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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 2/27/2008 6:41:17 PM
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schupfNoodle
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sudzer, is your tongues completely in Hebrew?
I speak in tongues with some words that repeat again and again but I still don't know which language it is. I tried recording the words but I don't know how to break them off. Eg, I say ' ayanti'. Is it 'ay anti' or 'a yantee'? And looked it up on the net . Still no luck.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 2/27/2008 10:24:14 PM
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Hi awaken, in answer to your question, yes I am still in the Baptist church. I fell lead to stay there. So dear sister there are times and seasons for everything and the Lord will lead his sheep. Remembering you LBolt in my prayer tonite for what every your need is. Blessings Sudzer
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 2/28/2008 10:51:19 AM
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Sudzer,
I understand you believing that you speak in Hebrew when speaking in tongues, but have you ever had that confirmed by someone who actually does speak Hebrew? The reason I ask is because the prayer tongue/language of your spirit which is the only tongue you can speak anytime you want to, is a language that is heavenly, angelic and of no known earthly dialect. The first time I spoke in tongues I thought it sounded like an American Indian dialect, but I know now, that biblically, that just couldn't be.
1CO 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
Do you understand the difference between the two sources of 'tongues' spoken of in the bible? One tongue is from The Holy Spirit and the other tongue is from your spirit. Notice that in the above verse spirit isn't capitalized. The only thing both tongue sources have in common is your yielded body, through which they are manifested. The above verse is dealing with prayer tongues from your spirit, and not the 'gift of tongues' from The Holy Spirit like were manifested on the day of Pentecost.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 2/28/2008 12:04:12 PM
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As far as being ostracized I would have to know more of the facts concerning their perception. Generally speaking I'd say I don't agree with ostracizing since our church is probably 1/3 prayer tongue speaking.
DR
This surprised me, though after I thought about it, I decided that maybe it shouldn't be surprising.
Anyway, assuming you are a member of an active charismatic church, why do you think only 1/3 have prayed in tongues? Presumably, your church teaches that the baptism of the Spirit is meant for everyone and that everyone baptized in the Spirit has a prayer language. If that teaching is correct and if most of your church consists of people who want to receive the good things God wants to give them, it is hard to see why the fraction would be as low as 1/3.
Some things are mysteries, but I was just wondering if you have any guesses about why this is so.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 2/28/2008 2:29:51 PM
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HIM4All: ICor.14:2, notice that "unknown" and "him" is italicized in many Bibles, which means it was not in the original text. There is no such thing as an unknown tongue. "Tongues" are existing languages, but unknown to the speaker. The ability to speak in another tongue not previously learned was a phenomenon of the apostolic church as a gift from the God.It is still a gift from God to the church. Jesus explains tongues in Mark 16:17. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils, they shall speak with new tongues: Notice the Jesus says new tongues not unknown. Blessing Sudzer
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 2/28/2008 2:44:42 PM
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shupfNoodle: Ask the Lord to reveal this to you. As for me I too repeated phrases or words, such as the word Hashem and then started to pray for interpetation of tongues. I never thought to ask for the intepetation until my son told me I should do so as to glorify God to those around me. I just know that when I pray in tongues it is a praise until to God and to magnifiy Him. I learned that the words that I spoke was Hebrew one morning while watch a Jewish Christian program and the were using the same words that I use. I only understand some of the words such as Hashem, Adoni Elohim. I know when I pray that The Holy Spirit will reveal to me what I am saying and other times it is unto God alone. May the Lord God Jehovah fills us with knowlege we comprehend. Blessing Sudzer
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 2/28/2008 2:58:24 PM
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Dred,
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Anyway, assuming you are a member of an active charismatic church, why do you think only 1/3 have prayed in tongues?
Good question and I can only give some personal thoughts.
First: I suppose you might define your idea of "active charismatic" church. We also have seekers and unbelievers here, and there has been an increased attempt to reach out for more. Speaking in tongues isn't our primary agenda let alone even being on their radar.
Secondly: We actually have a number of people who came to our church from churches that have taught them tongues is gone or of the devil. They are still so indoctrinated that they don't even believe in it. It isn't our requirement for Church membership or to be a member of the family of God.
