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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 4/13/2008 10:32:02 PM
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awaken
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Speaking in tongues are not a gift to the Old Testament believers, it was for the church...it is a gift of the indwelling spirit. Old Testament saints as I understand it were not indwelt with the spirit, it only came upon them.
Speaking in tongues seem to be a sign on the day of Pentecost of the Holy Spirit indwelling.
When you pray in tongues you are trusting God (faith that pleases), that his perfect will is prayed. I do not know God's perfect will, but His spirit that lives within me does. I pray with my own knowledge about a matter and I trust the Holy Spirit to pray the details(tongues). Jude 20 speaks of praying in the Holy Spirit...I would like someone to explain praying in the Spirit, if it is not tongues?
Those that do not believe will never experience this gift, God does not move in unbelief.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 4/14/2008 9:39:47 AM
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rcjames, perhaps you can spell this out for me. If I or anyone else does not believe that modern day babbling is the actual gift of Biblical tongues, what eternal consequences will we suffer? Do you believe I/we are going to hell? I would just appreciate an honest answer on your views. Thanks
I do not think that there would be any eternal consequences for not believeing in, nor not speaking in tongues.
Paul did not mention any, even though he said there were those in the 1st century Church who did not speak in tongues.(1 Cor. 14 where Paul says he wished that all spoke in tongues).
Any eternal consequences would come from attributing the speaking in tongues to the devil and not the Holy spirit as that would fall directly under blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.(Math. 12: 24-32).
And Christ is very plain spoken about the consequences of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 4/14/2008 9:43:35 AM
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rcjames, perhaps you can spell this out for me. If I or anyone else does not believe that modern day babbling is the actual gift of Biblical tongues, what eternal consequences will we suffer? Do you believe I/we are going to hell? I would just appreciate an honest answer on your views. Thanks
I do not think that there would be any eternal consequences for not believeing in, nor not speaking in tongues.
Paul did not mention any, even though he said there were those in the 1st century Church who did not speak in tongure.(1 Cor. 14 where Paul says he wished that all spoke in tongues).
Any eternal consequences would come from attributing the speaking in tongues to the devil and not the Holy spirit as that would fall directly under blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.(Math. 12: 24-32).
And Christ is very plain spoken about the consequences of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
Thsnks
RC
I once did not believe in speaking in tongues, I do not remember actually saying it was from the devil, but I did hear it often.
I do speak in tongues now, it was out of ignorance and wrong teaching that I did not believe. Did I blaspheme the Holy Spirit if I said that tongues were not of God before?
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 4/14/2008 10:25:08 AM
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I once did not believe in speaking in tongues, I do not remember actually saying it was from the devil, but I did hear it often.
I do speak in tongues now, it was out of ignorance and wrong teaching that I did not believe. Did I blaspheme the Holy Spirit if I said that tongues were not of God before?
I would think that since you recieved the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and the gift of speaking in tongues that you are not banned from the Kingdom.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 4/14/2008 11:41:26 AM
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I do not think that there would be any eternal consequences for not believeing in, nor not speaking in tongues.
Paul did not mention any, even though he said there were those in the 1st century Church who did not speak in tongues.(1 Cor. 14 where Paul says he wished that all spoke in tongues).
Any eternal consequences would come from attributing the speaking in tongues to the devil and not the Holy spirit as that would fall directly under blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.(Math. 12: 24-32).
And Christ is very plain spoken about the consequences of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
But here's the thing. I, and apparently many others, *do* believe in the gift of tongues. We just happen to believe in the Biblical definition of tongues rather than a modern day phenomena that doesn't fit the description. And because we don't attribute incoherent babbling to the Holy Spirit we will be going to hell? Just seems a bit ironic.
Thanks for answering honestly, rcjames, and God bless you! I appreciate it.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 4/14/2008 2:19:46 PM
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But here's the thing. I, and apparently many others, *do* believe in the gift of tongues. We just happen to believe in the Biblical definition of tongues rather than a modern day phenomena that doesn't fit the description. And because we don't attribute incoherent babbling to the Holy Spirit we will be going to hell? Just seems a bit ironic.
Thanks for answering honestly, rcjames, and God bless you! I appreciate it.
Not agreeiing with or not having an understanding of something does not mean you automatically attribute it to the work of the devil.
I do not agree with ultra OSAS, but I do not attribute those that do to being in cahoots with the devil.
