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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/24/2007 2:12:15 PM
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Blessed,
GREAT post!! So many good things presented for all of us to ponder.......... 
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/24/2007 2:32:32 PM
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Greetings
I am confused… You said that these divorced couples, in “your humble opinion”, had not been really married.
And Divorce is legal but not spiritual at all.
In other words are you saying that they were just fornicating under the image of being married by a court of Law?
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This relationship will not fly with the wind once the divorce is granted by the court of law.
If it was the same court of Law that divorced them… and that does not float in the eyes of God,
In like manner it was also the same court of Law that married them,
..I mean just because they were married by the same court of Law dose not necessarily mean that they were married in the eyes of God also… for your statements to be true…. that the relationship will not fly with the wind once the divorce is granted by the court of law… simply because there was no proof that it flew when they were married.
God knows the end from the beginning!
LG
You do not understand what I write. I can write a message. But I cannot make you understand what I write.
I do not want to reply you in the same manner you write some irrelevant things here.
Greetings,
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You do not understand what I write.
And this we are... in agreement with.
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But I cannot make you understand what I write.
Not exactly... I know clearly both sides of the issues, but I hear 2 voices in what you write... 1 is contradiction in your wording, at least in English, I do not know the Hindu language and in the accent I can not adjust to your pattern without hearing you speak, and the other voice is yet to be determined...
And is why I ask questions... which you do not answer.
So I am "forced" so to speak!... to make a choice, and respond in like manner.
LOL!
LG
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/24/2007 5:21:37 PM
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There is no glaring difference. You said "The ABUSED spouse HAS to preserve the marriage by way of longsuffering......."
And any reasonable adult knows that is not wise to say to anyone, esp. someone who may find themselves near death due to the abusive behavior of a spouse.
Belive what you want, but you will never persuade me so spare yourself the effort.
To advocate staying with an abuser and the desire of Jesus in the same sentence as "Christ never fails" reminds me of the Jim Jones era where people drank the kool-aid believing they were doing so to prove their faith.
I pray nobody here will be deceived to believing false doctrine and the Holy Spirit leads and guides them to truth and safety, away from anyone who abuses them.
India I would prefer you not offer any of your thoughts directly to me anymore. I have no use for them and will not be responding to any of your erroneous views. Thank You
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/24/2007 7:42:35 PM
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I'd like to add something to this discussion
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And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? 6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? 8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. --Matt 19:4-9
Greetings,
It looks like you added quite a bit...I am also into words, and proper punctuations,
You may find this useful…in your studies
http://scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/papyrus/texts/manuscripts.html
I have learned by a general rule the it is very easy to determine if textual errors have occurred, which is to simply match what the verses of a passage say… against the prophesies which are based in the numerical values according to the Hebrew Alpha-bet, because that is basically how it is written to begin with, and most modern technology is it s reflection.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/24/2007 9:07:27 PM
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The sacrifice of Christ will become vain if we divorce our cruel spouses. Why do you talk of abusive spouses? There are abusive fathers or abusive mothers in this world. Does this mean that the children of these abusive parents should repudiate their relationships with their fathers or mothers?
In some cases, yes.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/24/2007 11:54:01 PM
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Greetings
I am confused… You said that these divorced couples, in “your humble opinion”, had not been really married.
And Divorce is legal but not spiritual at all.
In other words are you saying that they were just fornicating under the image of being married by a court of Law?
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This relationship will not fly with the wind once the divorce is granted by the court of law.
If it was the same court of Law that divorced them… and that does not float in the eyes of God,
In like manner it was also the same court of Law that married them,
..I mean just because they were married by the same court of Law dose not necessarily mean that they were married in the eyes of God also… for your statements to be true…. that the relationship will not fly with the wind once the divorce is granted by the court of law… simply because there was no proof that it flew when they were married.
God knows the end from the beginning!
LG
You do not understand what I write. I can write a message. But I cannot make you understand what I write.
I do not want to reply you in the same manner you write some irrelevant things here.
Greetings,
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You do not understand what I write.
And this we are... in agreement with.
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But I cannot make you understand what I write.
