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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/5/2008 3:30:34 PM
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rcjames
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So sad, this is a beautiful gift that He has given to the body of Messiah. To hear that it's now "antiquated and of the devil" shows a lack of understanding of the scriptures. It spoken of in OT and NT. See Isaiah 28:11, Acts, I Cor. 14 et al.
You put it much more delicately and kindly than I do, you are correct that it is sad and it has eternal consequences.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/5/2008 8:06:54 PM
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Understanding the Scriptures?
“The Secret of the Lord is with those who fear him.”
The gift of tongues was seen in action on the day of Pentecost, was it not?
Act 2:1-12 and they were Galileans, speaking in foreign languages.
This is not what the Pentecostals are doing.
Paul was just speaking of a foreign language 1 Corinthians 14:10-11.
How can it be any clearer. To ascribe this unintelligible babble to the Holy Spirit is just plain sad to say the least, to be so desperate for supernatural phenomena that you will accept such a thing. My faith is built upon Gods promises, not on ridiculous manifestation that are not from the Holy Spirit.
Two things that the charismatic and Pentecostal church is doing that will have eternal consequences, rending the word of God 2 Peter 3:16 (That is taking a verse and taring it out of its context) and falsely prophesying. (Ezekiel chapter 13)
Pasters will come under a greater condemnation, (James 3:1) so it will be they who lead others into this error that will see the greater punishment. This isn’t a game, this is serious stuff, and having a great following will not change that fact.
The Holy Spirit does not work through supernatural manifestations, but through the truth, I cannot remember the verse number but Jesus said, “I will send you the Spirit of Truth,” so it is through the truth that we are regenerated and renewed (Titus 3:5) it has nothing to do with warm feelings or whatever. The gifts given to the early church was for the Holy Spirit to convey the truth, that same truth by which we see in the Bible. So no need for the gifts anymore. The Pentecostal and Charismatic church came about by men who were no longer satisfied with the truth but needed more. God works today through the truth, (John 17:17)
Please come to your senses before it is too late! God does not work through supernatural means but by the truth. He did use the supernatural in the early church and at times in the nation of Israel to establish the truth, but once given we are not to seek after more signs, but be satisfied with what God has already given us. Today God works through the truth.
Read Mathew 5:21-23
If you love God you will obey His commandments.
Psalm 50:16:17
Edit: The usual reasons, bad gramma, bad spelling, bad English, good intensions 
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/5/2008 11:07:17 PM
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This is not what the Pentecostals are doing.
Paul was just speaking of a foreign language 1 Corinthians 14:10-11.
How can it be any clearer. To ascribe this unintelligible babble to the Holy Spirit is just plain sad to say the least, to be so desperate for supernatural phenomena that you will accept such a thing. My faith is built upon Gods promises, not on ridiculous manifestation that are not from the Holy Spirit.
Their are 3 different types of tongues. One is where you actually speak in another language which you have never spoken before, like spanish, or another language, One is for interpretation, and their is the unknown tongue (prayer language)
That seems very dangerous calling it unintelligible babble
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/6/2008 9:30:50 AM
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RC,
Drive by postings??? That was funny. Have a good one.
FearoftheLord,
Your imput is very valid. Unfortunately it has fallen on deaf ears. I have made that same point, with scriptural support, numerous times. It has never been addressed by GH. He merely recants his same old mantra, never dealing with an understanding that's at a level deeper than where he is.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/6/2008 8:27:05 PM
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Well I have already made it clear what Paul meant by unknown tongue.
There are no historical accounts in the New Testament on this modern Babble. All you have to back it up is a verse misquoted. It is you guys who continually throw that same verse in peoples faces, contrary to all other good advice, not even really knowing what it means. None of the Apostils in Acts spoke in an unintelligible babble. They spoke in several different foreign languages, I.E various kinds of tongues. Tell me something, why is the term, 'unknown tongues' not stated within the gifts of the Spirit.
