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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 1/1/2006 8:24:19 AM
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CoeurdeLeon_
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On the other hand, if that first marriage of his was a marriage to a divorced woman from a lawful marriage, then he would be free to marry not having been lawfully married but involved in an adulterous marriage.
The same with you. If he has a lawful wife still living then you are free to marry having not been lawfully married in God's eyes but involved in an adulterous marriage.
If both of his former marriages were to divorced women from lawful marriages, then his marriage to you is lawful and that which God has joined together that no man may put asunder because this would be the first lawful marriage for both of you.
Since he has been married twice, you have to find out if one of the wives still living is a lawful wife in God's eyes meaning that before the marriage they both had not previously been lawfully married or if they had, the formal lawful spouse has died.
Wow. I just wanted to say that this is one of the most incredible pieces of convoluted and confused logic I have ever seen. There is nothing here about redemption, only a single-minded, illogical, rabid, i-dotting, t-crossing devotion to your agenda. Where is God in this?
Puts "straining at gnats" in a whole new light. Thank you for proving, beyond doubt, that, whatever god you serve, it is NOT one of grace, love and mercy.
Thankfully, THE GOD that I, and others here, worship and follow is full of grace, loves us abundantly and is rich in mercy!
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 1/1/2006 8:41:39 AM
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Because of the ignorance to the fact that there existed in their culture a PREMARITAL divorce for fornication (not for adultery), multitudes have been deceived into believing that Jesus allows the postmarital divorce for adultery. If he had allowed the post marital divorce for adultery then he could not have so emphatically stated that what God has joined together, let not man put asunder.
I keep hearing reference to this....
Can you show me - in scripture, where it says this (in reference to the only premarital permission) about divorce?
All the scriptures I have seen and looked up show it to be in cases of marriage -both during betrothal and after the marriage ceremony.
Thanks
In Him and in His service...
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There is an example of this in Matthew 1. It's the account of Joseph and Mary.
v18-20
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit. Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not wanting to make her a public example, was minded to put her away secretly. But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream saying, "Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit."
1. Mary was betrothed to Joseph.
2.Before they came together she was found to be pregnant.
3.He did not want to make her a public example (by having her stoned) so he decided to put her away quietly.
4. Joseph was called her husband even though they were only in the betrothal phase of their marriage. They had not had the marriage ceremony or the consummation at that point, yet it still would have taken a divorce for them to be separated.
5. The reason that they could divorce in the betrothal period is because they had not yet become one flesh physically. Therefore that would leave him free to remarry. But to divorce and remarry after consummation would be then to sin against the one flesh union.
But the ONLY reason for divorce would be the fact the he thought Mary had slept with someone else.
This is an example of the exception clause in actuality. Fortunately Joseph listened to the angel of the Lord and didn't divorce her, or else we'd all be in trouble!
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 1/1/2006 9:16:41 AM
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On the other hand, if that first marriage of his was a marriage to a divorced woman from a lawful marriage, then he would be free to marry not having been lawfully married but involved in an adulterous marriage.
The same with you. If he has a lawful wife still living then you are free to marry having not been lawfully married in God's eyes but involved in an adulterous marriage.
If both of his former marriages were to divorced women from lawful marriages, then his marriage to you is lawful and that which God has joined together that no man may put asunder because this would be the first lawful marriage for both of you.
Since he has been married twice, you have to find out if one of the wives still living is a lawful wife in God's eyes meaning that before the marriage they both had not previously been lawfully married or if they had, the formal lawful spouse has died.
Wow. I just wanted to say that this is one of the most incredible pieces of convoluted and confused logic I have ever seen. There is nothing here about redemption, only a single-minded, illogical, rabid, i-dotting, t-crossing devotion to your agenda. Where is God in this?
Puts "straining at gnats" in a whole new light. Thank you for proving, beyond doubt, that, whatever god you serve, it is NOT one of grace, love and mercy.
Thankfully, THE GOD that I, and others here worship and follow, is full of grace, loves us abundantly and is rich in mercy!
Amen Sister! I serve a God who is understanding, mercy, grace and the list goes on and on but also most importantly has lots of forgiveness. And He tells us if we truly repent for our sins then they are washed away. He's the GOD I serve!
HALLELUJAH!!!
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 1/1/2006 9:25:07 AM
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There is an example of this in Matthew 1. It's the account of Joseph and Mary.
Divorce was needed for the betrothal, because it was viewed as married, but not consumated. (I think there is a previous post by Neuronstatic about it?)
Still, this only demonstrates the seriousness of betrothal, not the sole example of permissible divorce.