Not exactly... I know clearly both sides of the issues, but I hear 2 voices in what you write... 1 is contradiction in your wording, at least in English, I do not know the Hindu language and in the accent I can not adjust to your pattern without hearing you speak, and the other voice is yet to be determined...
And is why I ask questions... which you do not answer.
So I am "forced" so to speak!... to make a choice, and respond in like manner.
LOL!
LG
In this thread, I am using only English language. There is no such language called ''Hindu'' language. Hindu is one who follows the religion of Hinduism. You have already written that you are confused. I cannot help you in this regard.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/25/2007 12:12:31 AM
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There is no glaring difference. You said "The ABUSED spouse HAS to preserve the marriage by way of longsuffering......."
And any reasonable adult knows that is not wise to say to anyone, esp. someone who may find themselves near death due to the abusive behavior of a spouse.
Believe what you want, but you will never persuade me so spare yourself the effort.
Preserving the bond of marriage is quite different from fleeing from the hands of the abusing spouse. An abused spouse can escape from the hands of his/her cruel spouse but still can preserve the marriage by way of long-suffering. The meaning is very simple. Paul said, in 2 Cor.4:8-12:
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8 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;
9 Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;
10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.
11 For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.
12 So then death worketh in us, but life in you.
Yes, the abused spouse may be near the death but will not die if she/he trusts in the Rock of Ages. She/he may be persecuted to the point of death but will never be forsaken by the Lord. She/he may be cast down but will never be destroyed. Let him/her bear about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus so that the life also of Jesus might be made madifest in his/her flesh. This is the Christian testimony. A married life is not a bed of roses but a path filled with thorns. You should know this.
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To advocate staying with an abuser and the desire of Jesus in the same sentence as "Christ never fails" reminds me of the Jim Jones era where people drank the kool-aid believing they were doing so to prove their faith.
Yes, Christ never fails in the life of His disciple. I have proved this in the Pauline epistle to Corinthians which is quoted above. Persecuted but not forsaken! Cast down, but not destroyed!
I do not bother about the life of Jim Jones. I am concerned about what the Scriptures teach us.
I do not suggest to the abused spouse to face the abusive spouse when the latter appears with a gun in his/her hands. The abused spouse has to flee from that place when she/he faces persecution to an unbearable extent. Or she/he may take the help of the police for protection if the need arises. It all depends upon his/her faith. Howbeit, if she believes Jesus can save her life without her fleeing from the abusive spouse, God will honor her/his faith. I can quote some testimonies from women of God in India to prove how God protected them from their drunkard husbands who approached these women of God with weapons.
Paul was let down through a basket when the Roman soldiers surrendered him. Paul fled from that place. But this does not mean that the abused spouse has to seek divorce without waiting for reconciliation/restoration. My views are very clear in this regard.
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I pray nobody here will be deceived to believing false doctrine and the Holy Spirit leads and guides them to truth and safety, away from anyone who abuses them.
Who preaches a false doctrine here? Who preaches the glorious gospel here? Is it the one who advocates divorce from an absusive spouse or the one who preaches on the grace of Lord Jesus and the Christian virtues of longsuffering, forgiveness, love, prayer and faith?
You are taking the abused spouses to a world where Jesus is not reigning as the Lord but where the god of this world is reigning.
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India I would prefer you not offer any of your thoughts directly to me anymore. I have no use for them and will not be responding to any of your erroneous views. Thank You
I am not offering my thoughts to you through a PM. Since this is a public forum, I have to respond to your post publicly so that others may know the truth or my views in this regard. You need not respond to any of my views. The truth cannot be bound by any person on this earth.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/25/2007 10:45:57 AM
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There is no glaring difference. You said "The ABUSED spouse HAS to preserve the marriage by way of longsuffering......."
And any reasonable adult knows that is not wise to say to anyone, esp. someone who may find themselves near death due to the abusive behavior of a spouse.
Belive what you want, but you will never persuade me so spare yourself the effort.
To advocate staying with an abuser and the desire of Jesus in the same sentence as "Christ never fails" reminds me of the Jim Jones era where people drank the kool-aid believing they were doing so to prove their faith.
I think you know, by reading posts here, that no one tells people to stay with active physical threat...so if one can, they should leave, and not divorce.
