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RE: joyce meyer - 12/17/2005 12:42:00 PM
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Just out of curiousity has anyone here who thinks Joyce is way of mark prayed for her. Let's see a show of hands..........Thought so.
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RE: joyce meyer - 12/17/2005 12:54:38 PM
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Just out of curiousity has anyone here who thinks Joyce is way of mark prayed for her. Let's see a show of hands..........Thought so.
You address a general question to us, then answer it for us in the same post without waiting for a response. Well, I certainly can't stop you from drawing your own conclusions, so please, enjoy yourself and carry on.
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RE: joyce meyer - 12/17/2005 11:55:15 PM
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Just out of curiousity has anyone here who thinks Joyce is way of mark prayed for her. Let's see a show of hands..........Thought so.
You address a general question to us, then answer it for us in the same post without waiting for a response. Well, I certainly can't stop you from drawing your own conclusions, so please, enjoy yourself and carry on.
I suppose this is one of those posts I wish I could take back in a way. I simply got a little angry is all. My main beef is that I grow tired of watching christians tearing other christians down. Is it not enough the world does this well enough on their own? I am not really here to even defend JM. I do empathize somewhat with her though. I could only imagine what kind of posts I would incur like this post if I were a high profile christian like JM. Everyone would see every hair out of place and every misguided word that came out of my mouth. I would have both the secular media eating it up as well as christian brother and sisters tearing me limb from limb. Even though I am not a high profile christian I have had similair experiences in my own life. Some have been deserved and others have not been. I have also seen christian brothers and sisters endure similair issues and it is truly painful to watch. The most painful examples have been watching churches divide as a result. I would have much prefered for someone to take him or her aside in love and correct them and pray for them. Unfortunatly I have rarely experienced this Biblical form of correction. Instead I mostly witness gossiping and backbiting instead of prayerfully interceeding for those who have strayed from the faith. After all, what else is there to do in such a situation that will help remedy the matter?
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RE: joyce meyer - 12/18/2005 12:18:17 AM
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Dear Mikeman2:
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I suppose this is one of those posts I wish I could take back in a way. I simply got a little angry is all.
Okay. No worries.
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I do empathize somewhat with her though. I could only imagine what kind of posts I would incur like this post if I were a high profile christian like JM. Everyone would see every hair out of place and every misguided word that came out of my mouth.
If you taught the Biblical truth, you would not have to worry about people bringing up your doctrinal flaws. When a person sets themselves up as a public figure, they are responsible as a public figure and they will be responsible for their public teachings. Can't have it both ways. Do you not understand that reaching millions with a flawed doctrine causes incredible harm, and they need to be held accountable for that? I don't know how to make these points any clearer than I have already:
1. I am not against Joyce Meyers the person. I am not harping on her teeth or her hair or what brand of eye shadow she uses. I wish her only the best.
2. I am not picking on a few misguided errors here and there. I am pointing out the clearly dangerous and unbiblical teachings she presents which can lead people to DESTRUCTION.
What is so difficult to understand about these points?
The REASON WHY we do this is in the hopes of helping others escape WOF and see the light of the Holy Bible. Tell me, when you meet Mormons or JW's... do you witness to them about Christ, or do you just let them go their way? If the answer is witness to them, then there is no difference between what you do and what we are doing. If you let them go their way... how much do you really care about them, then?
If you have found someone making sarcastic remarks or making fun of Joyce Meyers instead of sticking with doctrinal issues, then address that person here individually.
Thanks.
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RE: joyce meyer - 12/18/2005 1:00:16 AM
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Dear Mikeman2:
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I suppose this is one of those posts I wish I could take back in a way. I simply got a little angry is all.
Okay. No worries.
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I do empathize somewhat with her though. I could only imagine what kind of posts I would incur like this post if I were a high profile christian like JM. Everyone would see every hair out of place and every misguided word that came out of my mouth.
If you taught the Biblical truth, you would not have to worry about people bringing up your doctrinal flaws. When a person sets themselves up as a public figure, they are responsible as a public figure and they will be responsible for their public teachings. Can't have it both ways. Do you not understand that reaching millions with a flawed doctrine causes incredible harm, and they need to be held accountable for that? I don't know how to make this point any clearer than it has been made on this thread:
1. I am not against Joyce Meyers the person. I am not harping on her teeth or her hair or what brand of eye shadow she uses. I wish her only the best.
