters, the ends justifies the means.
The partisan committee stated they felt she did something unethecal, but they did not even reccomed nor refer it to a legal investagation; so illegality was never an issue.
I guess you libs are just hoping against hope.
Politics, pure and simple.
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RE: What is Sarah Palin Hiding? - 10/11/2008 1:52:33 PM
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.... apparently the big ethics violation was the concerted efforted to get the respective bureaucrats to do the right thing.
By the unelected "First Dude".
Sounds like you'd have no problem with Todd Palin in a White House cabinet post.
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RE: What is Sarah Palin Hiding? - 10/11/2008 1:56:20 PM
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The bad news for both McCain and Palin politically to come out of this situation is that both will be peppered with questions related to the ethics findings all weekend, and perhaps into early next week.
And everything that keeps this ticket off message between now and the next 24 days, is something they cannot afford to let happen.
Actually, it doesn't even seem to be much of a blip in this news cycle - partly because the report doesn't make any particularly damaging allegations.
What I find interesting is this; there is fairly universal agreement that the right thing would have been for Wooten to be fired; so apparently the big ethics violation was the concerted efforted to get the respective bureaucrats to do the right thing.
One could only wish Washington were this 'unethical'.
Yes. The real question is, why wasn't Wooten fired? In all that I have read on this, what has struck me is the remarkable restraint that Palin and her husband exhibited.
Todd Palin did what any man would do when his family is threatened. He tried to get those who had the power to do the right thing, to do the right thing. He went to everyone he could to plead for the safety of his family. A plea that in another place and time would have been unnecessary, as the family men would have already taken care of the situation.
As they say, "Common sense is not all that common anymore".
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RE: What is Sarah Palin Hiding? - 10/11/2008 1:57:02 PM
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I guess you libs are just hoping against hope.
I'm very far from a liberal. In fact, it's the overt Marxism of the McCain/Palin ticket why I have decided to vote for Bob Barr.
It's not hoping against hope. The findings were that, whether the man deserved to be fired or not, the proper procedures were unethically circumvented.
Supporters of this can try to disguise the fact that they are upholding principles of situational ethics and the ends justifying the means. They only delude themselves, however.
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RE: What is Sarah Palin Hiding? - 10/11/2008 2:55:12 PM
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By the unelected "First Dude".
Sounds like you'd have no problem with Todd Palin in a White House cabinet post.
Did you have a problem with Hillary's work on behalf of the Clinton Administration?
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RE: What is Sarah Palin Hiding? - 10/11/2008 2:56:22 PM
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I'm surprised that people are this nonchalant about illegal and unethical abuse of process. Or maybe I shouldn't be surprised. For McCain supporters, the ends justifies the means.
I am suprised that people nonchalantly defend a system that apparently protects abusive cops.
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RE: What is Sarah Palin Hiding? - 10/11/2008 4:53:41 PM
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Think about it... the GOP did not just pick Palin out of their hat, they already knew all about that situation way before she was invited to run for VP,
If there was any indication of a wrong doing, they would already have known about it.
True, McCain knew about the firing but thought that Palin had been rehabilitated.
I believe Barbara Walter's can verify this as well.
We can be assured that under Obama, all police officers that tazer their kids will remain safely in their jobs. Those that protect such officers can also rest safe.
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RE: What is Sarah Palin Hiding? - 10/11/2008 7:17:51 PM
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Actually, it doesn't even seem to be much of a blip in this news cycle...
Really what news station have you been watching because this has been talked about since yesterday evening?.. oh wait Fox News, never mind, answered my own question.
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RE: What is Sarah Palin Hiding? - 10/11/2008 7:20:14 PM
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Jhud
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Really what news station have you been watching because this has been talked about since yesterday evening?.. oh wait Fox News, never mind, answered my own question.
I forget, a lotta people don't read their news.
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RE: What is Sarah Palin Hiding? - 10/11/2008 7:29:06 PM
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The guy tasered an 11-year-old.
I would hope that my governor would fire a state trooper that did that too, who cares if they're related. Anyone who tasers and 11 year old obviously lacks the good judgement to be a trooper.
So if she tried to get him fired in an illegal manner that would ok? She gets to ignore the law because it's inconvenient to her?
I'm not defending the trooper, I'm just saying that there are rules and laws that have to be followed in the matter of the firing. If she broke the rules or the law in that regard then she needs to be held accountable for that. No one is above the law.
Based on the report that was issued Palin did nothing that was illegal although the committee did find that she abused her power.
Will you be issuing an apology over the slander/libel shown above?
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RE: What is Sarah Palin Hiding? - 10/11/2008 7:31:24 PM
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Or comprehend it.
Exactly; it's the youtube generation which make the tv generation look like geniuses.
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RE: What is Sarah Palin Hiding? - 10/11/2008 7:33:41 PM
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Bill Clinton has an adulterous sexual affair in the Oval Office and all the liberals want to look the other way, turn the other cheek and say "it was only sex..."
There is nothing illegal or unethical about that. What his problem happened to be was perjury. That there was no excuse for.
I don't have the slightest problem either with this trooper getting fired. I do have a problem with something like the refusal to turn everything over after the subpoena.
I take it then that you have no problem siding with the folks that are suing BO and have a Discovery Motion that is being ignored
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RE: What is Sarah Palin Hiding? - 10/11/2008 7:37:49 PM
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She's doing great if this is the only dirt anybody can dig up on her! Not to mention shes the only one who can talk and stare the camera/american public straight in the eye.
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