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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/21/2008 3:09:43 PM
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Ezra
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I have a friend that says you can't have a close intimate relationship with God without tongues and There seems to be an idea that without tongues, you may not have "power" as well.
This is the real error of "tongues". It implies that those who speak in tongues are somehow closer to God and more spiritual, therefore more empowered.
In fact, the Pentecostal teaching was that the evidence of being baptized with the Holy Spirit was speaking in tongues. This made it painfully clear that non-tongues Christians were second-class citizens in the Kingdom of God.
Nothing could be further from the truth. Paul makes it crystal clear that not all will speak in tongues, and that those who do so should clearly understand that 5 words of prophecy are superior to 10,000 words in tongues (1 Cor. 14:19). If the teaching of Paul regarding tongues was understood and taught, tongues would be put in perspective.
Regardless, modern tongues have little in common with the gift described in the NT.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/21/2008 3:11:11 PM
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RC,
I think it just simply means what it does.. that the languages being spoken were known human ones that the listeners knew as their own native tongue.
Earthless, I have great respect for you, but it does not say what language was spoken; only what language was heard. I really think this is important to understand for many naysayers of prayer in tongues, singing in tongues, etc; claim that if it is not a known language it is bogus.
Paul plainly writes that;
(1Co 14:2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
I just really think that that chapter needs to be studied more for a complete explaination of the complexities of "Tongues".
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/21/2008 4:00:42 PM
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I like you guys, you go back and forth and back and forth on what tongues are and aren't. What you have missed. Seeing this if I understand correctly. That it's on the bottom of the pole anyways. As far as gift giving from God.
Also notice that Paul in his letter to the church put in a love type sermon between talking about gifts. Which everybody can quote from but few can really possible live it. Do too worrying about a gift giving. You have Hagin jr. stating that when you speak with a tongue. Then it is a sign you are saved. So-I guess I must be going to hell then, with his thinking.
But, what when I do something kind and I say something kind to someone then guess what? It is the Holy Spirit in me that does that. For when I tell someone, even in my native language , then I am talking in a tongue. Because it is the Holy Spirit speaking through me about a God who cares.
Then there is the tongue in which you are then talking to God. And for my sake please as I was growing up. I heard a lot of loud mouths, who should have been a littler quieter with that.
So when you see it in that way we are all speaking in a tongue to someone about God.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/22/2008 9:31:46 AM
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Bass,
I didn't misunderstand, I quoted your very post.
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Maybe it was the miracle of hearing and not speaking?????
I agree with Earthless, there is no gift of hearing listed in Corinthians, or any place else, so I'm going to disagree just on that basis (even though theoretically it could be true). And they weren't believers so they weren't receiving the gift of interpretation either IMO.
Earthless,
I believe the disciples received their unknown prayer tongue first and then when the crowd heard the noise they were drawn to the disciples and then they spoke in the tongues of men. I addressed that some time back.
Ezra,
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This is the real error of "tongues". It implies that those who speak in tongues are somehow closer to God and more spiritual, therefore more empowered.
Unfortunately your opinoin is in contradiction to scripture in part at least. In 1Cor 12 if you look in the Greek, the word gifts is missing in verse 1. That means that if you read it literally it says: "Now concerning spirituals.." In other words...those who are more spiritual. What in the world is wrong with believing that people who walk in the supernatural gifts of the Spirit are more spiritual than those who don't?
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/22/2008 12:00:03 PM
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I agree with Earthless, there is no gift of hearing listed in Corinthians, or any place else, so I'm going to disagree just on that basis (even though theoretically it could be true). And they weren't believers so they weren't receiving the gift of interpretation either IMO.
I did not say "Gift" of hearing, I said the possibility of the 'Miracle" of hearing. There could have been another gift in operation here; the gift of interpretation of tongues.(in that some of the believers there were interpretating),
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/22/2008 2:21:25 PM
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What in the world is wrong with believing that people who walk in the supernatural gifts of the Spirit are more spiritual than those who don't?
There are several things wrong with this concept:
1. The supreme supernatural gift -- above all others -- is agape (charity). See 1 Cor. 13. Therefore bringing tongues to the forefront contradicts Scripture. Without apage, tongues mean nothing. With agape, tongues take a backseat to all the other gifts.
2. The spiritual gifts are given for the edification of others. But spirituality is measured by the FRUITS OF THE SPIRIT (love, joy, peace, etc.). Once again, love leads these fruits.