2. I am not picking on a few misguided errors here and there. I am pointing out the clearly dangerous and unbiblical teachings she presents which can lead people to DESTRUCTION.
What is so difficult to understand about these points?
The REASON WHY we do this is in the hopes of helping others escape WOF and see the light of the Holy Bible. Tell me, when you meet Mormons or JW's... do you witness to them about Christ, or do you just let them go their way? If the answer is witness to them, then there is no difference between what you do and what we are doing. If you let them go their way... how much do you really care about them, then?
If you have found someone here making sarcastic remarks or made fun of Joyce Meyers instead of sticking with doctrinal issues, then address that person here individually.
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I understand your position but I am also concerned with a lot of other posts I see on the CW. Pretty much every high profile christian personality that is reaching millions of people have threads on them a mile long about what is wrong with their doctrines and bank accounts and such. I would have to be honest and say that she is reaching more people for Christ than I am. It seems the more people you reach for Christ the more they are used for target practice. Granted you may not agree with all of her doctrines and beleive that she is sending people to hell. I, however, am not convinced of this and am wary about jumping to such conclusions.
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RE: joyce meyer - 12/18/2005 1:38:10 AM
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So, what specifically are the false teachings of Joyce Meyer? What is your basis in scripture?
From Joyce Meyer's 1991 booklet The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make, an evangelistic work aimed at nonbelievers, she resounds the Word-Faith view of Christ’s atonement:
"During that time He entered hell, where you and I deserved to go (legally) because of our sin. He paid the price there ... no plan was too extreme ... Jesus paid on the cross and in hell” (pg. 35,).
“God rose up from His throne and said to demon powers tormenting the sinless Son of God, ‘Let Him go.’ Then the resurrection power of Almighty God went through hell and filled Jesus ... He was resurrected from the dead — the first born-again man” (pg. 36, underlining in the original).
“His spirit went to hell because that is where we deserved to go. Remember in the very beginning of this, I said, ‘When you die, only your body dies. The rest of you, your soul and spirit, goes either to heaven or hell’” (ibid.).
“There is no hope of anyone going to heaven unless they believe this truth I am presenting. You cannot go to heaven unless you believe with all your heart that Jesus took your place in hell” (ibid.).
“Jesus went to hell for you” (pg. 38, underlining in the original).
Not only is that FALSE teaching, it undermines that very nature of Jesus' atonement on the Cross. If I recall, one of his last words on the cross was "IT IS FINISHED"
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Granted she is assuming some things here but so are you. Christ did say that it was finished but was gone for three days. What is true is that he took our place. For me the rest are merely details.
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"We need to claim as much of that inheritance as we possibly can...One of the things you can do right now is speak positive things about your future right now."
(Joyce Meyer, "What Does Your Future Hold" May 21, 2004)
"I want us to think again for a minute in closing about this thing about making sure that we're not killing God's plan with negative words."
(Joyce Meyer, "Mind, Mouth, Moods, and Attitudes," tape 2 of 4 the "Mouth")
"If I speak death I'll eat death. If I speak life I'll eat life...I want you to say with me, 'I can destroy my life with my own words."
(Joyce Meyer, "Mind, Mouth, Moods, and Attitudes," tape 2 of 4 the "Mouth")
This is absurd to think that our words can kill a plan of an Almighty and Sovereign God. Is this not the height of arrogance to think that our words can kill what God wants to do?
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Can you then explain to me why in Luke 1:20 that the father of John the Baptist was struck dumb by the angel Garbiel because he did not beleive the report that his wife of old age would bare a son? A fundamental principle of faith is to be in agreement with God is it not? This is done by speaking out words. Just as the scriptures say out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. The mother beleived and spoke in agreement with Gabriel but the father was prevented from doing the opposite. Notice the angel did not stop the father's unbeleif but rather only from speaking it. As it says in James a double minded man shall not expect to receive ANYTHING from God. quote:
More priceless nuggets:
"When Jesus was experiencing the most intense pressure of His life, He decided that it would be wise not to open His mouth. Why? I believe it was because He realized that in His humanity, He would have been tempted to do the same thing you and I are tempted to do—doubt, question God, complain, or say something negative."
