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need quick response-full time employees - 8/17/2008 3:15:15 PM
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imforlife
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I am in negotiations for benefits at my new job. They are offering 5 sick days, 1 week paid vacation and 6 major holidays paid. I am not thrilled as I guess I have been spoiled in my last job. Before I negotiate, please tell me the following:
In your full time job:
How many sick days?
How many vacations? (how long)
How many paid holidays?
How long have you been at your job?
Thanks
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RE: need quick response-full time employees - 8/17/2008 4:00:56 PM
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Miss Giggles
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This all depends on which company you are working for. I get only PTO which can be used for sick or vacation.
I do get a few more paid holidays since I am a contractor for the govt and its worked into our contract because really no one works those days. So I am off every federal holiday
So I think I get two weeks for less than 5 years which is average.
< Message edited by Miss Giggles -- 8/18/2008 8:17:40 AM >
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RE: need quick response-full time employees - 8/17/2008 4:03:22 PM
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Neeva_Candida
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When I started I got:
1 week paid Vacation
I could accrue up 240 hrs of Sick at 3.04 hours every two weeks. After that balance was reached the excess hours were written off.
6.5 paid Holiday.
24 years later I get:
3 weeks paid Vacation
Everything else is the same.
~Neeva
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RE: need quick response-full time employees - 8/17/2008 6:46:43 PM
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creationtalk
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When first starting:
Federal Holidays
and
4 hours annual leave (time to be used for vacations, etc)--around 2 weeks per year
4 hours sick leave
Accrued every 2 weeks.
After 5 years annual leave increases to 6 hours earned per 2 weeks; after 15 years it increases to 8 hours earned per 2 weeks.
When I was a contractor, I could take leave any time I wanted...but if I did not work, I did not get paid...this applied to holidays. When I was teaching I was paid a flat salary for 9 months--no summer salary and 5 sick days, vacation days when school is out (still preparing lessons, etc), no vacation days when I was supposed to be teaching.
What is reasonable for vacation and sick days depends a lot on the company and what you are doing. If you think you should have more time off, you can ask for it.
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RE: need quick response-full time employees - 8/17/2008 11:52:50 PM
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IonMoon
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I get the major holidays- can't say which off hand, maybe 6 of them? We only get paid 8 hours for each, but we work 10 hour days... so we can either have a lower paycheck that week, or we can combine it with 2 hours PTO.
I get PTO which can be used for sick, vacation, or personal time. I get a total of 5 weeks/year (40 hours/week). I have been there about 3 years. Started lower, but is now at the max I will get (it may go up after 10 years or something, but if it does it is long enough away that I didn't even pay attention).
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RE: need quick response-full time employees - 8/18/2008 8:15:14 AM
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sisrev
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My last job, everyone started with 10 days of vacation a year, 8 days personal, holidays were Memorial Day, July 4th, Labor Day, 2days at Thanksgiving, 1/2off for Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, and New Years Day. Vacation could only be taken after it was accrued--3.33 hours per pay period (twice monthly). Personal time could be borrowed out to the end of the year. Vacation time could be rolled over to the next year, as long as you didn't accumulate more than twice what your annual vacation was. Personal time that was not used during the year was paid out at the end of yeat (actually, you ususally got an extra little check around the 5th of Jan for any personal time you had left from the year before.) If you started in the middle of the year, your total time off was whatever vacation & personal could be accrued from your hire date to the end of the year.
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RE: need quick response-full time employees - 8/18/2008 11:03:53 AM
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NoShow
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I've found that one can (try to) negoiate the items you mentioned, to get comparable to what they are leaving. I've been at my current company for ten years, but in that time, many of my peers have been successful, not losing vacation and\or sick time, as well as not having to vest in 401(k).
If you ask for these things and tell them they could be potential deal killers (diplomatically of course) they should let you know whether or not they can negoiate on them.
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RE: need quick response-full time employees - 8/18/2008 11:52:09 AM
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blessedinnyc
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quote:
ORIGINAL: imforlife
I am in negotiations for benefits at my new job. They are offering 5 sick days, 1 week paid vacation and 6 major holidays paid. I am not thrilled as I guess I have been spoiled in my last job.
Thanks
I think this isn't totally unreasonable for your first year on the job. Generally, it's uncouthe to exercise paid vacation in your first six months on the job, anyways. Ask for a provision for a week of unpaid vacation your first year, and for two weeks paid vacation after a year.
IMHO, if you're not getting two weeks paid vacation after a year, though, that's way too low.
One advantage of working for a financial company is that the exchanges have a lot of holidays and half days.
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RE: need quick response-full time employees - 8/18/2008 12:30:40 PM
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GregandJenny
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When I started I got none.
Now I have 3 weeks vacation
5 sick days
and because the nature of the job only 2 holidays.
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RE: need quick response-full time employees - 8/18/2008 12:37:33 PM
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bluestone
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A report in my area of the country gave most beginning jobs here as having:
zero sick days
vacation of five days after one year
no health insurance, or insurance fully paid by the employee.
what is reasonable depends on your experience, the company, the position, and the area you live in.
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RE: need quick response-full time employees - 8/18/2008 5:39:42 PM
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imforlife
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Well, its done. I negotiated to have one week's paid vacation and the week between Christmas and New Year's off and paid.
5 sick days--I have children so that is a little low to me
I can deal with 2 weeks vacation, but one is pushing it as my job is a fast burn out type.
Thanks for your input. I start next Monday.
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RE: need quick response-full time employees - 8/19/2008 12:29:43 PM
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kernsfamily
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When I first started here at this job:
10 paid "vacation days"/2 weeks (accrual rate of 6.67 hours per month....vacation can be taken at ANY time....whether it is already "accrued" or not)....you are EXPECTED to use your vacation time during the year it was earned.