I think it might help you to know that many believers are suffering persecution. For just being one of God's kids, and probably, for telling others the Gospel. They may be tortured, beaten, reviled, jailed...its not FAIR, but Jesus did tell us if they treated Him that way, they WILL treat us that way.
It may have happened to some that they have experienced this in their marriage. Perhaps their husband (influenced by the devil) is persecuting them. It is the same type of pressure and fight or flight reactions they may experience. They must trust God in a situation where they cannot easily leave. Is He BIG enough to help them? OR do we tell them to take everything into their own hands, that they are responsible for their own safety, that they are to pass judgement on this situation and declare the husband FOREVER unfit and darkened and so make themselves irreconcilable?
That is what current abuse recovery promotes.
There are many testimonies of God delivering people from unjust persecutions. Marriage is not in an "unreachable" class that would be exempt from God's help.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/25/2007 10:49:23 AM
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Yes, you did say that. It is in post 751. To say that Jesus demands a spouse to endure abuse and beatings by another person is NOT biblical.
751 does not say that Jesus demands a spouse to endure abuse and beatings.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/25/2007 10:52:17 AM
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ORIGINAL: LoyalGypsy
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India your ideas are your own, but it is not wise to project them on others who may be in a vulnerable position.
But the abused spouse should not remarry during the time of separation. The period of separation may last long or may short-live.
How long would you say is an acceptable time for them to wait during reconciliation...A month, six months...a year...2 years?
LG
Time of restoration is in the hands of God. It is not in my or your hands.
Yes PI, time of restoration is in the hands of God. It is because we want to be in control of our own timings that we do not wait on him, and so make ourselves "irreconciliable".
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/27/2007 3:08:01 PM
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/27/2007 11:12:25 PM
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When is divorce an acceptable option?
When adultery has occured, your life and (your children-if applicable) is in danger, your spouse has left you and when you have done EVERYTHING to mend the marriage and your spouse will NOT cooperate.
What does God think about divorce?
He hates divorce but he has given us specific reasons to use it.
Is divorce a sin?
When it is done for all the wrong reasons.
Does divorce make a person ineligible for ministry?
No because it depends on the circumstances and that persons behavior toward the situation. Let's say someone got a divorce yrs ago for the wrong reasons but now they have realized what they did was wrong; have repented of their sins and did everything they could to heal the situation. This person is not ineligible BUT if you have someone that is totally blaming the other person, claim to be "extremely innocent" and have no remorse for what happened, then I would think twice about allowing this person into ministry.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/28/2007 12:45:36 AM
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When is divorce an acceptable option?
When adultery has occured, your life and (your children-if applicable) is in danger, your spouse has left you and when you have done EVERYTHING to mend the marriage and your spouse will NOT cooperate.
How can you claim that when the sin of adultery has occured in the life of a spouse and when the sinning spouse has left, the life of the other spouse is in danger? The spouse who has committed the sin of adultery is no longer there to cause any danger to the life of the other spouse. The aggrieved spouse has to trust God for restoration even in these adverse circumstances. The husband who has left home to live with a harlot may come home like the prodigal son. Why not? Please tell me. What is the need for a formal divorce here when the offending spouse is not there?
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What does God think about divorce?
He hates divorce but he has given us specific reasons to use it.
Under the New Covenant, God has not given us any commandment to divorce. Moses gave the commandment to the men of Israel. Jesus added to the commandment of Moses that if anyone divorced his spouse, he or she should not remarry. Jesus spoke these words to the Pharisees of the land of Israel, and not to you or me. If God hates divorce, there should not be any reasons to justify it from our side.
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Is divorce a sin?
When it is done for all the wrong reasons.
Many people are divorcing their spouses on one ground or the other these days. I came to know that a wife divorced her husband just because he snored during sleep. Divorce as such is not a sin. Only the remarriage after divorce during the life time of the spouse divorced is a sin. How can you define "wrong reasons" here? In the example quoted by me, snoring is the wrong reason for that woman!
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Does divorce make a person ineligible for ministry?
