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RE: Joel Osteen? - 4/29/2008 11:50:57 AM   
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This was posted on the online version of the Houston Chronicle today. I noticed this guy said Joel's sermon sounded like one he would have presented. I then looked and saw that this guy pastors a Unitarian Universalist church in Houston . Also, note how the music was used to build the crowd into an altered state,

http://blogs.chron.com/keepthefaith/2008/04/my_visit_to_lakewood_church.html

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RE: Joel Osteen? - 4/29/2008 1:03:35 PM   
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This was posted on the online version of the Houston Chronicle today. I noticed this guy said Joel's sermon sounded like one he would have presented. I then looked and saw that this guy pastors a Unitarian Universalist church in Houston . Also, note how the music was used to build the crowd into an altered state,

http://blogs.chron.com/keepthefaith/2008/04/my_visit_to_lakewood_church.html


Makes sense. Think about it. JO claims to be a Christian, but cannot boldly proclaim that Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to the Father.

He also believes that the Mormon Jesus is the same as the true Jesus Christ

Sounds Universalist to me.

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RE: Joel Osteen? - 4/29/2008 4:12:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: howling wind

This was posted on the online version of the Houston Chronicle today. I noticed this guy said Joel's sermon sounded like one he would have presented. I then looked and saw that this guy pastors a Unitarian Universalist church in Houston . Also, note how the music was used to build the crowd into an altered state,

http://blogs.chron.com/keepthefaith/2008/04/my_visit_to_lakewood_church.html


An interesting quoe from that article, in a list of "positives" he lists (emphasis mine):
"- Victoria Osteen's Bible interpretation. She uses the same method I do."

This is what Mr. Tittle's Bible interpretation teaches him (from an earlier post in his blog)
"I am also not a Christian, because I do not believe that Jesus is the sole Lord and savior of all humanity. I do not believe that the Bible (Hebrew or Christian scriptures) is the inerrant word of God. However, I do believe one could be a Christian without adhering to these particular doctrines."

Also, in the "negatives" section, he lists:
"- The theology of the praise music and the prayers conflicted with the theology of the sermon."

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RE: Joel Osteen? - 4/29/2008 8:36:55 PM   
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Somewhere out there in the spirit world are a bunch of devils getting quite a bit of pleasure reading all this.

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RE: Joel Osteen? - 4/29/2008 8:40:19 PM   
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Somewhere out there in the spirit world are a bunch of devils getting quite a bit of pleasure reading all this.


Because we're obeying God's Word? I doubt it.

Based on Scripture, the demonic likely rejoices when people are told it is wrong to test another's teachings in light of Scripture.

Based on Scripture, the demonic likely rejoices when people are told it is wrong to warn others about heretical teachings and things which are contrary to God's Word.

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RE: Joel Osteen? - 4/29/2008 8:43:04 PM   
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Somewhere out there in the spirit world are a bunch of devils getting quite a bit of pleasure reading all this.


Because we're obeying God's Word? I doubt it.

Based on Scripture, the demonic likely rejoices when people are told it is wrong to test another's teachings in light of Scripture.

Based on Scripture, the demonic likely rejoices when people are told it is wrong to warn others about heretical teachings and things which are contrary to God's Word.

That Christians are fighting about things that they should clearly see. That they can not clearly see them pleases the demons and that they are fighting because of it also pleases them.

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RE: Joel Osteen? - 4/29/2008 10:21:07 PM   
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And should we stop fighting to make truth known?

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RE: Joel Osteen? - 4/30/2008 7:55:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: earthless

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ORIGINAL: draexo

Somewhere out there in the spirit world are a bunch of devils getting quite a bit of pleasure reading all this.


Because we're obeying God's Word? I doubt it.

Based on Scripture, the demonic likely rejoices when people are told it is wrong to test another's teachings in light of Scripture.

Based on Scripture, the demonic likely rejoices when people are told it is wrong to warn others about heretical teachings and things which are contrary to God's Word.

That Christians are fighting about things that they should clearly see. That they can not clearly see them pleases the demons and that they are fighting because of it also pleases them.


So what are you asking to be stopped?

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RE: Joel Osteen? - 5/13/2008 7:39:57 PM   
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While we wait for draexo to let us know what he wants people to stop doing...

I can report that my MIL is, maybe, starting to see the errors of Osteen's teachings. She made a comment the other day that stunned me in my living room, "eh, he keeps talking about the same things.................."

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RE: Joel Osteen? - 5/13/2008 11:19:49 PM   
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The money he receives from book sales is enough according to a recent interview I read. I think whatever he does he has his father in mind of keeping his ministry alive and look how much it has grown. I've seen Chuck Norris sitting on the front row.


Why didn't somebody mention this earlier?. If i had know that the Chuck norris attends osteens church i wouldent have wasted all that time reading and agreeing with the post's critical of him. Now, if anyone sees David hasselhoff at any benny hinn crusades let me know a.s.a.p., i dont wanna be wrong about him too!

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RE: Joel Osteen? - 5/14/2008 8:10:12 AM   
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Too bad he never cries.

