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ORIGINAL: lastblast

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This is true… “IF” those involved would have known the Word of God beforehand
But what about the ones who do…are we to promote divorce?

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I am still not finding in the scriptures where repentance requires divorce?

So you are saying that if one is in an illicit relationship, repentance means staying in the relationship?

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Wow, Gypsy, I'm not sure which translation you use,

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And do you think the policeman (God) who caught this person speeding (adultery) @ 65 is going to give him credit for slowing down to 45 MPH and almost causing a greater mishap? (by divorcing) ?

This is what is says in the book I read

It would be a hit to all the law abiding married folks should people be allowed to divorce as a means of repentance, when 55 MPH (The cross) would have been sufficient enough.

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I am driving down the highway… the speed limit is 55 MPH and I am going 55 MPH, another car is passing me at 65 MPH and as he is passing me “we” notice in the bushes just ahead of us a police car taking radar.
All of a sudden this car pulls in from of me and hits his brakes and I almost hit him because he slowed down to 45 MPH when 55 would have been sufficient.

Is this fair to me being law abiding, almost taking a hit because of this person breaking the law? Because they thought slowing down to 45 MPH as an act of repentance would not draw attention to them as if attempting to gain some kind of a credit for breaking the law to begin with.

And do you think the policeman (God) who caught this person speeding (adultery) @ 65 is going to give him credit for slowing down to 45 MPH and almost causing a greater mishap? (by divorcing) ?

This is what is says in the book I read

It would be a hit to all the law abiding married folks should people be allowed to divorce as a means of repentance, when 55 MPH (The cross) would have been sufficient enough

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ORIGINAL: dkgnew

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I am driving down the highway… the speed limit is 55 MPH and I am going 55 MPH, another car is passing me at 65 MPH and as he is passing me “we” notice in the bushes just ahead of us a police car taking radar.
All of a sudden this car pulls in from of me and hits his brakes and I almost hit him because he slowed down to 45 MPH when 55 would have been sufficient.

Is this fair to me being law abiding, almost taking a hit because of this person breaking the law? Because they thought slowing down to 45 MPH as an act of repentance would not draw attention to them as if attempting to gain some kind of a credit for breaking the law to begin with.

And do you think the policeman (God) who caught this person speeding (adultery) @ 65 is going to give him credit for slowing down to 45 MPH and almost causing a greater mishap? (by divorcing) ?

This is what is says in the book I read

It would be a hit to all the law abiding married folks should people be allowed to divorce as a means of repentance, when 55 MPH (The cross) would have been sufficient enough

Hi Friends,
That analogy, like MOST ANALOGIES, does not sufficiently do justice to the question posted by Promiseland.
Divorce is/was not a SIN. Scripture has not called DIVORCE A SIN, but rather that certain kinds of divorce was sinful (regarding Motives of the heart). For thousands of years, even before there was a printed "New Testament" we live by and are still (or should be) living by the Moral laws of the Bible. The Moral laws are not
OLD TESTAMENT vs NEW TESTAMENT, if one cautiously and carefully research the scriptures, they should not seem contrary (i.e. Jesus gives an "exception", Paul says "a brother is not under bondage...if the unbelieving leaves"; Deut 24:4 says "its abominable if a woman returns to her Former spouse...." NOT THE DIVORCE ....!

Just like SPANKING a child is not a Sin, but it could be called ABUSE, if not handled appropriately, So is divorce. They're circumstances, and I believe Christ has given us his HOLY SPIRIT (and some good common sense) to be able to discern, when divorce is a reasonable option; Hence Deut. 24:1-5, Matt 19: 8-12, I Cor. 7:12-17; BUT if you look at Romans 7:1-4 and not read the rest of the chapter, You/I would be confused not realizing that Paul was trying to make analogy of the Law, (But as any good Student should know).
We do not live by Analogies because NO analogies are altogether Truth in AND of themselves, and are used to MAKE A POINT not BE THE POINT.

Be Blessed and Stay Blessed.

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We do not live by Analogies because NO analogies are altogether Truth in AND of themselves, and are used to MAKE A POINT not BE THE POINT.

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Christ has given us his HOLY SPIRIT (and some good common sense) to be able to discern, when divorce is a reasonable option;

That analogy, like MOST ANALOGIES, does not sufficiently do justice to the question posted by Promiseland.