3. To claim that the evidence of being filled with the Spirit is speaking in tongues is inconsistent with Scripture. The Lord Jesus Christ was always and continuously filled with the Spirit, yet all He spoke on earth was Aramaic and Hebrew.
4. Tongues were a sign for unbelieving Jews, but prophecy was the gift given to edify the saints, therefore 5 words of prophecy were superior to 10,000 words in tongues. Hence the emphasis on tongues is false.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/22/2008 4:02:54 PM
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...4. Tongues were a sign for unbelieving Jews, but prophecy was the gift given to edify the saints, therefore 5 words of prophecy were superior to 10,000 words in tongues. Hence the emphasis on tongues is false.
I would agree that many put too much emphasis on tongues (whether they be prayer, prophesy, or singing), but to negate them is to refuse to accept part of the working of the Holy Spirit in the Church.
Thanks
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/22/2008 4:50:57 PM
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Ezra,
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There are several things wrong with this concept:
Personally I think there is something wrong with your response too. So I'll just go through each point...from my point of view, which lines up with my bible and my experience.
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1. The supreme supernatural gift -- above all others -- is agape (charity). See 1 Cor. 13. Therefore bringing tongues to the forefront contradicts Scripture. Without apage, tongues mean nothing. With agape, tongues take a backseat to all the other gifts.
First thing lacking here, is an understanding that the "supreme supernatural gift isn't charity/love." Once again I say, love isn't a gift of the spirit it is a fruit of the spirit. That truth has been pointed out so many times here I'm amazed you still try to use it as a point of debate. Another thing, read your bible without prejudice and you will see that it doesn't say "tongues means nothing" without love, it says "I am nothing". We should therefore desire both gifts and fruit...tongues and love. I am desiring both....the question you need to honestly answer in your heart is...are you?
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2. The spiritual gifts are given for the edification of others. But spirituality is measured by the FRUITS OF THE SPIRIT (love, joy, peace, etc.). Once again, love leads these fruits.
Purely your opinion, but it simply isn't supported scripturally, as I mentioned earlier concerning the translation of 12:1. The bible defined who or what was spiritual/supernatural and it then listed the 9 manifestations of The Holy Spirit. I'm simply believing what the bible says.
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3. To claim that the evidence of being filled with the Spirit is speaking in tongues is inconsistent with Scripture. The Lord Jesus Christ was always and continuously filled with the Spirit, yet all He spoke on earth was Aramaic and Hebrew.
Not inconsistent with scripture at all. What is inconsistent is your above logic...prove Jesus did pray/speak in tongues...You can't. If Jesus was "always and continuously filled with the Spirit" (as you said) and He manifested all the other gifts, then I guess he had to speak in tongues too, since it's one of the gifts.
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4. Tongues were a sign for unbelieving Jews, but prophecy was the gift given to edify the saints, therefore 5 words of prophecy were superior to 10,000 words in tongues. Hence the emphasis on tongues is false.
You simply can't win an argument that's based upon the above position of not "rightly dividing the word of truth." In your opinion above, you neither 'divide' the two Sspiritual sources of tongues in scripture...or the two purposes of tongues. Your reasoning is inductive and not deductive and it therefore leads you to soulish falsehood instead of spiritual reality.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/24/2008 11:14:40 PM
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I've posted numerous times about my beliefs regarding tongues and perhaps this will be my last - the one thing that seems to be profoundly misunderstood is that one's prayer language in tongues and the Gift of Tongues are two different gifts.
I have never operated in the Gift of Tongues nor Interpretation by the will of the Holy Spirit, but I can speak and sing in tongues anytime I desire.
There are many times I don't know what to pray or how to pray but the Holy Spirit does - always. I do not know what language I am praying in and honestly, it doesn't matter (after 8 years, I have an idea which language it might be) - what matters is that I am speaking about the works of God.
The one thing that is overlooked in our defending and condemning of tongues is that the true purpose of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is to empower (power and authority) believers to be effective witnesses for Christ - not necessarily for the gifts that will follow. The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is the spiritual filling up and overflowing of the Living Water in the soul and spirit of man.
Regardless of the controversy, the initial physical evidence as shown throughout Scripture is one who has been filled will speak in tongues (prophesy is also listed).
The Gift of Tongues is just ONE of NINE of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit - why aren't the others condemned equally?
This I do know - if you are a true lover and seeker of the truth, you'll want all that God has for you and won't settle for anything less. He will show you truth of His Word; the Spirit of Truth wouldn't have it any other way.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/26/2008 3:10:02 PM
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I agree with you Derek. One time I was praying with a gentleman and he began to pray in Spanish (a language he doesn't speak) I recognized some of the words he was saying. It truly amazed me!