I hope you see the difference.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 4/14/2008 6:34:04 PM
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Hello Godhead,
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But they were using the gifts at the time when He (Paul) wrote the letter. The fact is, no one has these gifts now. Why did Moses write so much about the patriarchs, the Hebrews being delivered by great miracles and the law, if they are not suppose to be around today. The Bible is a record of How God has brought about our redemption. That by them my may have hope. It is a record for us of Gods redemptive work.
For whatever things were written before were written for our learning, so that we through patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope.
(Rom 15:4)
Yes,When Paul wrote about tongues they were prevalent in the church.
Now when did Paul say tongues would cease?
8 Charity never faileth: but whether [there be] prophecies, they shall fail; whether [there be] tongues, they shall cease; whether [there be] knowledge, it shall vanish away. 9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. 13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these [is] charity.
Looks like tongues won't cease until we are face to face with God. We are still at the "in part" stage.
I don't see the relevance of Moses to anything. The Old Testament is basically a history of a people who God has had dealings with ,and out of which the Messiah came.
Paul tells us that the Law was as a teacher to us.
Gal. 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Now the scripture you posted tells us the scripture was given that we might have hope-but hope seen is no longer hope- and as I posted -now abideth faith, hope, and charity- it is evident that we are living in the time where we need to have hope-not in a time where our hope is no longer necessary because we know as we are known.
Are you under the impression that there is only one tytpe of tongues when scripture plainly says there are diverse kinds of tongues?
Yours in Christ,
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 4/14/2008 7:00:05 PM
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I do not think that there would be any eternal consequences for not believeing in, nor not speaking in tongues.
Paul did not mention any, even though he said there were those in the 1st century Church who did not speak in tongues.(1 Cor. 14 where Paul says he wished that all spoke in tongues).
Any eternal consequences would come from attributing the speaking in tongues to the devil and not the Holy spirit as that would fall directly under blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.(Math. 12: 24-32).
And Christ is very plain spoken about the consequences of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
But here's the thing. I, and apparently many others, *do* believe in the gift of tongues. We just happen to believe in the Biblical definition of tongues rather than a modern day phenomena that doesn't fit the description. And because we don't attribute incoherent babbling to the Holy Spirit we will be going to hell? Just seems a bit ironic.
Thanks for answering honestly, rcjames, and God bless you! I appreciate it.
I agree with you lw9. I believe there are some people who speak in tongues, but the problem stems from the Modern Charismatic Movement which says you have to speak in tongues in order to have the Holy Spirit. The "tongues" the Charismatic movement advocates is not the Biblical gift of tongues, but is rather a Hoax (deception).
Your sister in Christ Jesus,
Jessica
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 4/14/2008 7:05:08 PM
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Are you under the impression that there is only one tytpe of tongues when scripture plainly says there are diverse kinds of tongues?
Yours in Christ,
T.J.
Rightly you have said that there are many.
And they were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, Behold, are not these who speak all Galileans? And how do we each hear in our own dialect in which we were born? Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya around Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians, we hear them speaking the great things of God in our own languages.
(Act 2:7-11)
I see no nonsensical babble there 
But answering the evil spirit said, Jesus I know, and I comprehend Paul, but who are you?
