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resurrection - 4/16/2008 2:07:37 PM
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eligirl123
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Ive been reading on the resurrection. The page I was reading said that the jewish temple will be built, 3 years later (or something like that) the antichrist will take it over. Now if (as they say) Jesus will not come till after the temple is built, wont most cristians be killed by the antichrist along that time period.
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RE: resurrection - 4/16/2008 6:53:13 PM
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cybrjewls
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Greetings! The building of the Temple of God at Jerusalem will take years to complete, if done properly. Also, it can stand for centuries before the antichrist appears to confirm a covenant for the last 7 years of the rule of the gentile nations before Christ comes in The Millennium. The 10 worldwide leaders that will arise will have governing authority over the whole earth. Three of these rulers will be subdued by him and will rise through the ranks to gain his position among the other 7 making 8 as it is written: the beast from the earth is an eighth king. He will cause the law to be changed and will force everyone to receive the mark of the beast and perform miraculous signs and wonders even causing fire to fall from heaven. The true people of God will become Martyrs and were instructed by Christ not to go into the cities; for there they would be obviously found out as not having the mark and they cannot buy or sell anything there anyway. This calls for patient endurance and faithfullness on the part of the saints.
He will make war on the saints of God Most High and will have power to conquer numerous believers worldwide. Anyone who overcomes this trial will have their place with Christ and be declared priest to serve Him for one thousand years in the Millennium Reign of Jesus at Jerusalem.
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Ive been reading on the resurrection. The page I was reading said that the jewish temple will be built, 3 years later (or something like that) the antichrist will take it over. Now if (as they say) Jesus will not come till after the temple is built, wont most cristians be killed by the antichrist along that time period.
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RE: resurrection - 4/17/2008 12:16:36 AM
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Retrobyter
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Ive been reading on the resurrection. The page I was reading said that the jewish temple will be built, 3 years later (or something like that) the antichrist will take it over. Now if (as they say) Jesus will not come till after the temple is built, wont most cristians be killed by the antichrist along that time period.
Shalom, eligirl123!
There are differences of opinion in the fulfillment of the prophecies. The whole "seven years of tribulation" concept, based on the 70th "Week" of years found in Daniel 9, I reject.
I believe that a proper understanding of the last four verses of Daniel 9 give us a different scenario:
The first three and a half years were before the Messiah was "cut off," i.e., His ministry from His Immersion to His Death. The last three and a half years will be after the "times of the Goyim (Gentiles)." Thus, IMO, there are only three and a half years of "tribulation" left! The Second Coming with the Rapture of the saints immediately preceding it is predicted as the Rescue of Isra'el, in particular those who are being oppressed and persecuted in Yerushalayim (Jerusalem). It will be a time of attempted genocide! Isra'el's neighbors will be trying to exterminate the Jews! When they cry out to God with the words, "Baruwk haba' b'shem YHVH!" translated "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the LORD" and means "Welcome is he who comes on the authority of YHVH," THEN the Messiah Yeshua` (the Christ Jesus) will return and rescue His people. This He predicted in Matthew 23:37-39.
Matt 23:37-39
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
KJV
Immediately after this, Yeshua` gives the "Olivet Discourse" in which He predicts the end times events: Matt. 24 & 25, Mark 13, and Luke 21.
Notice the careful wording of verse 38. This is the fulfillment of Dani'el's prophecy in Dan. 9. Thus, HE is the one who "desolates" Isra'el! Nevertheless, it is not so much He who desolates them and they do it to themselves!
Furthermore, although Yechezk'el (Ezekiel) does predict a future Temple, the desecration of the Temple, IMO, was forced by the death of Yeshua`s broken body. When He died, the veil in the Temple was ripped from the top to the bottom, a formidable task for any one human being! Thus, with His death completing the only Sacrifice needed from then on, GOD no longer accepted animal sacrifices to take away sin. HE was the One who "caused the sacrifice and the oblation to cease!" The overspreading of abominations that caused them to be desolate was, IMO, the REJECTION of Yeshua` as their Messiah.
Antichrist is not a person; it is a SPIRIT, an ATTITUDE! Furthermore, specifically, it is the attitude that says that Yeshua` was not the Messiah coming in the flesh! That's not to say there isn't a "man of sin" or a "man of lawlessness" (one who refuses to keep the Torah), and that's not to say that there isn't a "beast" in Revelation 13 that comes up out of the sea. It's just wrong to call these the "Antichrist."
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God will never abolish His Torah; He merely sent His Son to COMPLETE it so we aren't FORCED to keep it! (It's still a good idea, however.)
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RE: resurrection - 4/17/2008 6:19:00 AM
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meerkat
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Retrobyter,
I agree with you on the 3 and half years being between the time that Jesus started his ministry and his death (messiah cut off) I have also heard that the other 3 and half years was immediately after Jesus death til when Stephen was stoned and then the gospel was then delivered to the gentiles, before the stoning of Stephen the gospel was only preached to the Jews.
I am of the opinion that the great tribulation started @ 70AD and will continue right up until Jesus second coming. I am also of the opinion that there is not going to a rapture. The first resurrection, of the elect, happens when Jesus comes.
I have just noticed that in Lukes "Olivet Discourse" it starts at verse 8 giving the signs of the nearing end then at verse 12 Jesus says "But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
I think this is what happened prior to 70AD and continues til verse 24 when he says that Jerusalem will be trodden underfoot of the gentiles.
If you match the accounts in Matt and Mark the abomination of desolation is the Roman army surrounding the city and Jesus warns them to flee and then immediately after that great tribulation continuing til the coming of Jesus.
Also just read on Wikipedia that Ezekiels vision predates the second temple. I would have thought that since Jesus has done away with sacrifice and that believers are the body of Christ and the temple of God that rebuilding a third temple would be an abomination in itself.
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