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That seems very dangerous calling it unintelligible babble
Well a rose by any other name is still a rose. You can call it whatever you want, that isn’t going to change what it is.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/7/2008 9:43:13 AM
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Several of us have presented ample Scripture to support the Baptism of the Holy Spirit as well as the Gift of Tongues but GH refuses to see what is clearly stated in the Bible.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/7/2008 10:03:21 AM
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Several of us have presented ample Scripture to support the Baptism of the Holy Spirit as well as the Gift of Tongues but GH refuses to see what is clearly stated in the Bible.
Maybe we should try a parable on him;
(Mat 13:13) Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
Personally I feel sorry for anyone who is so cynical and has that much anger. So I pray for GH to recieve the Baptism of the Holy GHost with the evidence of speaking in tongues.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/7/2008 10:10:07 AM
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Several of us have presented ample Scripture to support the Baptism of the Holy Spirit as well as the Gift of Tongues but GH refuses to see what is clearly stated in the Bible.
Maybe we should try a parable on him;
(Mat 13:13) Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
Personally I feel sorry for anyone who is so cynical and has that much anger. So I pray for GH to recieve the Baptism of the Holy GHost with the evidence of speaking in tongues.
Thanks
RC
Amen, brother, because it is WILL OF GOD for all believers to receive the promise of the Father.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/7/2008 11:37:53 AM
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By the way I have been to those Churches where they have prayed in a unknown tongue. But they equated it as the same as speaking in tongues. Which please give me a break they weren't preforming that. So when you state that it a sign for the believer, to show that they have salvation. Then you have made a requirement on something that God didn't.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/7/2008 12:47:41 PM
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1 Corinthians 12
Spiritual Gifts
1Now about spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be ignorant. 2You know that when you were pagans, somehow or other you were influenced and led astray to mute idols. 3Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.
4There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6There are different kinds of working, but the same God works all of them in all men.
7Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues. 11All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines.
This passage shows that gifts of the Holy Spirit are given individually and in the measure that God deems appropriate. It does NOT say that ALL will speak in tongues or that all will interpret, but that SOME will. The Holy Spirit will manifest in all believers, but not in the same ways or with the same gifts.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/7/2008 12:48:45 PM
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GH,
I'm going to break rank and address you one more time GH, and I am not even sure why. It seems futile to me. 
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Well I have already made it clear what Paul meant by unknown tongue. You certainly have not! It is only "clear" to those who do not see or experience as we see and experience.
Let me explain to you again, what happened when the disciples/Gentiles got prayer tongues for their spirit first and then spoke in prophetic tongues from The Spirit second.
ACT 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues (prayer tongues), as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Acts 2:6 Now when this ("this" what? Prayer tongues from their spirit, that's what) was noised abroad, the multitude (the foreigners) came together (came together where? where the disciples were gathered), and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language (what language? prophetic tongues known by man from The Spirit).
Youngs Literal Translation makes it even clearer that we're talking to separate events.
YLT ACT 2:6 and the rumour of this (unknown prayer tongue) having come, the multitude came together, and was confounded, because they were each one hearing them speaking in his proper dialect,
In Young's translation it says it wasn't even their unknown prayer tongues that brought the foreigners near to where the disciples were at. It was the rumor of their "unknown to man" prayer tongues. Then, when the foreigners gathered where the disciples were located THEN they heard their own "proper dialects" being spoken. Two separtate events and two separate tongues, just as it is today....but only if YOU "earnestly desire" and 'believe'. Those are both qualifications you do not have by your own testimony GH.
The same experience happened at Cornelius' house 10 years later. The Gentiles heard the gospel, believed and then spoke in tongues (unknown prayer tongues, no known foreigners even present) and then prophesied (in their native language) by the power of The Holy Spirit.
ACT 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues (unknown prayer tongues from their spirit), and magnify God (Prophesy via The Spirit). Then answered Peter,:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?
