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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/12/2008 10:28:39 AM
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The above is just what I,m thinking about. A division of ideas. The urnbans forget where all that food comes from. Ruirals tend to forget where their car and tractor parts come from,(but often can make it work anyhow),and on an on it goes.
Of course the division goes much deeper than that. To suggest rurals would lose lets one assume urbans believe that rurals don't matter. Much like Obama's belief that they cling to their religon and guns. But notice just in thi thread how the name urbans,rurals has appeared. The conservative Christian minority? Do Tell!
I grew up and live in a rural area 80 miles from DFW. I've been in the "public safety" arena for 26 plus yrs. The division of conservative/liberal, urban/rural, pro govt./anti govt is very clear in both places.
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/12/2008 10:42:24 AM
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I suppose the Communist were right. That this country would be taken over without firing a bullet. People wake up.
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/12/2008 11:16:33 AM
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Reagan led this nation by winning in a landslide and providing true leadership on issues.
Obama or McCain are incapable of doing either. The next 4 years, no matter who wins, will not produce much of anything. The malaise will continue and ther next president will be just as inept.
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/12/2008 11:37:38 AM
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The above is just what I,m thinking about. A division of ideas. The urnbans forget where all that food comes from. Ruirals tend to forget where their car and tractor parts come from,(but often can make it work anyhow),and on an on it goes.
Of course the division goes much deeper than that. To suggest rurals would lose lets one assume urbans believe that rurals don't matter. Much like Obama's belief that they cling to their religon and guns. But notice just in thi thread how the name urbans,rurals has appeared. The conservative Christian minority? Do Tell!
I grew up and live in a rural area 80 miles from DFW. I've been in the "public safety" arena for 26 plus yrs. The division of conservative/liberal, urban/rural, pro govt./anti govt is very clear in both places.
Cog, like you, I am in public safety. Unlike you, I grew up in an urban environment, have lived most of my adult life living in Alaska, but still in an urban environment, and now live in a truly rural area surrounded by farms. I have no desire to ever go back to city living.
Having been raised in LA in the 1970's I was fed the mantra of the environmentalist movement, animal rights, and a few other social movments. I was taught by the school system and the media that we needed to conserve, that the trans-Alaska pipeline was a bad thing as it was going to disrupt nature, that trapping or killing animals for fur was cruel and unnecessary.
MOving to Alaska right out of high school, even living in the city of Fairbanks, I learned that much of what I'd been taught in school was a lie. The pipeline does not interfere with caribou migrations or prevent moose from roaming, that people still use fur to keep warm because it's been working for centuries and that killing animals provides food and shelter.
The way I see it is that we now have several generations of people who are so far removed from how the natural world works that they have no means of comprehending it. Sure, some may get the occasional camping experience, but their survival is not at stake. MOst of what they see with regard to how nature works comes from the TV. And that can be slanted whichever way the producer likes.
As I've returned to the lower 48 and am raising my family in farm country, I am getting a new education on farm life. If the entire system were to shut down and everything cease operating as it does, it's these rural farmers who are going to survive. If they die off, it will be because the urban warriors will come seeking to take what they can to survive another day. Only, after they consume what the farmer harvested, they too will die off as they won't know how to make things work.
It's almost comical that the one thing that urban and rural have in common is TV, radio, and print media. Yet, to the urban resident, TV is reality. To the rural resident, TV is entertainment.
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/12/2008 1:54:28 PM
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Another Civil War? I don't think.......now if you want to talk about a revolution based on the same standards as the first Revolution back in 1776 (specifically taxation) then "Yeah" I think we will and it won't take much more of the pandering and obscene spending by Congress to set it off
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/12/2008 2:13:28 PM
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It's almost comical that the one thing that urban and rural have in common is TV, radio, and print media. Yet, to the urban resident, TV is reality. To the rural resident, TV is entertainment.
You didn't make a case for that at all. You just blithely asserted it. Here, I'll do the same: To the rural resident, TV is reality. To the urban resident, Starbucks and wi-fi is. TV is, with the advent of the internet, being relegated to a supplemental role.
And farmers get way too much respect. The farm lobby is insanely powerful, represented by a few big firms, and advocate policies that are incredibly harmful to American people (high fructose corn syrup? Ethanol?). The American family farmer is on its way out, from the few isolated pockets where they still exist. The better agricultural tech gets, the more urban the farmer becomes.
Hypotheticals about "the system shutting down" aren't particularly useful. They're fun, like zombie apocalypse scenarios, but they're... well, they're like zombie apocalypse scenarios. Not something that the productive mind needs to mull over, it's mostly a justification for buying that extra gas-powered chainsaw.