(Joyce Meyer, Enjoying Everyday Life Magazine, "Crossing Over to the Other Side" May 2004)
"Did you know that you can change the very course of your life by the type of words you speak?"
(Joyce Meyer, Enjoying Everyday Life Magazine, "Think before You Speak" May 2004)
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Proverbs 18:21 Life and death are in the power of the tongue......
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"My teaching this weekend as usual is not going to be doctrinally religious. It's going to be something that you can use in your everyday life."
(Joyce Meyer, "Mind, Mouth, Moods, and Attitudes," tape 1 of 4 the "Mind")
"You know that if you send these offerings into the ministry your gonna help us to keep reaching out to hurting people all over the world. What you make happen for somebody else God will make happen for you. Sow a seed and God will meet your need."
(Joyce Meyer, "Enjoying Everyday Life," June 24, 2004)
"God does not need our money. The giving thing is not for Him, it's for us," Meyer told a Detroit audience in September. "I should not have to work to try to support myself."
(Article on Joyce Meyer, 11/17/2003, St. Louis Post Dispatch)
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Malachi 3:10 Bring all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, says the Lord of hosts, If I will not open you the windows of heaven and pour you out a blessing that there will not be room enough to receive it.
You may not agree with the scriptures that she uses to back up what she is saying but it is a matter of interpretation. She is not making this stuff up.
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RE: joyce meyer - 12/18/2005 2:04:17 AM
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You may not agree with the scriptures that she uses to back up what she is saying but it is a matter of interpretation. She is not making this stuff up.
The Mormons use scripture. The JW's use scripture. And they're not making it up, either. How many 'truths' are there, exactly? One... or many [which all contradict each other]? It seems that everything under the sun has become acceptable under the guise of interpretation.
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RE: joyce meyer - 12/18/2005 9:28:23 AM
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You may not agree with the scriptures that she uses to back up what she is saying but it is a matter of interpretation. She is not making this stuff up.
The Mormons use scripture. The JW's use scripture. And they're not making it up, either. How many 'truths' are there, exactly? One... or many [which all contradict each other]? It seems that everything under the sun has become acceptable under the guise of interpretation.
Do you really beleive that it is fair compairing JM to JW's and Mormon's? JW's do not beleive Jesus is God and the Mormons think we are capable of acheiving godlike status as Jesus was. They both diminish the diety of Christ by calling into question the validity of the trinity. This is problematic and heretical because in Romans it says that if we confess Jesus as Lord and beleive in our heart that God raised him from the dead we will be saved. Confessing Jesus as Lord acknowledges he is God as well as acknowledges you are his servant. I do not get such a conflict with the teachings of JM. Do you not agree that Christ became sin for us and took our place and was raised from the dead?
The other issue about the power of the tongue I have no arguements with. Throughout scripture it is painfully evident for me that words matter to God as well as to us. God formed creation with words and we were made in his image. It stands to reason we operated much in the same way with our words and is a vital ingredient to walking in faith. Notice in Romans we are to CONFESS with our mouths that Jesus is Lord to become saved.
As far as the doctrine of prosperity it is painfully evident to me that God wants us to be givers. The scripture I gave in Malachi states this and also says that God will bless your giving. It is the only place in the Bible where God says to test him. As a matter of fact it says that you will not only be blessed but you will not have room enough to receive the blessings. Those that do not give to the storehouse are even said to be operating under a curse. You may be uncomfortable with her riches and what she does with those riches but this is another issue. How much is to much money to have? If I were judged by a christian in the third world by such standards they would probably veiw me in a similair light as JM.
To sum up I find nothing heretical in her teachings. I would also say that I probably would not approach the same topics in the same way that she presents them and would not agree with everything she says 100%. Who is 100% right about everything in the Bible? The only thing I can tell you is that it is not me. I continue to be a work in progress.
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RE: joyce meyer - 12/18/2005 11:35:34 AM
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Dear Mikeman2:
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Do you really beleive that it is fair compairing JM to JW's and Mormon's? JW's do not beleive Jesus is God and the Mormons think we are capable of acheiving godlike status as Jesus was. They both diminish the diety of Christ by calling into question the validity of the trinity. This is problematic and heretical because in Romans it says that if we confess Jesus as Lord and beleive in our heart that God raised him from the dead we will be saved.