I too received the Spirit just as the Gentiles had. Spoke in tongues which "no man understands" first, and then spoke in English to those present "magnifying God."
Please don't respond to this expecting me to enter in to more unproductive dialogue with you GH. You simply aren't seeking for anything more than what you already walk in. I'm not slamming your Spirit experience...only your divisive spirit.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/7/2008 1:07:47 PM
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mcleod,
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So when you state that it a sign for the believer, to show that they have salvation. Then you have made a requirement on something that God didn't.
No one here is making that requirement for salvation. The believer we're speaking of is someone who believes in the baptism of the Holy Spirit, not someone who believes in Jesus for salvation. Corinthians makes that distinction between the two groups.
1CO 14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned (unbelieving/unexperienced in tongues), or unbelievers (unbelievers in Jesus for salvation), will they not say that ye are mad?
Can you think of anyone here who thinks we're mad for speaking in tongues? Don't have to read many posts do you?
Restored_Heart,
You too prove that you do not understand the difference between the two sources of tongues. One tongue is from your spirit which is for all believers who have a born again spirit. And the second tongue is the one in the list you quoted from, which is a tongue from The Holy Spirit. The first tongue is for your own edification as you speak to God and the second tongue is for church edification as The Spirit speaks to man.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/7/2008 1:19:24 PM
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Show me in scripture where there is this distinction please?
I see different things manifest in believers, not all have to have a tongue that is unknown to them.... Most do their edification through their native tongues confessing that Jesus is LORD. It also says that if a tongue cannot be translated, it should not be used in assembly, I believe....
Of all the things about the Holy Spirit...
these are manifest in all
Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness and self-control.....
The gifts are as God gives them, not as mans thinks He gives them.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/7/2008 1:50:17 PM
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By the way I have been to those Churches where they have prayed in a unknown tongue. But they equated it as the same as speaking in tongues. Which please give me a break they weren't preforming that. So when you state that it a sign for the believer, to show that they have salvation. Then you have made a requirement on something that God didn't.
Nckeod,
Did the announce that the "prayer" was speaking in tngues (prophecy) or was that an assumption on the part of an unlearned one (you).
From 1 Corinthians 14 here plainly seems to be "Three differnt tongus" (remember "Diverse" tongues) from chapter 12;10 in First Corinthisans.
Prayer language (which no man understans besides God), prophecy (given by God to man and requeres a translator) and singing in tongues (which again is man worshipping God, and not understood by the speaker, or others; only God).
Then of course there is the tongues spoken by those who were baptised by the Holy Ghost and some folks understood them in their native language (which of course could be the miracle of hearing in one's native language).
Thanks
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/7/2008 6:55:17 PM
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In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. (1Co 14:21-22)
"With men of other tongues and other lips." This clearly refers to other languages.
And here...
Divers kinds of tongues.:
(1Co 12:10)
Diversities of tongues.
(1Co 12:28)
This obviously means more then just three different types of tongues. For there is only one type of tongues, and that is the several different types of languages spoken by mankind.
There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification. (1Co 14:10)
The unknown tongue comes into the next verse.
Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me. (1Co 14:11)
It is absolutely clear in scripture that the "unknown tongue' is just an ordinary language not known by the church at Corinth. They were using the gift, and preaching in a language none of them knew, for the sake of experiencing the gift itself, they were putting it on show. That was not what the gift was for, but for preaching to unbelievers.
"Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not."
The Corinthians were misusing the Gift of tongues, but that gift which has ceased, (1 Corinthians 13:8) is nothing to do with what they are passing of as the gift of tongues today. If anyone is saying that there has been people speaking in other languages, like Chinese or whatever, today are just blatantly lying. That's the problem, there are just too many people telling lies in the church today, to keep the idea alive that the Holy Spirit is giving out gifts, such as healing and tongues. None of this is happening, just stories and talk. Don't be so gullible. Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. Because there are tricksters, shysters and liars everywhere. All trying to introduce the supernatural work of the Devil, because that is the only thing really happening in the Church today.