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/12/2008 2:24:57 PM
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I don't think we will have a civil war in the sense of the war between states in 1860. I see American just imploding on itself thus being destoryed from within like other empires have been As a history major I never cease to be amazed at how history just repeats itself and we never seem to learn. America will fall, sooner of later, and think we are indestructable will only hasten our own demise.
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/12/2008 2:47:32 PM
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I don't think we will have a civil war in the sense of the war between states in 1860. I see American just imploding on itself thus being destoryed from within like other empires have been As a history major I never cease to be amazed at how history just repeats itself and we never seem to learn. America will fall, sooner of later, and think we are indestructable will only hasten our own demise.
perhaps the first lesson we ignored was in building the empire in the first place
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/12/2008 3:06:19 PM
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I would say an actual civil war is highly unlikely. Primarily due to the fact that it's a technological impossibility to compete with the technology our own forces have. Civil war is possible when you have guys with muskets fighting the military with muskets. Civil war is basically impossible when you have guys with hunting rifles versus guys with attack helicopters, mortars, and tomahawk missiles. I mean, the only reason the original civil war managed to get off the ground was massive importation of top-of-the-line weaponry from Europe. There's no way that could be done quickly enough in this day and age, without raising alarms.
I would say that it is far more likely that there will be a rise in domestic insurgency, including domestic terrorism, amongst the fringe elements of each side.
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/12/2008 3:10:26 PM
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I don't think we will have a civil war in the sense of the war between states in 1860. I see American just imploding on itself thus being destoryed from within like other empires have been As a history major I never cease to be amazed at how history just repeats itself and we never seem to learn. America will fall, sooner of later, and think we are indestructable will only hasten our own demise.
perhaps the first lesson we ignored was in building the empire in the first place
No. The first lesson we ignored was making our citiznery so dependent on the government to solve all our problems. We never created an empire. The idea that we ever did exists in the minds of those who fear reality and refuse to look at things as they actually are.
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/12/2008 3:56:19 PM
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I don't think we will have a civil war in the sense of the war between states in 1860. I see American just imploding on itself thus being destoryed from within like other empires have been As a history major I never cease to be amazed at how history just repeats itself and we never seem to learn. America will fall, sooner of later, and think we are indestructable will only hasten our own demise.
perhaps the first lesson we ignored was in building the empire in the first place
No. The first lesson we ignored was making our citiznery so dependent on the government to solve all our problems. We never created an empire. The idea that we ever did exists in the minds of those who fear reality and refuse to look at things as they actually are.
very much agree on the dependent on government situation...it has been disastrous...while it is true that America never created an empire as defined by dictionaries, we have maintained military bases around the globe and exercised economic influence to direct other nations concerning many different issues...mostly this was done to contain communism, insure peace, maintain freedoms, and other just reasons...it is referred to as "empire" because of the global impact of using economic power backed by military power to further American and western policies and influence...not out of "fear" but rather because this is how an "empire" sustains itself...perhaps the dictionaires should modernize their definition of the word..."quotes" were used only for emphasis
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/12/2008 4:18:19 PM
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No. The first lesson we ignored was making our citiznery so dependent on the government to solve all our problems. We never created an empire. The idea that we ever did exists in the minds of those who fear reality and refuse to look at things as they actually are.
Bingo! Give that man a prize.  It seems that we've lost the pioneering spirit that made us Americans. In trying to solve the problems of poverty, we've created a bunch of people who depend on handouts for survival. At the same time, we have created jobs that depend on those seeking assistance. Welfare workers are just as dependent on the clients they serve as their clients are on them.
Illustration: Several years ago I was supervising the probation of a woman who got probation for a very horrendous crime. Part of her sentence had her locked up in a mental facility for a lengthy time. She came out of the hospital and returned to the community and was doing quite well. I attended a meeting one day with all her providers, medical, mental health, social workers, etc. The woman explained that she had been attending a church and that people from the church were meeting her needs with things like rides to doctor's appointments, grocery shopping and the like. The social workers began telling her that she was going to have to begin using the system they had set up for her because the tax payers were paying for these services for her. The social workers were interfering with a support system this woman had built and trying to create another support system for her at tax payer expense. A system that will work until the government is no longer responsible for her (at which time they kick her to the curb).
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/12/2008 4:22:51 PM
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I would say an actual civil war is highly unlikely. Primarily due to the fact that it's a technological impossibility to compete with the technology our own forces have. Civil war is possible when you have guys with muskets fighting the military with muskets. Civil war is basically impossible when you have guys with hunting rifles versus guys with attack helicopters, mortars, and tomahawk missiles. I mean, the only reason the original civil war managed to get off the ground was massive importation of top-of-the-line weaponry from Europe. There's no way that could be done quickly enough in this day and age, without raising alarms.