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/26/2008 3:16:39 PM
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I agree with you Derek. One time I was praying with a gentleman and he began to pray in Spanish (a language he doesn't speak) I recognized some of the words he was saying. It truly amazed me!
What a blessing that must have been for you!!! To even know a little of what I'm saying in tongues would no doubt bring me to my knees in tears before our loving and precious Lord.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/26/2008 3:31:07 PM
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This I do know - if you are a true lover and seeker of the truth, you'll want all that God has for you and won't settle for anything less...
Exactly.
And after fervently seeking the evidence of speaking in tongues for seven years, my Lord told me that it wasn't something He had for me. It was huge relief to learn that I didn't have to acquire a certain gift to be baptized in the Holy Spirit and that the higher gifts were also His to give.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/27/2008 10:54:58 AM
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Jimbofletch,
How did you fervently seek?
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/27/2008 4:28:46 PM
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This I do know - if you are a true lover and seeker of the truth, you'll want all that God has for you and won't settle for anything less...
Exactly.
And after fervently seeking the evidence of speaking in tongues for seven years, my Lord told me that it wasn't something He had for me. It was huge relief to learn that I didn't have to acquire a certain gift to be baptized in the Holy Spirit and that the higher gifts were also His to give.
He told you in your spirit that this isn't for you OR was it about the specific Gift of Tongues? I find it difficult to accept that what I've been taught is contradicted by something you "heard" from God and you don't have Scripture to support it.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/27/2008 5:51:57 PM
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round and round the mulberry bush we go....
just in case it needs clarification - it was not necessary for Jesus to speak in tongues and besides, nobody did before Pentecost - at Pentecost a new age of the Spirit was begun and as Jesus said at the end of Mark - with the coming of the Spirit, people will speak in new tongues, cast out demons (notice no one could but Jesus prior to Pentecost) lay hands on the sick and see healing, etc. When Jesus said the disciples would do greater works than he did, it was a reference to Pentecost and that "greater" meant not more miraculous but greater in extent, or in terms of geography since Jesus came to seek and save that which was lost in Israel. We, the people of God are to do greater works than Jesus in seeing God's salvation to the ends of the earth.
I disagree with the notion that tongues makes one more spiritual than another who may not yet speak/pray in tongues. Evidence of one's spiritual maturity is not tongues (or the lack thereof) but rather evidence of the fruit of the Spirit (Gal 5:22-23).
Also, there is no direct correlation between spiritual ministries (or gifts) and the fruit of the Spirit, per se. Certainly the fruit may be affected by one's reception of Spirit Baptism (as in possibly somewhat accelerating their development, with the right heart and attitude of humility and repentance before God) but not the other way around. Spirit Baptism is charismatic empowerment for witness to Jesus in he world in both word and deed. The fruit of the Spirit indicate one's spiritual maturity in Christ and takes time and effort (continual submission to the Spirit) to develop in the heart and life of the believer.
This is why I believe we often see so much disconnect between those folks who may have the Baptism of the Spirit (as seen in Acts 2:4ff) yet display little evidence of the fruit of the Spirit (spiritual maturity) and those who have great spiritual maturity (fruit of the Spirit) and yet may not have the Baptism of the Spirit (Acts 2:4ff).
Again, tongues are not an indicator of spiritual maturity but rather the fruit of the Spirit (Gal 5:22-23).
I do agree with Ezra, love is key. This is why the "love" chapter (13) is put in between 12 and 14. Without love, the gifts most likely won't be used and applied properly in a congregational setting. Love is to be at the heart of functioning in Spiritual ministries (or gifts). I use the term "ministries" because they are to empower and build up others, not exalt the self, which tends to happen when we use the term "gifts", it puts the focus on the individual instead of the congregation.
Hope this helps.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/27/2008 5:54:02 PM
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I am desiring both....the question you need to honestly answer in your heart is...are you?
ps. FYI: This is spiritual counsel and not permitted on the forums.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/28/2008 1:22:38 PM
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Manwe,
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round and round the mulberry bush we go.... You're right, a fruit bush instead of a firey bush representing the supernatural power of God. Maybe it's time to switch bushes. 