(Act 19:15)
It amuses me that some Christians try and play the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit card. The Jews did that, but Jesus was doing such great and wonderful works amongst them. Those who claim that I am blaspheming the Holy Spirit, are not doing anything even remotely similar to the great works that Jesus was doing. All you have is this nonsensical babbling, which Jesus never did, and some minor supernatural phenomena, non of which is recorded in the Bible. Never have any of you done the great works that Jesus, Peter and Paul had done. Not even remotely close. So how can you claim to have the same authority? If you had done the great works that they have, then I would be blaspheming the Holy Ghost in rejecting you, but you are not. So to suggest that I am blaspheming the Holy Spirit is simply ludicrous. It is blasphemy to compare yourselves and what your are doing with the great works of Jesus, Peter and Paul. All the supernatural happenings and practices in the church today are from the occult. That is a fact to anyone who is not ignorant of the occult. When they start doing the great and mighty works that Jesus, Peter and Paul have done, then they will get my attention. The reason why Paul gives us an extensive account of the gifts, is that we may distinguish between the real and the false.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 4/14/2008 11:37:14 PM
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i think we should love and encourage each other and refrain from criticizing. i believe in free will. personally i believe that tongues (unknown variety) should only be done in private. it is much controvertial (unknown tongues). a beloved pastor and dear friend was terminated becuz he admitted speaking in tongues. let us not try to control each other. be nice.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 4/15/2008 10:10:26 AM
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It amuses me that some Christians try and play the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit card. The Jews did that, but Jesus was doing such great and wonderful works amongst them. Those who claim that I am blaspheming the Holy Spirit, are not doing anything even remotely similar to the great works that Jesus was doing. All you have is this nonsensical babbling, which Jesus never did, and some minor supernatural phenomena, non of which is recorded in the Bible. Never have any of you done the great works that Jesus, Peter and Paul had done. Not even remotely close. So how can you claim to have the same authority? If you had done the great works that they have, then I would be blaspheming the Holy Ghost in rejecting you, but you are not. So to suggest that I am blaspheming the Holy Spirit is simply ludicrous. It is blasphemy to compare yourselves and what your are doing with the great works of Jesus, Peter and Paul. All the supernatural happenings and practices in the church today are from the occult. That is a fact to anyone who is not ignorant of the occult. When they start doing the great and mighty works that Jesus, Peter and Paul have done, then they will get my attention. The reason why Paul gives us an extensive account of the gifts, is that we may distinguish between the real and the false.
Cynacism is as cynacism does and you do it really well.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 4/15/2008 12:19:14 PM
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I think that there's a basic disconnect here...
There is a difference between questioning *a specific practice* of speaking in tongues, and questioning the fact that there is *a spiritual gift* of speaking in tongues.
I believe that speaking in tongues is a spiritual gift.
I don't believe that most of the people you see babbling insanely and loudly and interrupting a service are actually practicing that spiritual gift. I think they're showing off at worst, and just trying to do what they're expected to do regardless of leading of the Holy Spirit at best.
I believe the concept that everyone must manifest the spiritual gift of speaking in tongues in order to be a Christian is incorrect, as speaking in tongues is not the only spiritual gift available and it is made quite clear scripturally that not everyone will have every single gift.
I believe the concept that you can teach people to manifest the spiritual gift of speaking in tongues is borderline heretical.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 4/15/2008 12:31:50 PM
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I think that there's a basic disconnect here...
There is a difference between questioning *a specific practice* of speaking in tongues, and questioning the fact that there is *a spiritual gift* of speaking in tongues.
I believe that speaking in tongues is a spiritual gift.
I don't believe that most of the people you see babbling insanely and loudly and interrupting a service are actually practicing that spiritual gift. I think they're showing off at worst, and just trying to do what they're expected to do regardless of leading of the Holy Spirit at best.
I believe the concept that everyone must manifest the spiritual gift of speaking in tongues in order to be a Christian is incorrect, as speaking in tongues is not the only spiritual gift available and it is made quite clear scripturally that not everyone will have every single gift.
I believe the concept that you can teach people to manifest the spiritual gift of speaking in tongues is borderline heretical.
Most of this I agree with, I do agree that speaking in tongues is a spiritual gift...I do believe it is happening today...I do believe that there are some that misuse it..I do not believe that if you do not speak in tongues you are not a christian, I believe everyone can, but there are a lot of gifts that we have form our Lord that we do not use-mainly because we do not understand them.
I have experienced in my christian journey that most spiritual things are not understood with our mind first...sometimes we have to believe and then experience.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 4/15/2008 12:53:32 PM
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So if I were to stand up in the middle of church next Sunday and just start babbling while praying that the Holy Spirit make it mean something, am I exercising a spiritual gift or am I just being silly?
“Now, brothers, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction?" (1 Corinthians 14:6).
"If anyone speaks in a tongue, two — or at the most three — should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret. If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and God" (1 Corinthians 14:27-28)
Romans 12:4.Just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function,
5.so in Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others.
6.We have different gifts, according to the grace given us. If a man's gift is prophesying, let him use it in proportion to his faith.
7.If it is serving, let him serve; if it is teaching, let him teach;
8.if it is encouraging, let him encourage; if it is contributing to the needs of others, let him give generously; if it is leadership, let him govern diligently; if it is showing mercy, let him do it cheerfully.
My spiritual gift simply isn't tongues. I accept that. I'm not going to pretend I have a spiritual gift that I have not been gifted with just to gain approval from others, and I'm frankly horrified that some people insist that members of their congregation do so.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 4/15/2008 2:16:33 PM
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Hello everyone!