I would say that it is far more likely that there will be a rise in domestic insurgency, including domestic terrorism, amongst the fringe elements of each side.
Zhi,
I find I must disaggree with you simply because you seem not to take into account the thousands of Viet Nam, Gulf War I and II veterans that exist in the country. Individuals with enough military background who probably have a very good idea where and how to get their hands on the resources they need, as well as how to use them efficiently.
You are failing to take into account the effect that that the President and our government in fact becoming an enemy of our country and the Constitution would have on our military.
That alone would send this country into chaos.
Yes, the President is in the chain-of-command as far as the miilitary goes, but military personal primarily take an oath to protect and defend the country AND the Constitution, as well as the ideals embodied in that document. In that regard, when the President or group of politicians take it upon themselves to act in CLEAR and UNMISTAKEABLE contradiction to the Constitution then (IMO) military personal are free to view them as a "domestic" enemy.
Granted, military personal who take this view would require a whole lot of support from civiians as well as their immediadte chain-of-command, which, by the time conditions get that bad, will not be much trouble getting.
Now, if what I have said is wrong, I would appreciated someone enlightening me why and how I am wrong.
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/12/2008 5:45:38 PM
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Zhi
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I find I must disaggree with you simply because you seem not to take into account the thousands of Viet Nam, Gulf War I and II veterans that exist in the country. Individuals with enough military background who probably have a very good idea where and how to get their hands on the resources they need, as well as how to use them efficiently.
You are failing to take into account the effect that that the President and our government in fact becoming an enemy of our country and the Constitution would have on our military.
That alone would send this country into chaos.
Yes, the President is in the chain-of-command as far as the miilitary goes, but military personal primarily take an oath to protect and defend the country AND the Constitution, as well as the ideals embodied in that document. In that regard, when the President or group of politicians take it upon themselves to act in CLEAR and UNMISTAKEABLE contradiction to the Constitution then (IMO) military personal are free to view them as a "domestic" enemy.
Granted, military personal who take this view would require a whole lot of support from civiians as well as their immediadte chain-of-command, which, by the time conditions get that bad, will not be much trouble getting.
Now, if what I have said is wrong, I would appreciated someone enlightening me why and how I am wrong.
The idea that the entire government COULD become some ruthless cabal is kind of odd, so I'm not sure how you would expect that sort of scenario to play out.
Let's look at what would be necessary.
First, a Presidential candidate would have to manage to sneak his desire to become emperor past the American people during the election, which I suppose is possible. But then, he would only have 4 years to get that plan far enough into action... without people noticing... before the next elections. He would have to kill Presidential term limits before the election following, or else he's out.
In the meantime, this hypothetical Presidente would have to have complete control over both houses of Congress... not merely in the "my political party is in the majority" sense, but in the "my political party is not only in the majority, but has at least a 60% majority, PLUS that majority all support me in my bid to become emperor of the US". That's kind of unlikely.
Even if he got that far, he would still have the Supreme Court, product of previous administration after previous administration, to contend with. And then he would have the armed forces, who would probably definitely have a problem with the President violating the Constitution to unleash them on our own country (not to mention that we're talking their own families and so forth, who they would not want to shoot at.)
Then, maybe you would get a civil war.
So, unless we're expecting a "Jericho" situation (like in the TV show, where every major city starts out by being nuked and the government is left in shambles without the checks and balances that prevent this sort of thing), I really don't see it happening.
Politically, the only reason the first Civil War was capable of happening was the fact that the federal concentration of power had not yet happened (on top of the technological reasons I already listed. In this day and age, it would have been over within a couple of days.)
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/12/2008 5:54:58 PM
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I don't know if it will be a Civil War as much as a Revolution. I don't even know if it will be a left vs right thing either. The lines are becoming more blurred in that. Also, the Civil War before was pretty well defined geographically. I don't know that it would be this time. But as far as a revolution would go. It is the reason the 2nd amendment is so important. I am getting to the point that I would like to reprint the Declaration of Independence, gather as many signatures as I can for it, and deliver it to Washington.
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/12/2008 5:56:27 PM
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sue244
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he idea that the entire government COULD become some ruthless cabal is kind of odd, so I'm not sure how you would expect that sort of scenario to play out.
One Word: ROME
Rome hated the idea of having a King, and Prided themselves on their republic form of Govt. and yet even they ended up with an all powerful Empior.