Third: People who decide they do believe in it, and actually have the faith enough to receive it, still must "earnestly desire" it enough to actually speak in an unknown tongue.
Fourth: The dunno factor....in others words, I don't know. 
Our pastor and all the elders have a prayer language. But even amongst the leaders there is the struggle to understand this gift completely because of the varying beliefs and teachings out there concerning it. Many of those opinons get aired here at CW. My own brother, who is an elder, an I don't even totally agree. Some believe you can get the Holy Spirit and then not speak in tongues. I personally believe that's shorting out the first reason to even get it. I can't prove that position but I'm certainly not going to lower that standard and allow people the comfortable spot of never seeking/desiring more since we do believe it's truly available to all. I'm thankful that our church isn't dogmatic about these things to the point that it's their way or the highway for fellowship.
So those are just some of my thoughts and I'm not going to say that's all there is to it.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 2/28/2008 3:25:59 PM
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Sudzer,
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HIM4All: ICor.14:2, notice that "unknown" and "him" is italicized in many Bibles, which means it was not in the original text. There is no such thing as an unknown tongue.
You lost me. Him in 14:2, italicized or not doesn't change the meaning. And 14:2's message isn't changed with the word "unknown" being taken out. It is still a langage "NO ONE UNDERSTANDETH".
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"Tongues" are existing languages, but unknown to the speaker.
My bible doesn't say the speaker doesn't know it, it plainly says 'no one knows it'. Where in your bible does it say prayer tongues is an existing language?
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they shall speak with new tongues: Notice the Jesus says new tongues not unknown. Blessing Sudzer
I noticed that when I spoke in tongues the first time...it was a new tongue I'd never spoken in before and it was unknown to me and everyone else in the house.
You didn't answer my questions.
ONE: Has someone who speaks Hebrew confirmed that you are speaking Hebrew? Shame the devil and tell the truth now. 
TWO: Do you know the difference between the two sources of tongues taught concerning the gift of tongues?
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 2/29/2008 12:09:56 AM
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Some believe you can get the Holy Spirit and then not speak in tongues. I personally believe that's shorting out the first reason to even get it.
I understand this is your personal opinion, but would you explain what you mean by this?
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 2/29/2008 11:05:08 AM
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There is no such thing as an unknown tongue. "Tongues" are existing languages, but unknown to the speaker. The ability to speak in another tongue not previously learned was a phenomenon of the apostolic church as a gift from the God.It is still a gift from God to the church.
It would seem that some tongues are not known to men.
Here is the verse you used;
(1Co 14:2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
The speaker is speaking to God, not to man, and none understand the speaker (except God of course)
THis is most likely referring to prayer in tongues and not prophecy in tongues. Prayer is man speaking to God. Prophecy is God speaking to man.
Paul even states that he does not understand his own prayer in tongues.
(1Co 14:14) For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
So I guess there are 3 "Kinds" of tongues. Prayer (where only God understands), "Prophecy: (that is interpreted so all present can understand), and the type spoken by the apostles an the day of Pentecost where different folks heard what was spoke in different languages.
The last one might even be the miracle of "Trlational hearing" and not of speaking in tongues (just a thought)
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 2/29/2008 12:10:41 PM
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(1Co 14:2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
Regarding this verse, it never occurred to me to draw the implications which Him4all and some others draw from it. I can't say you are wrong, but I get a different impression from the words. Specifically:
"Unknown tongue" does not tell me it is unknown to everyone. Certainly, it is at least known to God, so we all have to ask to what context is the term "unknown" limited. I have taken it to mean those typically hearing it, which are those in the church when it is spoken. "No man understands him" would be quite literally true, provided no one fluent in the particular language is in the church to hear it when it is spoken. Only those who hear have an opportunity to understand.
However, I would say it seems clear that some tongues are entirely unknown to humanity, since Paul speaks of tongues of angels at the start of chapter 13.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 2/29/2008 12:59:56 PM
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designed,
It's just my position that one of the main purposes of the baptism of the Holy Spirit is for the prayer tongue. Prayer tongues is for self edification and for praying when we really don't know how to pray. Those are the two attributes that I have benefited from the most, and also those I fellowship with. That gift (prayer tongues) seems to open the door to be used by the Holy Spirit for the other supernatural gifts which He manifests through individual, for the edification of church and others.