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just in case it needs clarification - it was not necessary for Jesus to speak in tongues and besides, nobody did before Pentecost -
If it wasn't necessary then he wasn't the "the pre-eminent" pattern son "made like unto his brethren in every respect". The same 'brethren' who did speak in tongues after Pentecost. Were the brethren 'more eminent' in your opinon? No answer needed, I know you don't believe that Manwe.
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at Pentecost a new age of the Spirit was begun and as Jesus said at the end of Mark - with the coming of the Spirit, people will speak in new tongues, cast out demons (notice no one could but Jesus prior to Pentecost) lay hands on the sick and see healing, etc.
The age of the Spirit didn't begin with Pentecost it began with Jesus. At Pentecost the people simply received what Jesus the forerunner had already received 3 1/2 yrs earlier. The 'age of the Spirit' was only new for 'the church'. It was not new for, He who received the Spirit without measure, at His baptism. After which He started preaching the gospel of the kingdom. His, was the first baptism of The Spirit, along with all the attending gifts that are part of that experience/kingdom (admitting point of silence with a caveat..Joh 21:25). Without the power we simply preach a limited gospel of growing fruit and going to heaven. But we are not accessing all God's available power for us here an now. We limit ourselves to only the power of our own holy born again spirits). A power that is enhanced by allowing our spirit to pray in tongues.
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We, the people of God are to do greater works than Jesus in seeing God's salvation to the ends of the earth.
COL 1:23 ...the gospel which you heard, which has been preached to every creature under heaven,...
Your "ends of the earth" mandate appears to be done, according to scripture...so what's the harvest hold up? Quantity or quality? I'd say quality, because we aren't pursuing the gospel Jesus preached...the gospel of the kingdom which consists not of fruit, "but of power"...and not the gospel of the circumcision that Peter preached or the gospel of the uncircumcision that Paul preached (Gal 2:7). Two gospels which created doctrinal and relational strife (Gal 2:11).
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I disagree with the notion that tongues makes one more spiritual than another who may not yet speak/pray in tongues. Evidence of one's spiritual maturity is not tongues (or the lack thereof) but rather evidence of the fruit of the Spirit (Gal 5:22-23).
I get a lot of disagreement on that "notion" Manwe, but never any debate scripturally on the interpretation of 1Cor 12:1 as I've presented it. The bible determined the definition of spiritual in that verse. Fundamental bible translators unable to accept that simple fact (because it left them lacking) simply added the word gifts. I respect your knowledge of the Gr. Manwe, but I repect the opinion of a third generation Baptist theologian even more. He taught this interpretation at the '67' Full Gospel convention in Denver. His reception of tongues caused him to take another look at scripture/theology in the light of his tongues experience. An experience which after receiving...he went and administered to his entire Baptists congregation with, not even one, being left out of a prayer tongues experience. You can say it was a soverign act of God but I believe that his people were simply taught the truth and received. 
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Again, tongues are not an indicator of spiritual maturity but rather the fruit of the Spirit (Gal 5:22-23).
That scripture simply doesn't defend your position IMO. Gifts and fruits are two different things in our quest for the maturity of 'the Christ'. If Jesus needed the gifts, those who are truly mature need the gifts. BTW I don't think anyone has reached that goal " the maturity of the fullness of Christ" yet.
When the wheat finally reaches the maturity of that grain from which it sprang...then will come the harvest.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/28/2008 1:27:15 PM
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Manwe,
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ps. FYI: This is spiritual counsel and not permitted on the forums.
If I've breached a rule then I apologize.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/28/2008 1:50:07 PM
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I really like the formulation our Presbyterian brothers have come up with on this (and the other 1 Cor 12) gift(s).
It leaves no one out, has no 2nd class believers. In studying the greek, and the operation of the HS in OT passages, they say this:
At regeneration every believer gets the HS dwelling within them. This empowers them to live a holy life, and grow in the fruit of the Spirit.
At times, the HS will come upon a believer episodically for acts of power. This is a ministry gift and in no way reflects on the character of the individual so moved upon.
Holy Spirit within for character; Holy Spirit upon for ministry.
At times of the Spirit coming upon, the believer may manifest a gift or several gifts of the Spirit. This annointing will be gone after a while - it is not at the command of that believer.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/28/2008 3:20:04 PM
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This I do know - if you are a true lover and seeker of the truth, you'll want all that God has for you and won't settle for anything less...
Exactly.
And after fervently seeking the evidence of speaking in tongues for seven years, my Lord told me that it wasn't something He had for me. It was huge relief to learn that I didn't have to acquire a certain gift to be baptized in the Holy Spirit and that the higher gifts were also His to give.