1. The concept of Jesus going to hell to atone for sin and dying spiritually IS diminishing, problematic, and a rejection of the Biblical Christ. I have not seen any statements from Joyce Meyers that she has repented of this teaching [just a slight re-wording in 1996] or any other WOF teaching, and she continues to associate herself and participate in events with WOF teachers who openly deny the deity of Jesus Christ and the trinity. There is absolutely no reason at this time to believe she is NOT part of the heretical & apostate WOF movement.
2. I used the examples of Mormons and JW's because you have stated Joyce Meyers uses scripture - she's not making it up - and it's a matter of interpretation. Well, so is everything else. If Joyce Meyers uses scripture with an incorrect interpretation, why is that so much better than any other group which uses scripture with incorrect interpretations?
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To sum up I find nothing heretical in her teachings. I would also say that I probably would not approach the same topics in the same way that she presents them and would not agree with everything she says 100%. Who is 100% right about everything in the Bible? The only thing I can tell you is that it is not me. I continue to be a work in progress.
If you have not found anything heretical in her teachings after all that has been presented, then there's nothing more to be said on that. What I am baffled over is your lack of a stance one way or another. You say you neither support nor reject WOF teaching, even after it's been proven numerous times that WOF is incompatible with & contrary to the Bible. You say it's all a matter of interpretation. I'm not being sarcastic or anything, but I honestly cannot tell what it is you really and truly stand for or what the foundation of truth is for you.
Thank you for your responses, and God bless.
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RE: joyce meyer - 12/18/2005 12:57:48 PM
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Dear Mikeman2:
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Do you really beleive that it is fair compairing JM to JW's and Mormon's? JW's do not beleive Jesus is God and the Mormons think we are capable of acheiving godlike status as Jesus was. They both diminish the diety of Christ by calling into question the validity of the trinity. This is problematic and heretical because in Romans it says that if we confess Jesus as Lord and beleive in our heart that God raised him from the dead we will be saved.
1. The concept of Jesus going to hell to atone for sin and dying spiritually IS diminishing, problematic, and a rejection of the Biblical Christ. I have not seen any statements from Joyce Meyers that she has repented of this teaching [just a slight re-wording in 1996] or any other WOF teaching, and she continues to associate herself and participate in events with WOF teachers who openly deny the deity of Jesus Christ and the trinity. There is absolutely no reason at this time to believe she is NOT part of the heretical & apostate WOF movement.
2. I used the examples of Mormons and JW's because you have stated Joyce Meyers uses scripture - she's not making it up - and it's a matter of interpretation. Well, so is everything else. If Joyce Meyers uses scripture with an incorrect interpretation, why is that so much better than any other group which uses scripture with incorrect interpretations?
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To sum up I find nothing heretical in her teachings. I would also say that I probably would not approach the same topics in the same way that she presents them and would not agree with everything she says 100%. Who is 100% right about everything in the Bible? The only thing I can tell you is that it is not me. I continue to be a work in progress.
If you have not found anything heretical in her teachings after all that has been presented, then there's nothing more to be said on that. What I am baffled over is your lack of a stance one way or another. You say you neither support nor reject WOF teaching, even after it's been proven numerous times that WOF is incompatible with & contrary to the Bible. You say it's all a matter of interpretation. I'm not being sarcastic or anything, but I honestly cannot tell what it is you really and truly stand for or what the foundation of truth is for you.
Thank you for your responses, and God bless.
Every preacher or teacher that I have listned to has some veiws or interpretations that I am not 100% sure of. This is because we are human and do not have all the answers. I have also found that interpretations can include more than one meaning. For example Christ said to Peter that he would be the rock that he would build his church on. Turns out that Peter help begin the church in Rome and is buried under the Vatican. Various interpretations do not bother me unless it negates who Christ is and makes a detour from the road to salvation. As long as the good news is presented as Christ intended the details of all the various theologies such as pre-trib verses post-trib are not a big deal to me. I find that your main beef is with WOF teaching. From reading these posts it seems as though the most disturbing teaching is that we can become equal to Christ. This falls in the lines of Mormanism. Understand that I have not heard anyone preach on this and am taking the word of the people on this thread. I don't beleive JM has been accused of teaching this but only that she has involved herself with others that have taught this. I would like links showing who and where this theology is taught.