It has been said by many naysayers that tongues is 'least and therefore last' concerning the gifts of the Spirit. I feel like if you can't walk in the 'least' then you aren't going to walk in the 'greater'.
I'm not trying to argue that point, but it is my position.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 2/29/2008 2:50:15 PM
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designed,
It's just my position that one of the main purposes of the baptism of the Holy Spirit is for the prayer tongue. Prayer tongues is for self edification and for praying when we really don't know how to pray. Those are the two attributes that I have benefited from the most, and also those I fellowship with. That gift (prayer tongues) seems to open the door to be used by the Holy Spirit for the other supernatural gifts which He manifests through individual, for the edification of church and others.
It has been said by many naysayers that tongues is 'least and therefore last' concerning the gifts of the Spirit. I feel like if you can't walk in the 'least' then you aren't going to walk in the 'greater'.
I'm not trying to argue that point, but it is my position
I agree, if we ourselves cannot be edified, then it would be most difficult to edify otheres.
Jude puts it well;
(Jud 1:17) But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
(Jud 1:18) How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
(Jud 1:19) These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
(Jud 1:20) But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
Thanks
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 2/29/2008 6:05:13 PM
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Thank you Him4all. I appreciate your clarification. I have no desire to argue with you or anyone else for that matter. I just recently have been learning more about others positions and views on the subject of tongues and I am interested in learning and sharing my views in a healthy discussion. Lately I have been studying different aspects of the Holy Spirit and it has been very enlightening (to say the least). I guess what has struck me as most profound is that many Christians (including myself at times) lack confidence and comprehension of just how empowering and powerful the Holy Spirit is. I think the realization of this power comes to each of us in unique and different ways. Some will say there is an instantaneous type moment of clarity and submission, for others a more gradual process. I believe for some, the manifestation of tongues can be a part of that process. May we all continue to grow in humble obedience and growth and knowledge of our Lord’s ways. I will admit, I do not understand the doctrine which states that tongues are evidence of the baptism of the Spirit and that all can/should seek this particular experience. I guess I just see the manifestation of tongues as yet another gracious gift of the Lord (a certain gift given to a person individually and as He wills 1Cor12:10,11) and evidence of His wonder working power. No less worthy of humble thanks and heeding careful responsibility. But should tongues be such a staple of the Holy Spirits power? I just see so many other glorifying manifestations of the Holy Spirit’s power that I feel that I should look at this enabling power in it’s entirety and view tongues as a mere gift within the greater gift that all believers are indwelt with. A gift given to some but not all. When I look at many of the instances in the Bible where the Holy Spirit’s evidence is shown, I see the wonder working power of God manifested (not just in tongues) completely outside and beyond man’s carnal ability. I know this thread is particularly about tongues but those are my 2 or 3......  or 10 cents on how they relate to the Holy Spirit. I also find it interesting the different views on the different kinds of tongues and how they are used. This is a very long thread and I have read through a good bit of it but I look forward to ongoing discussion with those involved in it now. God bless.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/1/2008 12:12:04 AM
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RC,
How good it is to have even a little bit of agreement on this controversial topic. 
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I guess I just see the manifestation of tongues as yet another gracious gift of the Lord (a certain gift given to a person individually and as He wills 1Cor12:10,11) and evidence of His wonder working power.
I've mentioned a couple of times in recent posts that there is a difference between the tongues gifting that comes from The Holy Spirit and how that differs from the prayer tongues that comes initially to your spirit at the baptism of The Holy Spirit, I believe. The verse you quoted above isn't talking about your spirit's heavenly tongue. The verse you quoted above, is talking about the second source of tongues which is The Holy Spirit. That's the only tongue which isn't available to everyone IMO. And unless the Spirit desires to annoint you with it on any occasion, you won't speak in that Holy Spirit tongue gifting.
You are a spirit, soul, and body. You can communicate to God with all three parts of your being. Your body speaks by signing (kneeling, bowing down, raising hands, prostrate before the lord). Your soul can pray in whatever earthly languages that you've learned, I only know English. I personally believe every human spirit also has a spiritual language/tongue. But you are spiritually mute until it's healed by Jesus as he baptizes you with holy spirit power from The Holy Spirit. I sadly believe that just as some will never 'sign to God' in a church service, so also most never receive the release of their own spirit's language either.