History tells us how it happens, promise the masses, food, money, and power. It has happened time and time again throughtout history, and it is just arrogance, and igrorance to think it can't happen here in America.
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/12/2008 6:29:46 PM
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One Word: ROME
Rome hated the idea of having a King, and Prided themselves on their republic form of Govt. and yet even they ended up with an all powerful Empior.
History tells us how it happens, promise the masses, food, money, and power. It has happened time and time again throughtout history, and it is just arrogance, and igrorance to think it can't happen here in America.
Well, Rome didn't really have the checks and balances thing going on as much, especially the court system. Really, they only had the legislative branch of Senators which wasn't even an elected office (except in a very vague sense of occasionally having to do with who got elected to what other positions, when it wasn't a matter of just having a lot of money, having been famous in the military, and/or having inherited the position), who also acted as the judicial branch. Senators were senators for life, which had its own issues. There was also the title of "consul", elected by the Senate, with a term of a single year, which was supposed to be pretty tame (generally taking care of city administration and occasionally handling a war... but they didn't really have anything like the Constitution to state what was and was not appropriate behavior). Furthermore, Rome was not really a republic. You only got to vote if you were a citizen of Rome, so it was more or less a huge oligarchy... net effect being that the average soldier and his family were not part of the republic and therefore did not consider it all that precious (they were from various Roman provinces). Even so, the first person to attempt to become emperor was assassinated by a group of Senators in an attempt to preserve the republic. The only reason the coup survived, therefore, is the fact that Julius had his adopted son waiting in the wings in command of a large portion of the army, with the help (well, not really direct help, but the resulting clash caused the people to be distracted from what was really going on, and solidified support of many Senators behind Octavius as a lesser evil more or less) of Marc Antony and another large portion of the army. This is not terribly surprising, as nepotism was rampant in Rome, and was one of the ways to become a Senator anyway...
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/12/2008 6:45:35 PM
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sue244
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While I agree there are many difference between Rome and America, no govt. is perfect or above being overthrown either from without throught civil war or revolution, or from within by a despot. I have great respect for the govt. that are founding fathers intended but I also realize the govt. we have today is no where close to what was intended.
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/12/2008 6:54:04 PM
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Well, I would point out that I didn't discount the possibility entirely. I merely noted that it would require a large portion of the government to be neutralized by someone within that government while hiding that fact from the American people (and by extension, the American military), which one would hope would be a highly unlikely situation. Given that the question was whether or not another Civil War is inevitable, I would hope that that would pretty much answer the question. Civil War = unlikely due to technological reasons, President deciding to be emperor = unlikely due to political reasons. Possible? Vaguely. Likely? Probably not. Inevitable? No.
It's far more likely that the fracturing we're seeing will resolve into insurgent activity by small, hidden, extremist factions of either side, which we have already seen on occasion.
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/12/2008 7:05:37 PM
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As I said before, I was once an individual who believed that America could not possibly go through another civil war or armed revolution by the citizenry. Maybe this kind of thinking comes with age, experience, and awareness of deteriorating conditions around you. I know that my thinking was changed by my grandfather in the 80s when he began talking about how America was headed downhill and the only way it was going to be stopped was through armed conflict because our politicians were no longer interested in the good of the country. This from a hardcore, lifelong, Reagon Republican who had lost faith in the ability and willingness of Congress to adequately address problems that faced this country.
I was in the military at that time and began seeing the military change to an all volunteer force, the military crack down on drug abuse, obesity and other matters that would hamper military rediness of military personal.
I remembered the stories about Nixon and of how close this country may actually have come to martial law before he decided to resign.
It would not take very much for a president to take full control of the government, especially if the way had already been prepared by politicians who have spent their whole adult lives in politics, and grew up in politically connected families. The only real question would probably be the military. Would the military support the president if he felt that the only way he could function as the head of state, and make the changes he felt needed to be made, would be through martial law?
I tend to believe that political debate and discussion, in this country, as well as the caliber of our politicians has deteriorated since the days of Nixon and that we are ever more finding ourselves dealing with politicians who are not affraid to put their political agenda, or the political agenda of their faction of a particular political party, ahead of the welfare of the country as a whole. Politicians who have increased their connections in the military, if not their power and authority over the military.
I am sorry if this sounds conspiratorial, but this country is not immune from armed revolution, or armed conflict to keep it and its ideals alive. Rome fell because it promised its people more than it could deliver. Our politicians have promised us and the rest of the world more than it is actually willing to deliver.
Instead of leading the world, we are retreating from it.
I am starting to ramble, and I believe someone wearing a uniform is knocking on the front door. 