I would address your statements about language and the exception clause if I could truly understand what it was you were asking. It is convoluted and unclear. (to me at least)
The language that Jesus used in these scriptures is clear - to me, exception and all.
Both offenses required stoning, but if you will look at Jesus' treatment of the woman caught in the act of adultery... He did not advocate stoning - He advocated forgiveness. He did not address how she was to return to her marital condition, but called her to follow God.
God is more than laws, but He is just and Holy. He is also merciful and loving. Most of all, He desires that we seek after Him, have a relationship with Him.
The only requirement for salvation is this:
Romans 10:8-10
8 But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART"--that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,
9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 1/1/2006 10:46:09 AM
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Amen Sister! I serve a God who is understanding, mercy, grace and the list goes on and on but also most importantly has lots of forgiveness. And He tells us if we truly repent for our sins then they are washed away. He's the GOD I serve!
HALLELUJAH!!!
I'm glad that God gave me the opportunity to repent of my remarital adultery.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 1/1/2006 10:59:30 AM
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northstar
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There is an example of this in Matthew 1. It's the account of Joseph and Mary.
Divorce was needed for the betrothal, because it was viewed as married, but not consumated. (I think there is a previous post by Neuronstatic about it?)
Still, this only demonstrates the seriousness of betrothal, not the sole example of permissible divorce.
I would address your statements about language and the exception clause if I could truly understand what it was you were asking. It is convoluted and unclear. (to me at least)
The language that Jesus used in these scriptures is clear - to me, exception and all.
Both offenses required stoning, but if you will look at Jesus' treatment of the woman caught in the act of adultery... He did not advocate stoning - He advocated forgiveness. He did not address how she was to return to her marital condition, but called her to follow God.
God is more than laws, but He is just and Holy. He is also merciful and loving. Most of all, He desires that we seek after Him, have a relationship with Him.
The only requirement for salvation is this:
Romans 10:8-10
8 But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART"--that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,
9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
He told the woman at the well to "go and sin no more". The Biblical definition of sin is to "transgress the Law". Which Law? The Law of God. So basically He told her to go and transgress the Law no more.
And He is the one who said that remarriage is adultery. That is God's Law. Therefore to transgress God's law makes us sinners, and we are told to repent of sin which means to stop doing it.
We are told to turn from our wicked ways and to "do righteousness", which means to obey the law of God and to do His commandments...as well as trusting in Jesus for our salvation.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 1/1/2006 11:37:22 AM
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The only requirement for salvation is this:
Romans 10:8-10
8 But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART"--that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,
9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
Not quite true. You didn't fully read the next verse which says our belief results in righteousness.
A person's picture affects their performance.
How one views life etc, results in how one lives.
And one's belief in Jesus should affect the way that person lives.
The book of James is quite clear that faith without works is no faith at all.
James 2
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, "Depart in peace, be warmed and filled," but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. 18 But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe--and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness." And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. 25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 1/1/2006 11:43:47 AM
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northstar
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Amen Sister! I serve a God who is understanding, mercy, grace and the list goes on and on but also most importantly has lots of forgiveness. And He tells us if we truly repent for our sins then they are washed away. He's the GOD I serve!
HALLELUJAH!!!
Let me ask you then...what is "true repentance".
A mental assent that we're sinning and feeling sorry, yet not changing a single thing about our lifestyle thus carrying on the sin...
or...
agreeing with God that we've sinned and that we need to turn away from that sin and not do it anymore.
The Bible tells us to "turn away" from our unrighteous deeds, ie. stop doing them.
Is adultery righteous? Or should it be stopped?
If someone has an adulterous affair can they carry on in it and still be forgiven?
If someone in a homosexual "marriage" becomes a Christian, can he continue in that relationship or must he stop?
If Jesus says remarriage is adultery then it is. And adultery cannot be continued if one professes to be a Christian. We must walk in righteousness, and adultery is not righteousness.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 1/1/2006 11:49:06 AM
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One thing I feel needs to be emphasized....
DIVORCE/REMARRIAGE DOES NOT EQUAL ADULTERY!!
I beg to differ...
Matthew 5:32
and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.
Matthew 19:
9 And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for fornication, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery."
Luke 16
18 Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced from her husband commits adultery.
Mark 10
11 So He said to them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her. 12 And if a woman divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery."
All from Jesus' own lips.
Romans 7
2 For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress
And that one from Paul.
How could it be any clearer???
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 1/1/2006 1:11:06 PM
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Matthew 19:
9 And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for fornication, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery."
As I differ with you, using the same verse....
As also with the verses in 1 Corinthians....
We are arguing in circles.