You seem to have an open heart designed. I hope that you continue to seek the truth. May God give you the wisdom you desire concerning this subject.
DR
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/1/2008 3:00:22 AM
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If you don't mind answering a couple more questions Him4all (or anyone else with similar views on this), when you say...
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But you are spiritually mute until it's healed by Jesus as he baptizes you with holy spirit power from The Holy Spirit. I sadly believe that just as some will never 'sign to God' in a church service, so also most never receive the release of their own spirit's language either.
As I have given a small snippet of my position and views on the subject, I do have an open heart about this and desire to remain so.
Sorry if my questions may be redundent. But could you or someone explain your position on what the baptism of the Holy Spirit is and why you feel that the gifts of tongues are evidence of this/available to all? Do you feel that being "filled" with the Spirit is the same as being"baptised" with the Spirit? (Scripture references appreciated) Thanx to anyone who may take the time to do this. I have been reading (studying the Word) and praying for wisdom and discernment regarding this subject. But I appreciate those of you who are open about discussing your experience and views, as I have found very few to share, edify, and converse with in these regards.
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Who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar;
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/1/2008 5:15:36 PM
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O.k, so I've had a little more time to read more of this thread and I think I have a basic grasp on what some consider the baptism with the HS. So if any would still like to explain it from there own perspective I'm still ears/eyes. Many of the referneces in Acts certainly give me the impression that tongues kinda came with the package but as another person much earlier in this thread mentioned, there is some ambiguity to the subject in general. I'm still confused as to the many interpretations of the various types of tongues. I just don't see many different biblical references. Though I do believe that a "prayer tongue" is mentioned (voice of angels/pray in spirit). A friend recently asked me questions about tongues. She is a shut in and I am the only other Christian she has regular contact with. She is so thirsty for the Word and we have agreed to start a weekly Bible study together. I was very hesitant to mention that tongues have manifested in my life though very recently (month and a half ago). She was so glad I mentioned it because she has spoken/prayed in them too. I feel so humbled about it all and a bit uncomfortable talking about it (why is that?). The few people I have tried to talk to about it just point me to scripture (which is very wise)and I will say that the views I've read from the cessasionists were disturbing if only for a brief time. God is so amazing. I never asked for this and honestly I don't want to make a mountain out of a mole hole. I'm just looking and praying for understanding.
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Who gives the sun for light by day
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Who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar;
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/1/2008 7:00:44 PM
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designed,
God bless you for your work with the shut in.
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I feel so humbled about it all and a bit uncomfortable talking about it (why is that?).
Before I finished this last sentence I was asking myself the same question you had in parentheses. As I thought of your answer I'd have to say it's probably because somewhere along the line you have been adversely influenced to keep this experience in the closet like it was kin to a homosexual experience or something. One 'unnamed' individual who has posted a lot of downright threatening diatribes here is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. The unlearned can easily be influenced by this type of individual.
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Sorry if my questions may be redundent.
No apology necessary IMO. I've often said the only dumb question in bible studies I lead are the ones people don't ask....because you're dumb...as in deaf and dumb. IOW you didn't ask it because you were dumb/quiet/didn't speak.
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But could you or someone explain your position on what the baptism of the Holy Spirit is and why you feel that the gifts of tongues are evidence of this/available to all?
Now the waters get deeper and there are a lot of undercurrents of opinion. I personally don't believe you get The Holy Spirit when you are born again. I believe your spirit becomes holy at new birth and the translators goofed up our thinking with their theological understanding and capitalization of the words holy and spirit when they shouldn't have. I have a study bible which deals with this very position. It states that the translators made that mistake over 50 times in the NT. It's called The Companion bible and it only comes in KJV since it was first written over a hundred years ago. Why would a bible so old still be in print? Because of the truths it contains.
That's why in chapter 8 of Acts the Samaritans who had been preached the gospel, believed it and then were correctly water baptized by Stephen and yet they still did not have the Holy Spirit according to scripture.