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/12/2008 7:18:11 PM
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a rather long post leonfigg3 in which i think you show much insight...the recent economic situation and the proposal made by the administration which initially included absolutely zero oversight of the Secretary of the Treasury made me take a long deep breath and think NO WAY!!!!!!!...control the economy and you control the country...i still wonder whether this was an attempt to seize financial control and render the checks and balances system of government ineffective
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/13/2008 12:28:15 AM
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It is truly amazing the temperment expressed here. The gloom and doom. A civil war?
We have two candidates for the president who agree more than they disagree. McCain the closet liberal and Obama the liberal liberal. The republicans have moved more otward the left than in any previous time I can remeber and we are a divided nation???
I don't see it.
Gee, times might get just a little tough and we cry and whine and are about to elect the worst president in our history.
Fear not!!
There was much more unrest in this country in the 60's.
There were worse economic times in the 70's.
In the 80's our national climate was changed by an effective leader. The last time that happened was during the Depression.
9/11? I remember it. We reacted to an attack.
Now its 2008 and all of a sudden we are living in the worst times in all of history.
Baloney. Wake up.
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/13/2008 10:26:59 AM
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Wow. That has got to be one of the most racist posts I have ever seen on this forum, tracy.
I can only speak for myself, my family, and my friends, but it has never occurred to any of us to go lynch somebody. Not even in these hard economic times. What would be the point, exactly?
Being "healed" is a two way street, and you going around telling everyone that white people cause all the problems and just want to lynch blacks is definitely not working toward healing. If you want to know who's keeping racism alive, go look in a mirror.
I really don't see white vs. black violence becoming a civil war. If BO becomes President, it will require a lot of white people to vote for him too, and if he subsequently gets assassinated, even whites who aren't voting for him due to policy reasons will be outraged by the fact and will decry the act and call for justice for the perpetrators. It will be the entire country versus a few small racist groups, and those racist groups are definitely going to lose... law enforcement alone should be able to deal with them pretty easily.
I can tell you with confidence that if anybody tries to hurt our black neighbors just because they're black, we'll be the armed ones inside the house with them, helping protect them. Most whites I know feel the same way.
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/13/2008 11:05:02 AM
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Wow. That has got to be one of the most racist posts I have ever seen on this forum, tracy.
I can only speak for myself, my family, and my friends, but it has never occurred to any of us to go lynch somebody. Not even in these hard economic times. What would be the point, exactly?
You can look up the facts. Lynching went up during economic hard times.
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Being "healed" is a two way street, and you going around telling everyone that white people cause all the problems and just want to lynch blacks is definitely not working toward healing. If you want to know who's keeping racism alive, go look in a mirror.
I Tracy am responsible for every racist? I beg to differ. I say there was slavery in America and I'm considered racist for bringing up the past.
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I really don't see white vs. black violence becoming a civil war. If BO becomes President, it will require a lot of white people to vote for him too, and if he subsequently gets assassinated, even whites who aren't voting for him due to policy reasons will be outraged by the fact and will decry the act and call for justice for the perpetrators. It will be the entire country versus a few small racist groups, and those racist groups are definitely going to lose... law enforcement alone should be able to deal with them pretty easily.
You havent looked up the stats on racist groups. They are RISING. according to the FBI. What if the cops are racists? Who will they help?
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I can tell you with confidence that if anybody tries to hurt our black neighbors just because they're black, we'll be the armed ones inside the house with them, helping protect them. Most whites I know feel the same way.
I feel the same way about my white neighbors. But I don't think that is gonna stop a race war.
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RE: Do you think another Civil War inevitable? - 10/13/2008 12:15:05 PM
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It really amases me how many people, in America, are stuck in the past and convinced that nothing has changed in this country since the 60s or even as far back as the Civil War.
We are to learn from the past not be fixated on the past.
There probably isn't any other country on the face of this earth that isn't as equipted, or has demonstrated its ability to learn from its past as much as America has.
Will we ever totally eliminate racism or discrimination? No. It is part of human nature. It is part of our sin nature to be affraid of the unknown, the unfamiliar, that which is different from us or what we are familiar with.
Every people group that has come to America has been subject to some form of discrimination, hatred, and even violence at one time or another.
There even has been descrimination within the black community because some are too black and some are not black enough, or that some have made an effort to work with and even relate with whites while others have not. Granted blacks/Africa-American/ negroes has been the most oppressed and discriminated against in America but America and Americans have changed over the years more than it has remained the same.
The next civil war/ revolution is not going to be a race war. It will be chaos. It will be ev | | |
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