It is clear to me what God is speaking to me and how He is at work in my life - ever so visibly - daily. He will deal with me as He will. He has been and is directing my steps from the path that led through a divorce that was not of my choosing, to a point of letting go, leading to a Christian man, divorced - not of his choosing. He continues to lead - allowing us to see the path to marry each other - without fear or guilt - or loss of salvation. My works that demonstrate my faith are visible in my life and how I live it. Judge less my salvation or my works and focus upon what God is calling you to do. Just as I am accountable for my choices and actions, so are you for yours. Remember - you cannot change hearts - only God can. God is in control of my life, my heart, my furture and my marriage - He guides my life - if you cannot see it - OR do not want to believe it - that is fine, but that doesn't make it any less true.
What are your thoughts about the use of sinful people in the geneology of Jesus? There are adulterers, prostitutes and other fallible, sinful people there...
Are you saying that I would have been more correct in having my cheating ex-spouse killed? So that I would be free to remarry?
This would be causing me to sin, just to justify your reasoning.
In the cases where you pulled the verses out of the previous post, it was considered adultery because the woman being married was the guilty spouse - not the innocent spouse.
I will argue this no longer with you. It does nothing to change my mind or yours and may only serve to damage other's perception of what living the Christian life is about.
In peace and may God bless you.
Amy
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 1/1/2006 1:15:59 PM
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hisway...
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Amen Sister! I serve a God who is understanding, mercy, grace and the list goes on and on but also most importantly has lots of forgiveness. And He tells us if we truly repent for our sins then they are washed away. He's the GOD I serve!
HALLELUJAH!!!
Let me ask you then...what is "true repentance".
A mental assent that we're sinning and feeling sorry, yet not changing a single thing about our lifestyle thus carrying on the sin...
or...
agreeing with God that we've sinned and that we need to turn away from that sin and not do it anymore.
The Bible tells us to "turn away" from our unrighteous deeds, ie. stop doing them.
Is adultery righteous? Or should it be stopped?
If someone has an adulterous affair can they carry on in it and still be forgiven?
If someone in a homosexual "marriage" becomes a Christian, can he continue in that relationship or must he stop?
If Jesus says remarriage is adultery then it is. And adultery cannot be continued if one professes to be a Christian. We must walk in righteousness, and adultery is not righteousness.
I will only reply this one time to say I am not a judging person as some are on this topic. I did not create my divorce! My ex was having one affair after another for years through the internet and I knew about it all the time, while praying and hoping that God would change his heart. But, he wanted out of the marriage. I did not sin!! I believe that God does not want others in my situation to live in pain and fear for the rest of their lives. He is a loving God!
We must STOP the hashing back and forth because until you know the entire situation of the people that live through divorce, the cause of it, then you have NO room to be talking. I am at my happiness then I've ever been during my 13 years of marriage. And if you MUST know I am still single but one day I pray that if it's God's Will then I'll remarry. There are remarriages that are ordain by God, like Hunterjumper777 and Neuronstatic.
Please stop the judging....
Answer this question from your heart, do you think God loves it when you judge others?
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 1/1/2006 1:51:07 PM
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Please stop the judging....
Answer this question from your heart, do you think God loves it when you judge others?
God tells us to JUDGE each other-----those who call themselves "brother" and "sister", not the world though(I Cor. 5). What He tells us NOT to do is judge while we are in sinful situations ourselves (judging in hypocrisy in other words---Mt. 7). How we are to "judge" is with gentleness, longsuffering and the measuringstick of our judgments is THE WORD OF GOD---TRUTH. We are NOT to judge/apply judgments based upon emotion, personal situations which contradict God's Will for us, etc. Judging righteous judgment does not mean that one must first have to suffer a particular situation in order to know how rightly counsel with the mind/heart of God..........It means that when we judge, it is in perfect alignment with His Word----which shows us His heart/motivations concerning His commandments for those who say they are followers. Many of His commands may seem "unfair, hard to handle, etc", but He knows what WILL produce fruit for the kingdom's sake. The Lord, while He cares for our "earthly life", looks beyond that, desiring eternal rewards for those who follow Him. Blessings in Him, Cindy
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 1/1/2006 2:02:57 PM
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Please stop the judging....
Answer this question from your heart, do you think God loves it when you judge others?