13 or so "paid holidays"
as well as 3 "floating" holidays....which many use as additional "vacation days"....this makes it very easy for people to take off days to observe the more "obscure" holidays that are not normally observed (Ramadan, St. Patty's Day, Boxing day, etc..etc...)
sick days? hmmm....I think it's 5. But, many times, if, like in the afternoon Iam not feeling so hot, and not being "productive" because of that....I just go home....and, i don't bother with filing the paperwork.....
I have only taken ONE "Mental Health" day in the almost 5 years I have worked here......ha ha ha ha ha
My last job had 10 days (80 hours) of PTO.....and that's it.....if you got severely sick at the beginning of the year (like my boss did one year), then, there goes any hopes of taking a vacation that summer (unless you wanted it "unpaid")......i think the way PTO is set up, it ENCOURAGES people to come to work SICK.......
Not sure how much RELEVANT/INDUSTRY/JOB RELATED experience you have, but, if you have significant experience (10+ years worth), many companies will take that into consideration, and allow you to start off with accruing more vacation time, than the typical "new" employee. For instance, instead of 10 vacation days (for 1-4 years of service), you could probably get 15 vacation days (and accrue it at the rate of someone who has 5-9 years of service).
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RE: need quick response-full time employees - 8/19/2008 4:33:56 PM
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blessedinnyc
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ORIGINAL: imforlife
I can deal with 2 weeks vacation, but one is pushing it as my job is a fast burn out type.
Thanks for your input. I start next Monday.
Indeed. Some of the guys in the business section where I work pull 80-90 hour weeks. And aside from the gaming world, this is perhaps the hardest-working industry for programmers to be in.
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10 paid "vacation days"/2 weeks (accrual rate of 6.67 hours per month....vacation can be taken at ANY time....whether it is already "accrued" or not)....you are EXPECTED to use your vacation time during the year it was earned.
13 or so "paid holidays"
as well as 3 "floating" holidays....which many use as additional "vacation days"....this makes it very easy for people to take off days to observe the more "obscure" holidays that are not normally observed (Ramadan, St. Patty's Day, Boxing day, etc..etc...)
My whole thing is that I would love unpaid vacations- for me, they would come guilt-free. I wouldn't have to worry about the work I wasn't getting done but getting paid for. I'm not particularly rich, especially by NYC standards, but I live within my means well enough to be able to miss a few weeks pay every year and still save enough for retirement.
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Not sure how much RELEVANT/INDUSTRY/JOB RELATED experience you have, but, if you have significant experience (10+ years worth), many companies will take that into consideration, and allow you to start off with accruing more vacation time, than the typical "new" employee. For instance, instead of 10 vacation days (for 1-4 years of service), you could probably get 15 vacation days (and accrue it at the rate of someone who has 5-9 years of service).
One of my friends at another firm in NYC gets six weeks off every year- straight out of college. I am not sure how much of this time he would actually get to exercise, but I'm still jealous.
Again, I'd love it even more if I got six weeks unpaid time off. ZERO guilt, ZERO worries. Zilch. Nada. They're not paying me, so they're only expecting 46 weeks of work this year.
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RE: need quick response-full time employees - 8/19/2008 5:50:11 PM
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kernsfamily
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My whole thing is that I would love unpaid vacations- for me, they would come guilt-free. I wouldn't have to worry about the work I wasn't getting done but getting paid for.
But, in the entire package, you EARNED that "paid" vacation.
I have no guilt.
Using ALL my vacation time is REQUIRED here....and, I just make sure that when I leave for a week/10 days for vacation, that everything that needs attention is properly delegated....and, don't have to worry about a thing
In my 5 years of working here, my assistant has ALWAYS had my cellphone number (which she is free to call me on vacation....if necessary)....and, she NEVER has.
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RE: need quick response-full time employees - 8/20/2008 10:38:35 PM
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rgod
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quote:
In your full time job:
How many sick days?
How many vacations? (how long)
How many paid holidays?
How long have you been at your job?
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When I worked for a contracting company:
Sick Days/Vacation: 19 (this is combined - no separate sick and vacation days) - I started with 14, then over 10 years of working with them, I worked my way up to 19. This was ok, but not stellar for the industry. No snow days (regardless of the weather or how much snow).
Holidays: 9 (all federal holidays with the exception of columbus and veterans day - but we got the day after thanksgiving off)
Length of time: 10 years
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When I worked for the government my benefits varied based how long I worked there:
Length of time: Less than 3 years - Sick Days: 13 days a year, Vacation: 13 days a year
Length of time: 3 - 15 years - Sick Days: 13 days a year, Vacation: 19.5 days a year
Length of time: 15 + years - Sick Days: 13 days a year, Vacation: 26 days a year
From day one, you get 10 paid holidays (New Year, Martin Luther King Jr., President/Washington, Memorial, Independence, Labor, Columbus, Veterans, Thanksgiving, Christmas) - sick leave can accrue without any cap - you can accrue up to 240 hours of vacation time per year. Plus, if the government closes, you get administrative days - and supervisors are authorized to give you an extra hour off if they want to (usually the day before a holiday).
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RE: need quick response-full time employees - 8/25/2008 2:47:41 PM
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hjemerson
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I remember those days Now I just wish we had any of those benfits! We return to school. thinking we would work full time in the minst, But things did not work out (Most church do not have benfits for the staff as we now know!)t so now any benfits would be nice , Never hurts to ask but in these day it may be just go to hold on to the job till things turn better,
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