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RE: joyce meyer - 12/18/2005 3:17:26 PM
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Dear Mikeman2:
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From reading these posts it seems as though the most disturbing teaching is that we can become equal to Christ. This falls in the lines of Mormanism. Understand that I have not heard anyone preach on this and am taking the word of the people on this thread. I don't beleive JM has been accused of teaching this but only that she has involved herself with others that have taught this. I would like links showing who and where this theology is taught.
Audio and video evidence of WOF teachers: here, and here
For written evidence, such as what is found in WOF books, you can either buy the books yourself, or check out the many discernment sites [Intotruth.org, Letusreason.org, Deceptioninthechurch.com] which provide passages from their books.
I hope this helps. Have a blessed day!
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RE: joyce meyer - 12/18/2005 10:42:32 PM
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mikeman2, I would like to address this quote:
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Various interpretations do not bother me unless it negates who Christ is and makes a detour from the road to salvation.
Salvation is not the only issue here, although it is the most important one. I stated in an earlier post theat there are two dangers to the WOF movement. First, it does keep people from salvation becuase it does not deliver the message of Christ as found in scripture. Second, it takes those who are either new in their faith or weak in their faith and sends them on a wild goosechase after things that do not further the kingdom. The first instance is bad and needs no explanation. The second instance, however, is dangerous in two stages.
In the first stange it keeps a believer from growing in Christ and knowing the Lord in a personal way. It keeps the believer from realizing their potential in Christ. It blinds them from the truth of scripture thus robbing them of any real peace and joy that can only come through the Lord. In doing this it does something terrible - it takes a brother or sister out of the fight. Instead of being able to truly reflect the love and peace of Christ they become just like those in the world - seeking material prosperity and preace through the works of their own hands. When a lost person sees this they can see nothing different about the misery they are in and the persuits of those who claim the world is corrupt yet, on the other hand, scurry for the exact things they call corrupt. This is the danger of the WOF teachers, Joyce Meyer included.
As far as matters of interpretation go, notice that not one time has a denominational stnad been brought up here. No one has claimed these teaching wrong because thay were not Baptist teachings, or Methodist, or nondenominational, or Catholic, etc. These are foundational, bedrock tenets of Christianity that are so plain in meaning that many of us, from diverse denominational backgrounds, can agree on. We are not trying to tear her down, only expose the false teaching for what it is for her sake and those who follow her.
I understand your wanting to keep things from becoming unruly. I also understand your not wanting others to be discourages by the thread. However, there are times when we must, in defense of our Lord, stand up and defend what is true. That is what Christ did. We merely strive to follow His example. Speak the truth in love, but always speak the truth.
Also, as a pastor, I have no problem with anyone taking anything I have said and putting it to the test of scripture. It has happened here many times. I welcome it. I don't know any Godly teacher that wouldn't. When you presume to speak for God, you had better get ready for people to listen and take note. This is what we do, also.
I hope this helps to clear things up a little.
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RE: joyce meyer - 12/21/2005 5:48:51 PM
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I don't know how qualified I am to answer this, but from her books that I've read, she makes my spirit uncomfortable. I know she loves God but I can't explain why but it feels like I'm being pulled into something when I read her books. Maybe it's just me.
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RE: joyce meyer - 12/21/2005 8:44:57 PM
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I don't know how qualified I am to answer this, but from her books that I've read, she makes my spirit uncomfortable. I know she loves God but I can't explain why but it feels like I'm being pulled into something when I read her books. Maybe it's just me.
I feel the opposite, her books fill my spirit with hope. God Bless
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RE: joyce meyer - 12/21/2005 8:54:37 PM
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Many people are hurting and in need of ecouragmenet and many are there to capitalize ($) on their weakness.
It is also an endorsement against those who do teach truth from God's word but do not minister to the emotional wounds that many of us have suffered. We are to minister to the whole person not just their intelect/doctrine.