God tells us to JUDGE each other-----those who call themselves "brother" and "sister", not the world though(I Cor. 5). What He tells us NOT to do is judge while we are in sinful situations ourselves (judging in hypocrisy in other words---Mt. 7). How we are to "judge" is with gentleness, longsuffering and the measuringstick of our judgments is THE WORD OF GOD---TRUTH. We are NOT to judge/apply judgments based upon emotion, personal situations which contradict God's Will for us, etc. Judging righteous judgment does not mean that one must first have to suffer a particular situation in order to know how rightly counsel with the mind/heart of God..........It means that when we judge, it is in perfect alignment with His Word----which shows us His heart/motivations concerning His commandments for those who say they are followers. Many of His commands may seem "unfair, hard to handle, etc", but He knows what WILL produce fruit for the kingdom's sake. The Lord, while He cares for our "earthly life", looks beyond that, desiring eternal rewards for those who follow Him. Blessings in Him, Cindy
I do not see where it says that it's ok for Christians to judge in 1 Cor. 5.
Matthew 7:1
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged."
Matthew 7:2
"For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be mearsured to you."
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 1/1/2006 2:16:06 PM
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We must STOP the hashing back and forth because until you know the entire situation of the people that live through divorce, the cause of it, then you have NO room to be talking. I am at my happiness then I've ever been during my 13 years of marriage. And if you MUST know I am still single but one day I pray that if it's God's Will then I'll remarry. There are remarriages that are ordain by God, like Hunterjumper777 and Neuronstatic.
Please stop the judging....
Answer this question from your heart, do you think God loves it when you judge others?
Everyone has their opinions of what is right, and what isn't right...most can look to circumstances and try to understand...others don't feel that has anything to do with anything.
People need to read and feel what is said, and live your life as you feel drawn when listening for that input from God's messages that he sends back. There will always be those that state you heard wrong if they don't believe the same, or that they read into the word differently.
I think it is just life. People are always going to see things, feel things different. I think that is as it should be. People and circumstances are just custom. Some will feel that you must live this cookie cutter lifestyle as they read from the word, and others see different messages and find that non-cookie cutter lifestyles bare more fruit for their God this way. I think overall God is pleased with both if he sees and feels that people are doing their best to live as they feel he would wish them to.
People have strengths and weakness, and God will help you work on those and maybe at times change them. He also knows that somethings may never change, and he accepts them when no one else will. That is an awesome thing!
Check your heart, Read the Word, Listen to those messages that are being sent within. If you pray and you know this is the way...don't worry about all the others that say you are wrong! You can always listen and hear with an open mind, but if you know that isn't the way for your life...go with what God draws you to and don't worry so much about other's opinions of what is right.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 1/1/2006 2:23:22 PM
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Honestly, while I can have compassion for those who have been through terrible situations, all the compassion in the world makes no difference to what the Bible says.
God does not say remarriage is adultery except in *your*(insert name here) situation...I feel more sorry for you than anyone else so I'll waive my just, holy and righteous standard just for you.
No way. God's standard is the same for anyone, regardless of what has or hasn't happened.
And He will call us all to account for whether we've followed His Word or not (in everything, not just this subject).
Oh well...
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 1/1/2006 2:48:53 PM
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"When tribulation or persecution arises for the words sake, should we call that being punished?"
So a person who is in an abusive relationship should stay in it for the word's sake because it "really isn't hurting them", and likewise if they do leave the should remain for the rest of their lives alone and childless simply because they married someone who was abusive? If this is what you're saying I do not think you have ever been in such a relationship. To walk in my shoes would likely change your viewpoint, no matter how much you say you stick to the law (while disregarding the spirit thereof).
This reminds me of a New Life broadcast I once heard where good Christian men asserted that whatever we choose in life (for those who are Saved), God can use that and does forgive. Not that that is a license to sin, but that if we are stuck between a rock and a hard place and must therefore choose the lesser of two evils, God is not standing ready to strike us down or condemn us because we had no other choice before us. This is my situation...to stay and continue to be emotionally abused (just as real and perhaps even more damaging than physical abuse in many ways) or to leave. God is not waiting at the door to point His finger at me in condemnation. It seems that many here would take that position, however, which is sad.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 1/1/2006 3:08:13 PM
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Alaska,
I have removed your post where you responded to anngelbells' question about whether or not she is living in adultery. You may debate the issue all you want, but if you begin responding to people's personal situations by telling them they are in adultery, you have violated the Terms of Service for unwelcome spiritual counsel.
Anngelbells, please don't ask questions that could turn it into a debate over your personal situation.
Everyone, please remember to attack issues and not people.
Sincerely,
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 1/1/2006 3:09:59 PM
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I do not see where it says that it's ok for Christians to judge in 1 Cor. 5.
Matthew 7:1
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged."
Matthew 7:2
"For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be mearsured to you."