I am quite appalled that some of us here are putting too much importance on the gift of tongues. If you read 1 Corinthians 12 carefully, you will notice that the gift of tongues is the last gift on the Apostle Paul's list of spiritual gifts, meaning least important.
1 Corinthians 12:4-11
4Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; 5and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; 6and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone. 7 To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. 8For to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, 9to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, 10to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills. (ESV)
Why would the Apostle Paul put tongues last on his list? Obviously, tongues are the least important gift.
And even though tongues are the least important gift, they are the most abused today. So many churches require that you speak in tongues or else you don't have the Holy Spirit. That will cause most of the congregation to fake it. And there is a lot of that going on right now. I know of a congregation that requires you to speak in tongues and I BET that a good amount of them, if not all of them, are just babbling out of their minds (meaning FAKING it).
Your sister in Christ Jesus,
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 4/15/2008 3:05:35 PM
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So if I were to stand up in the middle of church next Sunday and just start babbling while praying that the Holy Spirit make it mean something, am I exercising a spiritual gift or am I just being silly.
That would depend if your are praying in tongues or singing in tongues (that would be the Spirit speaking to God trough man);
(1Co 14:2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
(1Co 14:14) For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
(1Co 14:15) What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
Or prophesying in tongues;
(1Co 14:13) Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
Or if your just being silly; then you are just being silly and mocking the Holy Spirit.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 4/15/2008 3:43:52 PM
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Hello everyone!
I am quite appalled that some of us here are putting too much importance on the gift of tongues. If you read 1 Corinthians 12 carefully, you will notice that the gift of tongues is the last gift on the Apostle Paul's list of spiritual gifts, meaning least important.
1 Corinthians 12:4-11
4Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; 5and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; 6and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone. 7 To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. 8For to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, 9to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, 10to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills. (ESV)
Why would the Apostle Paul put tongues last on his list? Obviously, tongues are the least important gift.
And even though tongues are the least important gift, they are the most abused today. So many churches require that you speak in tongues or else you don't have the Holy Spirit. That will cause most of the congregation to fake it. And there is a lot of that going on right now. I know of a congregation that requires you to speak in tongues and I BET that a good amount of them, if not all of them, are just babbling out of their minds (meaning FAKING it).
Your sister in Christ Jesus,
Jessica
True, tongues are probably faked everywhere, but so are people in all aspects of the christian walk. But this is no proof that the true gift doesn't exist.
Also tongues +interpretation= prophecy (1 Cor. 14:5) says that prophecy is greater except he interpret. I believe all gifts through the Holy Spirit are important. Tongues were misused then just as they are now.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 4/15/2008 3:54:20 PM
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True, tongues are probably faked everywhere, but so are people in all aspects of the christian walk. But this is no proof that the true gift doesn't exist.
Also tongues +interpretation= prophecy (1 Cor. 14:5) says that prophecy is greater except he interpret. I believe all gifts through the Holy Spirit are important. Tongues were misused then just as they are now.
Most preceptive post.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 4/15/2008 4:05:40 PM
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Hmm. I guess let me tell you a story.
When my husband started college, he was just back from a missions trip. He was on fire. He made friends with a guy who was similarly on fire, and they discusses how they wanted to evangelize the college campus of this secular engineering school. They made plans regarding how they were going to do it, prayed about it, etc. They really felt led to do it.
However, his friend was from a church that insisted that speaking in tongues was necessary, both to show that you're "baptized of the Holy Spirit", and to show that what you were planning to do is of God. Now, this guy was a very earnest Christian, still is as far as I know (I knew him), and he never to my knowledge actually manifested the gift of tongues, but he was very sincere in thinking he needed to, because that's what he had been taught.
So, this friend insisted that in order to show that God was working in their desire to go out and tell people on campus about Jesus, they first needed to speak in tongues, to show that they had been "baptized by the Holy Spirit".
My husband's friend was too earnest in his belief to fake it.
My husband respected the gifts of the Spirit too much to fake it.
My husband couldn't convince his friend that it was unnecessary.
So they put their plans aside and never did any of them, because they had not been "anointed" and their plans had not been "baptized by the Holy Spirit".
So, I must ask, what do you think of that?
Should my husband or his friend have faked it in order to get on with God's work?
Were my husband and his friend's plans to evangelize on campus not God's work because they weren't gifted with speaking in tongues?