IMO: Joyce is gifted to speak to those needs in women's lives but has been tempted by $ and prestige to use her gifts according to the world's ways...
2Ti 4:3-4 WEB For the time will come when they will not listen to the sound doctrine, but, having itching ears, will heap up for themselves teachers after their own lusts; (4) and will turn away their ears from the truth, and turn aside to fables.
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RE: joyce meyer - 12/25/2005 12:30:42 AM
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Maybe I shouldn't say this, but I was just thinking as I read more of these posts, I remember her talking about her face lifts and said she would really love to have a full body lift. Also the second day meeting she told us about having to leave early the night before (she got onto people who did that) now this may not sound right but she told the audience of thousands of people it was because her hemoroids were bleeding real bad and they wanted to keep her in the hospital but she wouldn't let them. Can you imagine telling that in public. I hope I don't in trouble for this.
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RE: joyce meyer - 12/25/2005 11:52:36 PM
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Be a doer of the Word, not just a hearer (or for that fact, just a reader). The Word of God is clear on the spiritual order; God, man, then woman. There is a reason why only men were made to lead. Women have their own place. If you cannot accept this then you should take it up with God Himself.
Let me just say that the bible was written many many many years ago. Times change.
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Times do change, but God never does and neither does His word.
The changing times have nothing to do with anything, other than as an example of what God said about false teachers coming true.
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today, and forever.
Sorry, I haven't quite got things figured out with this forum just yet. I was trying to quote the entire post, that included the line "Let me just say that the bible was written many many many years ago. Times change." *My* only comment was supposed to have been a shocked emoticon. I agree 1000% with the comment that it doesn't matter what year it is, God's word doesn't change .... his admonition that women not teach men is just as applicable today as it was 2000 years ago.
Sorry for any confusion.
Blessings!
Kathy
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RE: joyce meyer - 12/28/2005 10:16:10 PM
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Be a doer of the Word, not just a hearer (or for that fact, just a reader). The Word of God is clear on the spiritual order; God, man, then woman. There is a reason why only men were made to lead. Women have their own place. If you cannot accept this then you should take it up with God Himself.
Let me just say that the bible was written many many many years ago. Times change.
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Times do change, but God never does and neither does His word.
The changing times have nothing to do with anything, other than as an example of what God said about false teachers coming true.
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today, and forever.
Sorry, I haven't quite got things figured out with this forum just yet. I was trying to quote the entire post, that included the line "Let me just say that the bible was written many many many years ago. Times change." *My* only comment was supposed to have been a shocked emoticon. I agree 1000% with the comment that it doesn't matter what year it is, God's word doesn't change .... his admonition that women not teach men is just as applicable today as it was 2000 years ago.
Sorry for any confusion.
Blessings!
Kathy
No problem. 
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RE: joyce meyer - 1/30/2006 6:26:11 PM
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"Did you know that you can change the very course of your life by the type of words you speak?"
(Joyce Meyer, Enjoying Everyday Life Magazine, "Think before You Speak" May 2004)
I agree with you on a lot of your points. However, what is wrong with telling people to speak positively. As a man thinketh so is he... And if your thoughts are in line with God, then what you say out of your mouth will be positive and praising of God. We are to uplift our brothers and sisters, not spew out hate and negativity. When we speak negatively, about anything, we are not in line with God's will for us.
So let me ask this, do you think people who go around and talk trash all the time are happy people? No. They talk that way because they think that way.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but ONLY God can judge. We are not supposed to judge others. And if we don't forgive, we will not be forgiven. So if you feel JM is wrong, then pray for her and forgive her.
On the other hand, I don't think God's will for her is to spend thousands of dollars on vases and stuff. She could have built a homeless shelter.,
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RE: joyce meyer - 1/30/2006 6:56:36 PM
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Well, all I know is I'm reading "Battlefield of the Mind" right now and it's awesome!
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RE: joyce meyer - 1/30/2006 7:05:39 PM
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I agree with you on a lot of your points. However, what is wrong with telling people to speak positively. As a man thinketh so is he... And if your thoughts are in line with God, then what you say out of your mouth will be positive and praising of God. We are to uplift our brothers and sisters, not spew out hate and negativity. When we speak negatively, about anything, we are not in line with God's will for us.
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