Please read down to verse 5: "Thou hypocrit, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye"
Concerning I Cor.5, the "judging part starts in verse 11-12 and then goes into chapter 6.........yes we ARE to judge matters WITHIN the church and deal with them according to what is spoken in the Word of God. Blessings in Him, Cindy
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 1/1/2006 3:18:15 PM
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God is not waiting at the door to point His finger in condemnation. It seems that many here would take that position, however, which is sad.
No, you are quite wrong. Many who believe in the permanency and sanctity of the "one flesh" marriage joined by God do NOT believe that abuse is AOK with God. What many of us have issue with is the mindset that if someone "feels" abused or actually is, then they now have the freedom not only to "depart" (I Cor. 7:10-11), now they feel they have the right to be joined with another partner who may be "nicer", more "godly", etc. Scripture is very clear that if a woman DOES depart, she is to remain UNMARRIED ir be reconciled to her husband. She is NOT free to marry another and if she chooses to do so, she will then enter into an adulterous relationship, since the LORD still views the "one flesh" marriage as binding. We can call ourselves remarried "legally", but that does not mean that God will recognize it as such. He is not bound to agree with us.........we are however, bound to agree with Him, if we truly do belong to Him. Blessings in Jesus, Cindy
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 1/1/2006 3:18:37 PM
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Consecrated2God
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Concerning I Cor.5, the "judging part starts in verse 11-12 and then goes into chapter 6.........yes we ARE to judge matters WITHIN the church and deal with them according to what is spoken in the Word of God. Blessings in Him, Cindy
Lastblast, you are correct, HOWEVER this is a forums, not a local church congregations. Those kinds of judging are not appropriate here.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 1/1/2006 3:19:57 PM
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lastblast
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ORIGINAL: Consecrated2God
Lastblast, you are correct, HOWEVER this is a forums, not a local church congregations. Those kinds of judging are not appropriate here.
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Lisa Luper
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What kind of judging Lisa, just so I'm clear here? Are you stating that we are not allowed to speak our convictions as to what the Word of God teaches and the applicable scriptures? Thank you. In Him, Cindy
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 1/1/2006 3:29:08 PM
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From the Terms of Service #10:
You will not disrupt the normal flow of dialog in chat or forums or act in a manner that negatively affects other members, including and perhaps especially in the defense of Christianity, in offering unwelcome spiritual counsel, or in debating doctrinal issues. - Respect someone's request if they say they don't believe in Christ or are doubting their faith and express that they do not wish to discuss it, don't try to "cram" Jesus down their throat. If another Christian disagrees with you theologically do not immediately jump to the conclusion that they are not truly saved just because they disagree, as there are differences of opinion in translating Biblical doctrine.
You may speak your convictions, but you may not offer unwelcome spiritual counsel to other users. You may say, "I believe it is sin to remarry". You may not say to a poster, "You are committing adultery by remarrying."
If you have further questions about this, please direct them to community@salemwebnetwork.com. Do not continue to discuss it here as it disrupts the conversation and takes it off topic.
Do not send me private messages regarding this matter.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 1/1/2006 4:15:00 PM
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lastblast
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You may speak your convictions, but you may not offer unwelcome spiritual counsel to other users. You may say, "I believe it is sin to remarry". You may not say to a poster, "You are committing adultery by remarrying."
I understand. Thank you. Blessings in Him, Cindy
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 1/1/2006 6:28:35 PM
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Alaska,
Thank you for replying to my questions. I had a chance to read your reply once this morning before it was deleted. I apologize for wording it in such a personal way. Perhaps I should have presented it as a hypothetical situation. Anyway, thanks for answering my questions. Your answers were what I expected - I just wanted to make sure I understood what you had been saying and how it applied to the situation I presented. I apologize to any and all that I did something somehow against the rules. As you can tell by my post count, I am very new here. I was asking for help/clarification, Alaska, and you gave it. Thank you.
Another question re this topic - Many on this thread have quoted/used Paul's writings to the early churches on these matters. Is it your understanding that Paul was telling those in the situation I presented earlier to leave/divorce a spouse that had been married before? Was that something that was required in the early churches? Would someone in this situation have to do this before becoming a Christian?
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 1/1/2006 7:30:26 PM
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ORIGINAL: anngelbells
Another question re this topic - Many on this thread have quoted/used Paul's writings to the early churches on these matters. Is it your understanding that Paul was telling those in the situation I presented earlier to leave/divorce a spouse that had been married before? Was that something that was required in the early churches? Would someone in this situation have to do this before becoming a Christian?
Anngelbells,
There is some info about the early church fathers at
http://www.marriagedivorce.com
You can check out this site for more study.
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cadz FAQ about Divorce & Remarriage
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Visit my audio website http://www.cadz.net to listen to broadcasts on Marriage & Divorce
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