Or, do you think it was a tragedy that their fire to evangelize on campus burned out due to an inappropriate expectation placed on a young man by a church that misunderstood the gift of tongues?
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 4/15/2008 4:47:54 PM
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I do not believe in faking anything concerning God, that is being a hypocrite.
If the fire that stirred them was truly the Holy Spirit the conviction would still be there, but we need to consider quenching the Holy Spirit. Sometimes we put the fire out ourselves...again there is that old devil that has come to kill, steal and destroy...so there could be a number of reasons that could have put the fire out.
But we should never give up on what God has called us to do, even if we come across some things that make us stumble.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 4/15/2008 4:57:41 PM
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I have no doubt there was fire and conviction of the Holy Spirit there. The only thing that held them back was the lack of "baptism of the Holy Spirit", which according to my husband's friend had to be shown by the speaking of tongues. So, since neither of them apparently has that spiritual gift, and neither of them was hypocritical enough to fake it, nothing ever came of their conviction and fire.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 4/15/2008 5:17:51 PM
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awaken
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The "Baptism of the Holy Spirit" is something that I still struggle with, whether this is seperate than salvation or if it happens all at once when someone repents, and trust Jesus as their Savior.
People grow in different ways (spiritually), With me I believe that When I trusted Jesus the Holy Spirit came to live inside me. I know He has always been with me and could give numerous testimonies....but it was some years later that I seem to be losing my zeal for the Lord. It was then that I prayed, not understanding anything other than I wanted to experience more of God. I embraced the truth in scriptures concerning the gifts of the Holy Spirit..In my search of more of God he led me to this truth. My life has changed in a way that I can not put down in words, He has opened my spirit and freed me of so many man-made idea's...and the power to live out what I had learned all those years, well I can not put it down in words how it has changed...but there is a difference!
So if this was a seperate experience(Baptism) I can not say, I just know that the Lord is good, faithful and if we seek Him we will find, knock...He will answer...ask and we will recieve-more than we deserve..GOD IS GOOD!!!!!
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 4/15/2008 9:03:41 PM
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LoyalGypsy
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ORIGINAL: JesKlu
Hello everyone!
I am quite appalled that some of us here are putting too much importance on the gift of tongues. If you read 1 Corinthians 12 carefully, you will notice that the gift of tongues is the last gift on the Apostle Paul's list of spiritual gifts, meaning least important.
11All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills. (ESV)
Why would the Apostle Paul put tongues last on his list? Obviously, tongues are the least important gift.
Your sister in Christ Jesus,
Jessica
Greetings,
There is no gift that is greater than another gift, the order really has no significance as long as all the gifts reflect the prophecy of the book, = 4Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit;
Otherwise the gifts that are not of this book are of something else, then to determine if they are of something else it would incorporate another with the ability to distinguish between spirits, to make that assumption. 
So if any gift does not reflect the prophecy of the book and unless an interpreter has the ability to distinguish between spirits, which is the pastors JOB! Who should know these things…..
But ….many times the pastor does not even possess the gift of teaching let alone anything else 
This reflects the secularism of the church in general, as it did the temple in Jesus day.
So when the gifts go unchecked and are accepted any which way the wind blows, the problem within the church is that they in like manner as the Pharisees in the OT ... do not promote certain gifts.....are therefore creating tradition,
And by sticking to a single motif, they are therefore found to be wanting.
So this tradition of keeping the gifts from operating, which is seen here in attitudes by the various posters who reflect such traditions…..these Gifts which were intended to give the “full” counsels, and is seen in part as Jesus addressed tradition in Matthew 15:1-9
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Why would the Apostle Paul put tongues last on his list? Obviously,
He doesn’t
Loyal Gypsy
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 4/16/2008 9:41:38 AM
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rcjames
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ORIGINAL: Zhi
My husband's friend was too earnest in his belief to fake it.
My husband respected the gifts of the Spirit too much to fake it.
No as faking it would be lying and deception. Your husbands work in the Lord does not hinge on him speaking in tongues nor working with the Church that is telling him he has to speak in tongues.
I have a number of folks in my Church that do not speak in tongues, my music director is one of them, most folks do speak in tongues. Paul plainly states that not all speak in tongues even though he wishes they did.
Where I am at on folks speaking in tongues in my Church is based on;
(1Co 14:39) Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
(1Co 14:40) Let all things be done decently and in order.
Thanks
RC
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 4/16/2008 8:33:03 PM
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