No because it depends on the circumstances and that persons behavior toward the situation. Let's say someone got a divorce yrs ago for the wrong reasons but now they have realized what they did was wrong; have repented of their sins and did everything they could to heal the situation. This person is not ineligible BUT if you have someone that is totally blaming the other person, claim to be "extremely innocent" and have no remorse for what happened, then I would think twice about allowing this person into ministry.
It does not depend upon the circumstances to justify the qualities of a minister of God. A minister of God should be above reproach. He cannot and should not divorce at all. If a person realizes that he or she should not have sought divorce and repents now, he or she can be accepted into the Lord's ministry.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/28/2007 6:26:15 PM
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When is divorce an acceptable option?
When adultery has occured, your life and (your children-if applicable) is in danger, your spouse has left you and when you have done EVERYTHING to mend the marriage and your spouse will NOT cooperate.
How can you claim that when the sin of adultery has occured in the life of a spouse and when the sinning spouse has left, the life of the other spouse is in danger? The spouse who has committed the sin of adultery is no longer there to cause any danger to the life of the other spouse. The aggrieved spouse has to trust God for restoration even in these adverse circumstances. The husband who has left home to live with a harlot may come home like the prodigal son. Why not? Please tell me. What is the need for a formal divorce here when the offending spouse is not there?
Why do you think the life would only be danger if the person is in the house India? The spouse doesn't need to be in the home for them to be a threat. That doesn't make any sense.
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What does God think about divorce?
He hates divorce but he has given us specific reasons to use it.
Under the New Covenant, God has not given us any commandment to divorce. Moses gave the commandment to the men of Israel. Jesus added to the commandment of Moses that if anyone divorced his spouse, he or she should not remarry. Jesus spoke these words to the Pharisees of the land of Israel, and not to you or me. If God hates divorce, there should not be any reasons to justify it from our side.
Did the poster say that God gave a commandment to divorce? I must have missed that portion!
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Is divorce a sin?
When it is done for all the wrong reasons.
Many people are divorcing their spouses on one ground or the other these days. I came to know that a wife divorced her husband just because he snored during sleep. Divorce as such is not a sin. Only the remarriage after divorce during the life time of the spouse divorced is a sin. How can you define "wrong reasons" here? In the example quoted by me, snoring is the wrong reason for that woman!
You seriously don't think it was a sin to divorce her husband because he snored? LOL sorry but that is a great example of 'wrong reason'!  Divorce is sin, but its not unforgivable.
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Does divorce make a person ineligible for ministry?
No because it depends on the circumstances and that persons behavior toward the situation. Let's say someone got a divorce yrs ago for the wrong reasons but now they have realized what they did was wrong; have repented of their sins and did everything they could to heal the situation. This person is not ineligible BUT if you have someone that is totally blaming the other person, claim to be "extremely innocent" and have no remorse for what happened, then I would think twice about allowing this person into ministry.
It does not depend upon the circumstances to justify the qualities of a minister of God. A minister of God should be above reproach. He cannot and should not divorce at all. If a person realizes that he or she should not have sought divorce and repents now, he or she can be accepted into the Lord's ministry.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/28/2007 11:30:06 PM
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How can you claim that when the sin of adultery has occured in the life of a spouse and when the sinning spouse has left, the life of the other spouse is in danger? The spouse who has committed the sin of adultery is no longer there to cause any danger to the life of the other spouse. The aggrieved spouse has to trust God for restoration even in these adverse circumstances..............etc
These were TWO different reasons. Most spouses will not reconcile when adultery has occured b/c they will never get pass the fact that their spouse was with another human being. In other words the marriage bed has been defiled; Trust has been destroyed and in some cases can never be fixed.
God gave us a BRAIN AND COMMON SENSE! If your spouse has threatned to kill you and also is abusing you, you need to leave your spouse before they carry out what they said. God does not want our life in danger! God gave us intelligence and we need to use it.
((Under the New Covenant, God has not given us any commandment to divorce.........))
Matthew 5:31-32:
[Jesus said] It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’ But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.
Divorce is not a commandment...Jesus came to fulfill the law not abolish it. Therefore some principles from the Old Testament still APPLY.