Jesus said that this would happen in the last days.
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. (Mat 24:24)
Why follow the Devil, he deceived Eve and just look at the consequences of that. Now he is deceiving you all who practice and follow after the supernatural.
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (Mat 7:21-23)
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/7/2008 7:17:08 PM
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Restored_Heart,
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Show me in scripture where there is this distinction please?
The next 2 verses are talking about the tongues on the day of Pentecost which were earthly languages spoken and understood by the men who were in Jerusalem for the feast.
ACT 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. 5 Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven. 8 And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language?
The following verse is speaking about the prayer tongue which is a heavenly and angelic language but were not earthly language of man. It's your spirit's prayer language to God for self edification (1Co 14:2).
1CO 14:2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the spirit.
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I see different things manifest in believers, not all have to have a tongue that is unknown to them....
I disagree because, I believe that all spirits have a spirtual tongue/language. Why would God refuse anyone's spirit the opportunity to speak to Him? Scripture says what was "heard" on Pentecost is for ALL:
ACT 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
ACT 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to ALL that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
You are someone who is "afar off" from the time of Peter's sermon and if you are a Christian then scripture says the promise is for you too.
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It also says that if a tongue cannot be translated, it should not be used in assembly, I believe....
You're not quite correct there either. Scripture plainly says to let two or three speak in 'tongues'. But if no one steps out in faith and interprets with the 'gift of interpretation' from the Spirit then those who did have the faith to speak in a tongue may have not had a tongue from The Holy Spirit like they thought. But it says they are still to speak/audibly in that prayer tongue to God. So scripture indicates that those speaking didn't truly have a word from The Spirit, they were simply speaking not in annointing but out of zeal in their own prayer tongues.
1CO 14:27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, two - or at the most three - should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret.28 If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and God.
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Of all the things about the Holy Spirit...these are manifest in all
Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness and self-control.....
The gifts are as God gives them, not as mans thinks He gives them.
Now you are now confusing the gifts of The Spirit with the fruit of the spirit. Once again those are two totally different things. Any one who is born again has the ability to develop spiritual fruit in their lives just like Jesus did for 30 years before He received The Holy Spirit and started to walk in the supernatural giftings.
I know this is long so please take the time to pray and then read it several times to make sure you understand it.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/7/2008 8:42:10 PM
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Believers do still get baptized with the Holy Spirit, but not with the gifts of the spirit which are not applicable today. The Holy Spirit first fills the person with a conviction of sin and then shows them their only hope of Salvation which is Christ. That is the work of the Holy Spirit. there is certainly no great work of the holy spirit in regards to the day of Pentecost today in any church.
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show it unto you.
(John 16:7-14)
Applicable To us...
And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin
To the disciple
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you (not the world) into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show it unto you.
You see some things only applied to the disciples. By their writings which were inspired by the holy Ghost, we are instructed, not by direct communication as they were. That's why peter made steps to keep (2 Peter 1:15) his teaching preserved after his death.
No one today has the gifts of the holy Spirit, only false signs and wonders.
They confuse the supernatural as being baptized with the Holy Spirit.
You have not the leading of the holy spirit as the Apostles had, and so you are being led astray and are leading people astray.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/8/2008 10:09:14 AM
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Believers do still get baptized with the Holy Spirit, but not with the gifts of the spirit which are not applicable today. The Holy Spirit first fills the person with a conviction of sin and then shows them their only hope of Salvation which is Christ. That is the work of the Holy Spirit.
Holy cow, now you are saying that the baptism of the Holy Ghost is for unbelievers so they will want to become believers; that is more than unbelievable, that statement is utterly asinine.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/8/2008 5:55:49 PM
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RC,
Ditto
I'm beginning to believe that having GH here claiming how wrong we are is our biggest asset.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/11/2008 5:41:03 PM
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Holy cow, now you are saying that the baptism of the Holy Ghost is for unbelievers so they will want to become believers; that is more than unbelievable, that statement is utterly asinine.