ACT 8:14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
When did Jesus receive The Holy Spirit...upon Him? At thirty years of age. What spirit did he have within him before that? It was a holy spirit which was conceived by The Holy Spirit. And that perfect unpolluted (no inherited iniquities or sin) human spirit had enough power for him to understand who He was in scripture and also walk a perfect sinless life according to the law. But that spirit did not have enough power for him to ever perform a miracle as far as is recorded in scripture. The spirit of Jesus is the same kind of holy spirit we get when we get born again...the holy spirit of Jesus which makes us his spiritual brethren.
HEB 2:17 Therefore he had to be made like hisbrethren in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make expiation for the sins of the people.
I don't like long posts and I'm going to stop here for that reason.
DR
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/2/2008 8:32:51 PM
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I have been asking God for clarity in many areas of my life lately. Tongues have been an area I have been asking about. I think I may have gotten a little hung up on the subject for a moment and found myself getting all jumbled up by taking in too many outside opinions/views while trying too hard to figure it all out. Last night in prayer I felt God speak so crystal clear, it brought me to tears. He said, love is elevated above all else. This reminder was such a perfect answer to many of my recent prayers, even though its beautiful simplicity should be so very obvious at all times. Praise the Lord for His truth endures forever . I will be bowing out of this thread for now. God bless.
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Who gives the sun for light by day
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Who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar;
The LORD of hosts is His name:
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/2/2008 11:37:12 PM
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designed,
There is no clearer message that one needs to hear...and walk in. God be with you.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/4/2008 7:04:10 PM
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I am glad to see that you have backed of of calling tongues, and the other gifts works of the devil, etc.
Methinks you assume too much.
By quoting that verse, out of context with the rest of the chapter, and what Paul was saying, you could apply, Unknown tongue,” to anything that has no intelligible meaning. You are quoting out of context, for all Paul was talking about was any language, unknown to the congregation.
What you are doing has nothing to do with what Paul was talking about.
And I do consider modern tongues as well as all the other supernatural phenomena as from the Devil. Absolutely without any doubt!
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/5/2008 8:59:15 AM
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And I do consider modern tongues as well as all the other supernatural phenomena as from the Devil. Absolutely without any doubt!
Well the Bible does tell us that there are those who will not understand nor believe in the Gifts of the Holy Spirit in the area of tongues;
(1Co 14:23) If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
Unbelieves and the unlearned will not understand, but praise God the saved and mature will.
THanks
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/5/2008 10:07:46 AM
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RC,
I think the translators of the bible, who more than likely didn't speak in tongues, were way too soft in their interpretation with that word "unlearned" in the verse you just quoted. Read Strong's definition.
2399 idiotes: a private person, i.e. (by impl.) an ignoramus (comp. "idiot")
Given some of the responses we read in this thread, if this definiton was inserted into the text I wonder how many would take a more serious look at things? And sadly, by virtue of the definition of the word, how many still couldn't look at things differently. Regardless, I guess our command is still to love them where they're at.
DR
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/5/2008 2:26:54 PM
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rcjames
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ORIGINAL: Him4all
RC,
I think the translators of the bible, who more than likely didn't speak in tongues, were way too soft in their interpretation with that word "unlearned" in the verse you just quoted. Read Strong's definition.
2399 idiotes: a private person, i.e. (by impl.) an ignoramus (comp. "idiot")
Given some of the responses we read in this thread, if this definiton was inserted into the text I wonder how many would take a more serious look at things? And sadly, by virtue of the definition of the word, how many still couldn't look at things differently. Regardless, I guess our command is still to love them where they're at.
DR
Ignorramous" fits really well with folks who place a gift of the Holy Sp;irit at the hands of the devil. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit also comes to mind.
Him4all, great explanation in post 2018 on the indwelling/baptism thingy. I have some other passages to add in support of that, but will have to wait; as I only have time for "Drive-by posting" today and maybe this whole week.
Thanks
RC
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/5/2008 2:37:45 PM
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So sad, this is a beautiful gift that He has given to the body of Messiah. To hear that it's now "antiquated and of the devil" shows a lack of understanding of the scriptures. It spoken of in OT and NT. See Isaiah 28:11, Acts, I Cor. 14 et al.
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