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ORIGINAL: Fritzpw_Admin

This thread is being created in an attempt to condense the numerous threads on the topic.

When is divorce an acceptable option?

What does God think about divorce?

Is divorce a sin?

Does divorce make a person ineligible for ministry?

Engage in these and similar topics regarding divorce.

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ORIGINAL: ThePromisedLand

Hey JillyS,

I know it's hard but it would be helpful to scan the two threads on Divorce and Remarriage. Practically every answer to and for these things are there. In order to answer your questions here, would start another thread and trust me (smile) this question has been answered in every possible way on both sides.

I think the thread is worth going through because there are tons of scriptures on both sides and I think it gives a very complete view. I personally believe both sides are able to coexist. Not the extremes - no divorce under any circumstances and its sister, divorce for any and everything. There is a balance that can be arrived at.

Divorce is not the will of God and He established marriage to be permanent. Both spouses must love one another and strive to forgive each other in under some really terrible situations. Having said that, I also believe divorce happens and, as you said, is a necessity at times (the exception and not the rule). I believe very much in the balance between the permanence of marriage and the necessity of divorce.

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My marriage is hanging on by a tiny thread. I've written about that under the Marriage forum. When is divorce permitted? Some say for adultery only (those who usually say that will say that if there is physical abuse then its ok. But physical abuse isnt adultery....?)......Is divorce worse than an entire family being torn up by one persons obnoxious behavior and actions? Is it worse than emotionally damaged kids and deeply hurt extended family members? Is it worse than a woman so exhausted by years of marriage problems she can barely function? Some theologians say the law provided for divorce and its permissable at times. Some also say that Jesus words about it pertained to that day, in that women of that time were forced into sexual immorality to survive.......i'd appreciate the thoughts on this....

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ORIGINAL: hnt

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My marriage is hanging on by a tiny thread. I've written about that under the Marriage forum. When is divorce permitted? Some say for adultery only (those who usually say that will say that if there is physical abuse then its ok. But physical abuse isnt adultery....?)......Is divorce worse than an entire family being torn up by one persons obnoxious behavior and actions? Is it worse than emotionally damaged kids and deeply hurt extended family members? Is it worse than a woman so exhausted by years of marriage problems she can barely function? Some theologians say the law provided for divorce and its permissable at times. Some also say that Jesus words about it pertained to that day, in that women of that time were forced into sexual immorality to survive.......i'd appreciate the thoughts on this....

I took this from your post, and I also read the responses. I struggle with this type of thing myself, and I when I read people claiming we should suffer to the will of Christ in this way.....it really makes no sense to me. Why? In an ugly situation like this you are suffering for Christ - you are suffering because they spouse wants you to? Its to their benefit or Christ's? Its really hard to explain that no amount of 'love langange', 'communication' etc type of books cover this type of mindset. Its for the average couple, and it does have some awesome thought! Not all principals apply when you have someone that refuses to come out of denial of things. Its strange. There has to be a willingness first before anything can happen. LOL Like the saying goes you can drag the horse to the water, but you cant' make him drink!

When people start with the verses about submitting I tend to wonder why they also exclude the:

Eph 5:21 Submit yourselves to one another because of your reverence for Christ.

I mean it takes a whole new turn to the meaning of the rest of the passages that come after it. I personally feel that some are to afraid to get involved, and to hold anyone accountabile. People would be willing to come along side of people of course, but when you have one that is in denial of issues and refuses.....its like they abandon the cause of fellowship all together. I realize they maybe praying for the parties, but fleeing from the situation just makes no sense. I guess they figure God is only one that can handle it, and move on. They tend to forget that the fellowship with the party that is left could really benefit them.

All I can say is pray and read the word for yourself - answers will come! Find fellowship with others that listen and not just shame. When you are down a bit of uplifting helps ya know?

Its like one of the bible studies I attended said: You have balcony people and you have basement people. Balcony people uplift, and basement people are negative type. Seek out some Balcony people, and allow them to help you with answers, along with the word of God.

I think James 3 1-18 speaks of the kind of behavior you are talking about. God condemns it.

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When is a divorce actually considered a divorce?
Is it when one spouse moves out or is it when the final papers are signed?
I think legally it's when the papers are signed.
What about Biblically?

Also, who is actually doing the divorcing- the person who moves out or the person who does the paperwork?