((It does not depend upon the circumstances to justify the qualities of a minister of God. A minister of God should be above reproach. He cannot and should not divorce at all. If a person realizes that he or she should not have sought divorce and repents now, he or she can be accepted into the Lord's ministry.))
John 8: 2-11 "But Jesus stooped down, and with His finger wrote on the ground, as though He heard them not. So when they continued asking Him, He lifted up Himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. And again He stooped down, and wrote on the ground."
Matthew 6: 14 "For if you forgive people their trespasses [their reckless and willful sins, leaving them, letting them go, and giving up resentment], your heavenly Father will also forgive you."
Hebrews 8: 12 "For I will be merciful and gracious toward their sins and I will remember their deeds of unrighteousness no more."
Colossians 3: 13 "Be gentle and forbearing with one another and, if one has a difference (a grievance or complaint) against another, readily pardoning each other; even as the Lord has [freely] forgiven you, so must you also [forgive]. "
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/29/2007 12:17:06 AM
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When is divorce an acceptable option?
When adultery has occured, your life and (your children-if applicable) is in danger, your spouse has left you and when you have done EVERYTHING to mend the marriage and your spouse will NOT cooperate.
How can you claim that when the sin of adultery has occured in the life of a spouse and when the sinning spouse has left, the life of the other spouse is in danger? The spouse who has committed the sin of adultery is no longer there to cause any danger to the life of the other spouse. The aggrieved spouse has to trust God for restoration even in these adverse circumstances. The husband who has left home to live with a harlot may come home like the prodigal son. Why not? Please tell me. What is the need for a formal divorce here when the offending spouse is not there?
Why do you think the life would only be danger if the person is in the house India? The spouse doesn't need to be in the home for them to be a threat. That doesn't make any sense.
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What does God think about divorce?
I do not understand how that abusive spouse is a threat to the aggrieved spouse and the kids so long as the former has gone out to stay with his/her sweet-heart or the harlot. If the abusive spouse makes any threatening telephone call, etc, the aggrieved spouse can simply ignore it and report the matter to the police.
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He hates divorce but he has given us specific reasons to use it.
Under the New Covenant, God has not given us any commandment to divorce. Moses gave the commandment to the men of Israel. Jesus added to the commandment of Moses that if anyone divorced his spouse, he or she should not remarry. Jesus spoke these words to the Pharisees of the land of Israel, and not to you or me. If God hates divorce, there should not be any reasons to justify it from our side.
Did the poster say that God gave a commandment to divorce? I must have missed that portion!
God gave a commandment to the men of Israel through Moses under the Old Covenant to divorce on the ground of "some uncleanness". It is not relevant to the New Covenant.
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Is divorce a sin?
When it is done for all the wrong reasons.
Many people are divorcing their spouses on one ground or the other these days. I came to know that a wife divorced her husband just because he snored during sleep. Divorce as such is not a sin. Only the remarriage after divorce during the life time of the spouse divorced is a sin. How can you define "wrong reasons" here? In the example quoted by me, snoring is the wrong reason for that woman!
You seriously don't think it was a sin to divorce her husband because he snored? LOL sorry but that is a great example of 'wrong reason'! Divorce is sin, but its not unforgivable.
Please note that I am not justifying divorce on any ground at all. I just quoted this example to prove how people are divocing their spouses even on frivolous grounds. According to Bible, all unrighteousness is sin. If this act of divorce by the wife is an act of unrighteousness, it is sin. If a spouse is divorced by his/her spouse in an unrighteous manner, it can become a sin. I do agree.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/29/2007 12:42:13 AM
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How can you claim that when the sin of adultery has occured in the life of a spouse and when the sinning spouse has left, the life of the other spouse is in danger? The spouse who has committed the sin of adultery is no longer there to cause any danger to the life of the other spouse. The aggrieved spouse has to trust God for restoration even in these adverse circumstances..............etc
These were TWO different reasons. Most spouses will not reconcile when adultery has occured b/c they will never get pass the fact that their spouse was with another human being. In other words the marriage bed has been defiled; Trust has been destroyed and in some cases can never be fixed.
God gave us a BRAIN AND COMMON SENSE! If your spouse has threatned to kill you and also is abusing you, you need to leave your spouse before they carry out what they said. God does not want our life in danger! God gave us intelligence and we need to use it.