He told you in your spirit that this isn't for you OR was it about the specific Gift of Tongues? I find it difficult to accept that what I've been taught is contradicted by something you "heard" from God and you don't have Scripture to support it.
I seldom even bother to respond any more to this sort of statement. After 41 years as a believer, I still get people like you who can't imagine that what they are taught doesn't mesh with what the Lord taught me through the Bible and that it's beyond you to understand how I could possible know my Savior's voice. I would think you hear people say all the time they have a word from God and you accept at face value, but if it contradicts what you were taught, then its a whole other gig...
Scripture clearly reveals that not everyone received the gift of tongues and that it, in fact, is the least of the gifts.
But if everyone is supposed to have that gift, then the same logic dictates that every believer receives every gift of the Spirit and we don't need each other. We can all just go off and be a church unto ourselves.
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Jimbofletch,
How did you fervently seek?
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Is "fervently seek" too vague? I thought most believers could relate to such phrase. Or is it that seven years was too short of time to agonize before the Lord over something? Or is it that the results must indicate I'm a fool, a liar, or I just used the wrong words in my prayers on my face before Him?
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Gnats and Camels come to mind.
If I come across as disrespectful it's just that that was the way I was received in giving this old man's testimony.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/28/2008 5:57:43 PM
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Dave,
I didn't know that's what the Presbys taught. I agreed with all of your post except the point of us getting The Holy Spirit within. I believe our spirit within becomes holy with regeneration. That is the spirit promised of God, and not His Spirit. Though they both are of the same essence and bear witness to one another (Rom 8:16).
Jimbo,
None of your post's 'self condemning comments' were even in my mind. They weren't in my mind 'thinking of you' nor are those thoughts in my mind when I think of anyone else who hasn't received. Personally, I've never heard anyone ever make those 'demeaning comments' toward anyone who hadn't received. I personally don't think the perceptions of a, "second class status" attitude (like Dave mentioned) even come from us as much as it comes from yourselves...from within.
The reason I asked you to explain 'fervently' for me was this: By your own admission you believe you 'had all there was' for 7 years and yet you never heard the Spirit say that...after 7 years of seeking??? I'd think that if you heard the Spirit then you should have heard the Spirit say that 7 years earlier. But I'm saying that because I still believe it is for you and available to you. That's why I post here. I'm always hoping to help you/anyone else believe that same way I believe.
You don't sound "disrespectful" to me at all Jimbo. You just sound hurt, and for that I am sorry. That's not the way it should be IMO....whether it's real or merely perceived.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/29/2008 11:49:18 PM
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There is only one gift of tongues as recorded in the Bible…
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
(Act 2:4)
Other tongues mean other languages.
Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
(Act 2:6)
There is no other gift of Tongues but that mentioned above. This gift was spoken about by Paul…
I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh, with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
(1Co 14:5)
To another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
(1Co 12:10)
So when Paul mention an unknown tongue, he was clearly referring to one of the many Languages spoken in the world, yet one which was not spoken by the congregation at Corinth.
Compare…
To another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues
(1Co 12:10)
Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
(1Co 14:13)
With…
I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all: Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
(1Co 14:18-19)
What they are doing today is not what Paul was talking about and so should be abandoned with extreme prejudice. I show clear scriptural evidence yet they will not listen. How can the body of Christ benefit from a gift that is not from God. How can an individual benefit from a gift that is not from God. It is clearly satanic in origin and it would be madness to have anything to do with it.
May the Lord God of Israel give you understanding in this matter and make it clear to you all. Amen!
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/30/2008 10:00:53 AM
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rcjames
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Manwe,
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ps. FYI: This is spiritual counsel and not permitted on the forums.
If I've breached a rule then I apologize.
DR
(Hint) Manwe is not a moderator by the way.
Thsnks
RC
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/30/2008 10:10:38 AM
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rcjames
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There is only one gift of tongues as recorded in the Bible…
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
(Act 2:4)
Well that is one for sure, but let's not forget;
(1Co 14:2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
Well that cannot be prophesy because it is man speaking to God so walla it must be prayer.
And then there is this;
(1Co 14:15) What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
So what this ole country boy plainly sees is Prophecy in tongues (that must be interpreted), praying in tongues (speaking to God), and singing in tongues (worshipping God).
Godhead, I am really pleased to see that you have came to the knowledge of the truth (actually partial knowledge) that there are tongues. Just keep studying and it will be revealed to you about praying and singing in tongues.
Thanks
RC
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/30/2008 4:16:14 PM
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