Is that what I said?
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The Holy Spirit first fills the person with a conviction of sin and then shows them their only hope of Salvation which is Christ.
How can they be unbelievers if they come to Christ for salvation?
If you have not experienced this work of the Holy Spirit then your are not yet saved.
This is all the work of the Holy Spirit that is needed.
Tell me something, have you ever healed a blind man or a cripple or raised the dead, or have you just experienced emotional highs and warm feelings and such. You have not the gifts, or even the Holy Spirit for that matter. Glory in your shame, what is it to me, you guys have considered yourselves unworthy to receive the truth and so I will not bother you with it anymore.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/11/2008 7:38:59 PM
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rcjames
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ORIGINAL: Godhead
The Holy Spirit first fills the person with a conviction of sin and then shows them their only hope of Salvation which is Christ.
Please give Script;ure on where the Holy Ghost "Fills" a person with a conviction of sin?
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Tell me something, have you ever healed a blind man or a cripple or raised the dead, or have you just experienced emotional highs and warm feelings and such. You have not the gifts, or even the Holy Spirit for that matter. Glory in your shame, what is it to me, you guys have considered yourselves unworthy to receive the truth and so I will not bother you with it anymore.
Have I ever healed a blind man or a cripple or raised the dead; no, of course not.
But I have laid hands on the sick as instructed in Scripture and watched God heal them then and there? Yes, many times.
Maybe it is better for you to leave so I do not have to. Since you insist on denying and/or attributing the work of the Hyly Spirit (blaspheming the Holy Ghost). I had rather not be in the same room as you when that big Gold Thumb comes down through the roof, as I would not want to get splattered by something.
I and the Church will continue to pray for you (in English and in tongues).
Thanks
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/15/2008 10:17:28 PM
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bassmandrex
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Has anyone ever spoken with other tongues, not knowing what you are saying?
If you have not i would encourage to do it and would follow what Peter said in Acts 2:38
Those that believe that it is unnecessary probably have never done it or think that it is weird but i see it as loving God and the first step to knowing Him! If you have spoken in tongues i would like to hear how the experience was and if you haven't why haven't you!
(i am new here but and i assume that many wont agree with me because i am a Oneness Pentecostal but i figure it will bring good discussion)
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/16/2008 1:17:06 AM
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I am brand spanking new here. I have a specific request, but feel I need to post my say-so. I am a Christian, Born Again, filled with the Holy Spirit and .........I don't speak in tongues. My first church was Pentacostal which people emphasized it very much there. I begged and pleaded with God for that "touch of the Holy Spirit" then I got mad and yelled and cursed him and didn't return for a month. It was the love of some brothers that drew me back. I have since come to realize by studying the word, that there is no reason to beleive that scripture indicates the the spiritual gifts, such as tongues stopped, but clearly what some churches teach are not accurate as well. I think it comes down to context of the scripture they are quoting. I am in a non-denominational church with a a tongues speaking Pastor and our church would be described as "charasmaitc with a seatbelt" God is a God of order and that's what we have. I have seen God grow this church from 20 or so people to over 100 and merge (yes merge!) with another congregation and the Holy Spirit was in on it all the way. Although still small we are making big impacts in our community in Christ's name. Since my traumatic experience i beleive I have had encounters with the Holy Spirit, through my writing and reading of scriptures and assesments of people and siutations at my Job and within my congregation and that actually started with me when I(w/Holy Spirit) dealt with my own failings. In fact, if not for that very first church I would not have found my new church(he is the former youth pastor) so even in that God was working it all together, etc.. etc.. and that's my story. Now, my request
I am compiling a list of famous, committed followers of Christ who did not speak in tongues, if anyone could direct me to a website or just provide oodles of names for me it would be greatly appreciated.
< Message edited by dsantorejr -- 3/16/2008 1:25:24 AM >
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