I am not denying it. Yes, if your spouse is threaning to kill you or your kids, you have to leave him. But the abusive spouse has already left the house of the abused spouse and has begun to live with another woman/man, then how is that there is still a danger to the life of the abused spouse or the kids? quote:
(Under the New Covenant, God has not given us any commandment to divorce.........)
Matthew 5:31-32:
[Jesus said] It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’ But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.
Jesus gave this commandment to the Pharisees of the Old Covenant. However, if under the New Covenant, anyone divorces his/her spouse, let him/her do so quoting the Old Testament commandment given by God through Moses. But he or she should not remarry.
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Divorce is not a commandment...Jesus came to fulfill the law not abolish it. Therefore some principles from the Old Testament still APPLY.
My above reply holds good here.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/29/2007 7:07:11 AM
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India, I have stated my opinion and I am not changing it.
Thanks.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/30/2007 2:08:35 AM
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How can you claim that when the sin of adultery has occured in the life of a spouse and when the sinning spouse has left, the life of the other spouse is in danger? The spouse who has committed the sin of adultery is no longer there to cause any danger to the life of the other spouse. The aggrieved spouse has to trust God for restoration even in these adverse circumstances..............etc
These were TWO different reasons. Most spouses will not reconcile when adultery has occured b/c they will never get pass the fact that their spouse was with another human being. In other words the marriage bed has been defiled; Trust has been destroyed and in some cases can never be fixed.
I am now replying to the above. These spouses are self-righteous and do not have the spirit of forgiveness in their lives but are ready to remarry other persons. This means that they have not accepted Jesus Christ as their savior and have not become "new creatures" in Christ Jesus. If they were born again in the Spirit of God, their hearts could have been changed completely.
If their marriage bed has been defiled, this defilement can be taken away through the Blood of Jesus Christ on repentance by the spouse who is responsible such a defilement. For the aggrieved spouse, this defilement can be forgiven. If a marriage is defiled, who is there to judge this sin? Is it the aggrieved spouse to judge this sin? No. It is God who judges this sin. Then how is that the aggrieved spouse can retain this sin in her/his heart?
If trust has been destroyed through this sin, it is for the aggrieved spouse who has accepted Jesus Christ to forgive her/his spouse who is at fault. On many occasions, we the children of God destroy the trust of God in us. Have you at any point of time destroyed the trust that God has reposed in you? I have done so.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 9/5/2007 3:29:52 AM
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How can you claim that when the sin of adultery has occured in the life of a spouse and when the sinning spouse has left, the life of the other spouse is in danger? The spouse who has committed the sin of adultery is no longer there to cause any danger to the life of the other spouse. The aggrieved spouse has to trust God for restoration even in these adverse circumstances..............etc
These were TWO different reasons. Most spouses will not reconcile when adultery has occured b/c they will never get pass the fact that their spouse was with another human being. In other words the marriage bed has been defiled; Trust has been destroyed and in some cases can never be fixed.
I am now replying to the above. These spouses are self-righteous and do not have the spirit of forgiveness in their lives but are ready to remarry other persons. This means that they have not accepted Jesus Christ as their savior and have not become "new creatures" in Christ Jesus. If they were born again in the Spirit of God, their hearts could have been changed completely.
If their marriage bed has been defiled, this defilement can be taken away through the Blood of Jesus Christ on repentance by the spouse who is responsible such a defilement. For the aggrieved spouse, this defilement can be forgiven. If a marriage is defiled, who is there to judge this sin? Is it the aggrieved spouse to judge this sin? No. It is God who judges this sin. Then how is that the aggrieved spouse can retain this sin in her/his heart?
If trust has been destroyed through this sin, it is for the aggrieved spouse who has accepted Jesus Christ to forgive her/his spouse who is at fault. On many occasions, we the children of God destroy the trust of God in us. Have you at any point of time destroyed the trust that God has reposed in you? I have done so.
Good explanation PI, The blood of Jesus Christ can take away a defilement.....if we trust Him to do so, He is fully able to do so.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 9/5/2007 11:10:43 AM
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