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RE: Joel Osteen? - 5/14/2008 8:29:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: earthless

While we wait for draexo to let us know what he wants people to stop doing...

I can report that my MIL is, maybe, starting to see the errors of Osteen's teachings. She made a comment the other day that stunned me in my living room, "eh, he keeps talking about the same things.................."

Beats me. I have no idea.

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RE: Joel Osteen? - 5/15/2008 8:02:33 AM   
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While we wait for draexo to let us know what he wants people to stop doing...

I can report that my MIL is, maybe, starting to see the errors of Osteen's teachings. She made a comment the other day that stunned me in my living room, "eh, he keeps talking about the same things.................."

Beats me. I have no idea.


So you have no idea what you want Christians to stop doing?

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RE: Joel Osteen? - 5/15/2008 11:17:02 AM   
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Chuck Norris has the cure for AIDS in his tears.

Too bad he never cries.


Lol earthless, dont get us going on "chuck-isms", they can overtake any thread.

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RE: Joel Osteen? - 5/15/2008 11:20:05 AM   
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While we wait for draexo to let us know what he wants people to stop doing...

I can report that my MIL is, maybe, starting to see the errors of Osteen's teachings. She made a comment the other day that stunned me in my living room, "eh, he keeps talking about the same things.................."


She's back already? I thought you said she moved out!

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RE: Joel Osteen? - 5/15/2008 1:47:57 PM   
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While we wait for draexo to let us know what he wants people to stop doing...

I can report that my MIL is, maybe, starting to see the errors of Osteen's teachings. She made a comment the other day that stunned me in my living room, "eh, he keeps talking about the same things.................."


She's back already? I thought you said she moved out!


She just left on Tuesday of this week. Her comment was made on Sunday, I almost spit out my frosted corn flakes.

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RE: Joel Osteen? - 5/15/2008 2:47:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kat_D

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While we wait for draexo to let us know what he wants people to stop doing...

I can report that my MIL is, maybe, starting to see the errors of Osteen's teachings. She made a comment the other day that stunned me in my living room, "eh, he keeps talking about the same things.................."


She's back already? I thought you said she moved out!


She just left on Tuesday of this week. Her comment was made on Sunday, I almost spit out my frosted corn flakes.


It does say "your sins will find you out."
Those who really do want to know the truth will eventually
"see" what's going on right under their noses.

That sounds like a good first step.
And it took her how long? LOL

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RE: Joel Osteen? - 5/15/2008 3:38:17 PM   
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It does say "your sins will find you out."
Those who really do want to know the truth will eventually
"see" what's going on right under their noses.

That sounds like a good first step.
And it took her how long? LOL


Some 30 years and a multi-national Word of Faith ministry.

But she hasn't let go of her beliefs yet... she is, it seems, starting to see some of things I have been telling her for the last 8 years.

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RE: Joel Osteen? - 5/21/2008 2:10:48 PM   
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It does say "your sins will find you out."
Those who really do want to know the truth will eventually
"see" what's going on right under their noses.

That sounds like a good first step.
And it took her how long? LOL


Some 30 years and a multi-national Word of Faith ministry.

But she hasn't let go of her beliefs yet... she is, it seems, starting to see some of things I have been telling her for the last 8 years.


That's about how long it took me.
When I began repenting, I became aware of more and more.

Awareness, repentance, awareness, repentance, awareness, repentance . . . . .

It doesn't end. lol.

Thank God for GRACE.

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RE: Joel Osteen? - 5/21/2008 2:12:14 PM   
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But she hasn't let go of her beliefs yet...


I've found we can't let go the "rope" of deception until the
"rope" of truth swings by and we recognize it. Then we have
to let go of the one to grab the other. lol.

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RE: Joel Osteen? - 7/21/2008 8:52:51 PM   
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Yucks! i opened this website and saw his smile on the advert above!

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RE: Joel Osteen? - 7/21/2008 9:01:14 PM   
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To be honest I have only read the OP initial thread. But my opinion on Olsteen is that he is probably a good hearted person with exttremely good intentions. In fact probably better intentions than all the mainstream preachers on television. However, the gospel of self help and prosperity makes him totally miss the mark on what he should really be preaching. He should be preaching on repentance and sin and living the Bible standard instead of just a feel good God is love gospel. Now, yes God is love and that should be boldly proclaimed but also since God is just it is imperative to preach judgment and against sin also. Therefore, Osteens gospel is unbalanced and has lost its salty savor.
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RE: Joel Osteen? - 7/21/2008 9:08:19 PM   
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i had another watch of the interview with larry king....

the only words about the gospel that stood out was

quote:

i don know, i don know


He does have a very nice smile......

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RE: Joel Osteen? - 7/22/2008 9:53:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: prophet

i had another watch of the interview with larry king....

the only words about the gospel that stood out was

quote:

i don know, i don know


He does have a very nice smile......


For reference, he said "I don't know" 87 times.

Is that who you want leading YOUR church?

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RE: Joel Osteen? - 7/22/2008 11:19:39 AM   
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He does have a very nice smile....


So did Cujo in his earlier days.

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